Player Watch: Hugo Lloris

Johnny J · Aug 24, 2018

glospur said:
Fucking hell, can always rely on people to completely fucking over react on here.

Perhaps we should be waiting for some more details, especially regarding how far he was over the legal limit, before we say he should have the captaincy stripped or that he should be stood down from the team. There's a big difference between having one too many glasses of red and miscalculating and being 15 pints deep and driving home after a night spent clubbing.

Not according to the law there isn't. Drink driving is inexcusable. There's literally no defence. "Miscalculating" can get people killed just as much as deliberately going over the limit.

It's baffling that people are somehow trying to defend it.

Indacupfortottenham · Aug 24, 2018

What a wally, glad no one was hurt.
Hope he has learned a valuable lesson.

Johnny J · Aug 24, 2018

BringBack_leGin said:
it’s sad that this has happened but I hope it’s now dealt with in the best way.

And what would that be?

Flashp · Aug 24, 2018

Rout-Ledge said:
I couldn’t disagree more strongly with this comment.

Well by all means elaborate then.

werty · Aug 24, 2018

nidge said:
I am honestly very surprised by the some what casual response to drink driving in this thread. Do people really believe it's ok to be even just a little bit over the limit?

Some people will defend players/coaches/whoever from anything if they think the possible repercussions will hurt the team on the pitch.

nattydredd · Aug 24, 2018

Drink driving, there are NO excuses whatsoever in my book. Countless lives have been wrecked, countless families destroyed because of it. For someone like him to get get caught, it's even more galling. He's the captain of our team FFS and one of the senior pro's who the youngsters look upto.

He deserves what he gets, whatever that may be.

spursfan77 · Aug 24, 2018

samspurs92 said:
Obviously he’s been a complete prat but I won’t throw him under the bus until we know the facts.

1 pint can sometimes put you over the limit depending on the person and beer.

Don't have that pint and get behind the wheel then or get a taxi. Its not difficult. Not having a go at you by the way, just stating the obvious answer.

lunde1 · Aug 24, 2018

A disgrace and not what I expect from a role model and our captain. Idiot

vicbob · Aug 24, 2018

Johnny J said:
And what would that be?

By whatever the law decides.

He strikes me as a decent chap. who has been exemplary in his behavior since he has been with us. Let him take his punishment, learn from his mistake. If the club feel they need to punish him further then that's an internal issue and I doubt Hugo will argue much against it. Lets get the full facts first.

Primativ · Aug 24, 2018

I'm sorry but anyone making excuses for Lloris need to give their heads a wobble.

Absolutely no need to drink and drive, the guy is a multimillionaire. Get an Uber, leave your car wherever it is and pay the 20 pound car parking charge the next day, simply no excuses.

The last person you'd expect to do this, what an idiot. I don't see how he can continue as club captain really.

spursfan77 · Aug 24, 2018

yankspurs said:
Having a lot of money made it easy to not drive drunk as you can have a chauffer drive you around. Technology has made it so easy for normal people to not drive drunk. Insanely easy, in fact. Footballers and very wealthy people have both options available to them. Yet they will still drive drunk. Really baffling.

I agree but its probably their arrogance in thinking they are different from other people.

thecook · Aug 24, 2018

Too soon to think about a t-shirt?

Seriously, if he is guilty, as it appears he is for such an easy to prove offence, then a public apology from Hugo, statement from the club condemning drink driving and stripping him of the captaincy for the rest of the season will be punishment enough (on top of whatever conviction he receives).

coys200 · Aug 24, 2018

Streetspur77 said:
“If you disagree with me on this hugely subjective issue then you don’t have as much understanding as I do”

If you think drink driving is a subjective issue you need to reassess your life.

glospur · Aug 24, 2018

MyNameIsNicolaBerti said:
I never have and never will get behind the wheel of a car after even one drink. I know people who have lost loved ones through drinking driving. I have zero tolerance for it, technical limit or otherwise. The safety of others is paramount in my opinion.

