The Daily ITK Discussion Thread 23rd July

mil1lion · Jul 23, 2018

So now we're looking at Cook, our window is really starting to heat up now :cautious:

Flashspur · Jul 23, 2018

Wondered how long before Cook would come on the radar. If you are talking potential of HG players I think he looks the best HG prospect at the moment.

guy · Jul 23, 2018

Can't say I'm too surprised by the onomah news. He's never shown a glimpse of anything special in the many appearances he made in the First team IMO. To me he has never looked like the type to really impose himself enough

felmani26 · Jul 23, 2018

Trix said:
But no where near as much as our coaching staff.

Not every decision made is purely down to ability and performance on the pitch.

The same coaching staff who deemed it necessary to spunk £30m on Sissoko rather than playing and developing a kid who's potentially a real star?

Let's not pretend our coaching staff are infallible here - certainly when it comes to promoting youth.

George94 · Jul 23, 2018

Aren't Lewis Cook and Harry Winks very similar in terms of playing style?

tiger666 · Jul 23, 2018

George94 said:
Aren't Lewis Cook and Harry Winks very similar in terms of playing style?

I'm sure we have room for both.

George94 · Jul 23, 2018

tiger666 said:
I'm sure we have room for both.

True, seeing as poor Harry Winks seems to be unlucky with injuries

Trix · Jul 23, 2018

felmani26 said:
The same coaching staff who deemed it necessary to spunk £30m on Sissoko rather than playing and developing a kid who's potentially a real star?

Let's not pretend our coaching staff are infallible here - certainly when it comes to promoting youth.

I'm not saying they are infallible.

Name me one we have released/sold off in the last ten years that has gone on to prove them wrong though. In fact go back further if you like who was the last youngster we moved on that went on to be a star.

BTN1 · Jul 23, 2018

dovahkiin said:
was this posted? from late last night
ali z on toby: Only wants to stay as nobody wants to pay him what he thinks his worth, in addition he needs a change of attitude if he does stay as he acted very disrespectful to Poch, not over finances but can't/won't reveal unless he goes. He did not act professionally and if it was me there would be no way back but I am not Poch.

Hmm I wonder what it was .... maybe he sent Poch a tape of him getting mugged off by Owen for THAT goal ?

topper · Jul 23, 2018

Trix said:
I'm not saying they are infallible.

Name me one we have released/sold off in the last ten years that has gone on to prove them wrong though. In fact go back further if you like who was the last youngster we moved on that went on to be a star.

You’re right- you have to back to Souness and he went of his own accord!

Lighty64 · Jul 23, 2018

thefierycamel said:
Both have far more potential than winks...with Edwards it seems to be attitude and numerous other more personal issues. With Josh it's being played out of position every single time he plays a senior game of football. He performs so well at CM for the England youth team, including at the world cup, but never gets a game there at senior level. It's just mismanagement imo. I'd be pissed off if we sold him to villa as part of the Grealish deal. Josh is by far the more talented footballer, especially at CM.

with Edwards he has had advice and not adhered to it, perhaps the mini Messi comment went to his head, and started to feel he was a billy big bollocks instead of working hard enough.

with Josh playing in CM in an under 21 WC is nowhere near the same as a PL match. I'm sure Poch would of tried him there in practice matches, and he failed to step up (opinion).

At the moment we have hit the heights of being a top 3 club for 3 consecutive years, and are now in the process of giving out new contracts. to win even a domestic cup we need a strong squad and also need fully committed players that can step up if we need to rotate, and if Poch feels both are not ready to take that step, then the club needs to make sacrifices.

Sandro30 · Jul 23, 2018

Insomnia said:
I'd wager Windy has seen him play shed loads more than you Eddie

With the greatest of respects to Windy, the man said that Carroll would’ve been the same level as Eriksen (when we bought Eriksen) if Carroll was at Ajax. There is a reason he is a fan and not part of any clubs decision making in youth football.

he is you know! · Jul 23, 2018

Insomnia said:
Onomah is one of the best talents our Youth set up has produced. Unfortunately , he hasn't been given the chance to play in his natural position, neither by Poch or at Villa.

If Onomah is getting sold, something has changed since I think it was Herc who said pre world cup, that he was coming back and would be in contention for a squad place or maybe that was more opinion... can't remember!

yido16 · Jul 23, 2018

Trix said:
I'm not saying they are infallible.

Name me one we have released/sold off in the last ten years that has gone on to prove them wrong though. In fact go back further if you like who was the last youngster we moved on that went on to be a star.

Graeme Souness lol

WiganSpur · Jul 23, 2018

At least the conversation appears to be switching to CM. Earlier in the window I was worried all we would do is sell and replace Toby and sign a bunch of AMs.

nailsy · Jul 23, 2018

Trix said:
I'm not saying they are infallible.

Name me one we have released/sold off in the last ten years that has gone on to prove them wrong though. In fact go back further if you like who was the last youngster we moved on that went on to be a star.

Probably Crouchy.

midoNdefoe · Jul 23, 2018

Trix said:
I'm not saying they are infallible.

Name me one we have released/sold off in the last ten years that has gone on to prove them wrong though. In fact go back further if you like who was the last youngster we moved on that went on to be a star.

Beckham

Sandro30 · Jul 23, 2018

Trix said:
I'm not saying they are infallible.

Name me one we have released/sold off in the last ten years that has gone on to prove them wrong though. In fact go back further if you like who was the last youngster we moved on that went on to be a star.

Stars I get your point but there are plenty of serviceable players the past few years who could’ve done the same job as the punts like N’Jie, N’Koudou, Llorente etc who ended up costing the club what £40m? Veljkovic, Berchiche, Falque all did relatively well once departing. Townsend arguably would’ve done a better job than the two N’s.

I don’t think anyone was singing from the rooftops saying O’Shea, Richardson, Brown etc were brilliant when they were supplementing the United side under Fergie but they saved the club money and maintained the club ethos in the side/squad.

James 23 · Jul 23, 2018

ToDarrenIsToDo said:
Dembele & Sissoko out, Grealish & Cook in. How would people feel about that?

Totally underwhelmed TBH !, on second thoughts getting rid of Sissoko would be cause for celebration alone !

db1 · Jul 23, 2018

So we're trying to win the league but looking at the likes of Cook and Grealish. Cool. I'm happy with us not challenging and love the exciting team but don't tell us we're looking at challenging.

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