Johnny J said:
Not according to the law there isn't. Drink driving is inexcusable. There's literally no defence. "Miscalculating" can get people killed just as much as deliberately going over the limit.

It's baffling that people are somehow trying to defend it.

The law allows you to drive with alcohol in your system, but there is a limit, and given that it is a limit that can be managed by tracking your alcohol consumption it is an easy limit to miscalculate given how many variables there are in how alcohol can affect different people.

Anyway, I meant to multiquote both of you in the following post, so here is my response to what you're saying:

glospur said:
Yeah nah. I'm not sure of the details of the law in the UK, but in Australia we have a legal limit of 0.05 blood alcohol content when driving. You're fine if you're 0.05, but if you slightly miscalculate and end up as 0.06 when tested you can receive fines and points on your licence. Practically, there is very little difference between 0.06 and 0.05 when it comes to the physiological changes to your reactions, perception etc, yet if you're on one of those numbers you're fine, and if not, you're fucked. "massively increase the risk of you seriously injuring or killing either yourself or other people" is massively overstating it.

People who are 15 pints in, for the most part, might be less inclined to drive, but they also have significantly lower inhibitions and ability to identify risk, so in certain incidents may not even realise the risk of drink driving at all, particularly for short journeys. They're also significantly more impaired than someone who is just over the limit, so while there will be fewer people to drive when this drunk, they're the ones who will cause the most damage because they're the most impaired.

Personally, I'm in favour of a legal limit of 0 and trust me, I know the dangers of drink driving. My father and a brother of mine were both killed in single vehicle car accidents when drink driving. But regardless of what the limit is, there will always be those who drive when above it. And of those people, there is a significant difference in those who misjudge how much they've had when the law allows you to drive with X amount of alcohol in your system, and those who know they're over but are willfully endangering life.

That's why we should wait for more details before blanket condemning him. If he was blind drunk, then absolutely he should be reprimanded, and severely so, but he shouldn't be punished for miscalculating while trying to stay in the limits of the law.

Primativ · Aug 24, 2018

vicbob said:
By whatever the law decides.

He strikes me as a decent chap. who has been exemplary in his behavior since he has been with us. Let him take his punishment, learn from his mistake. If the club feel they need to punish him further then that's an internal issue and I doubt Hugo will argue much against it. Lets get the full facts first.

With all due respect, what full facts do we need to wait for? He was breathalysed and was over the limit in the early morning after a night out, no doubt they took his reading at the station again where he was still over the limit and subsequently charged. There isn't any grey area about this, he's over the limit, charged and will now appear in court and will be punished, There isn't any mitigating circumstances we need to wait for which somehow makes it acceptable for Lloris to be driving whilst over the limit.

CowInAComa · Aug 24, 2018

glospur said:
Fucking hell, can always rely on people to completely fucking over react on here.

Perhaps we should be waiting for some more details, especially regarding how far he was over the legal limit, before we say he should have the captaincy stripped or that he should be stood down from the team. There's a big difference between having one too many glasses of red and miscalculating and being 15 pints deep and driving home after a night spent clubbing.

No.

One too many red wines is as much a criminal offence as 15 pints.

Strip him of captaincy is the correct response.

Johnny J · Aug 24, 2018

glospur said:
The law allows you to drive with alcohol in your system, but there is a limit, and given that it is a limit that can be managed by tracking your alcohol consumption it is an easy limit to miscalculate given how many variables there are in how alcohol can affect different people.

Anyway, I meant to multiquote both of you in the following post, so here is my response to what you're saying:

That's all true but it's still not a defence. If you drink anything and then drive, you're taking a risk, for yourself and on behalf of others.

BringBack_leGin · Aug 24, 2018

Johnny J said:
And what would that be?

How the hell should I know, I’ve never a) had an employee who committed a crime or b) run a billion £ organisation,

But I like that you’re trying to get me to give you something to argue with, it shows how much you think about me, I feel special.

Saoirse · Aug 24, 2018

vicbob said:
By whatever the law decides.

He strikes me as a decent chap. who has been exemplary in his behavior since he has been with us. Let him take his punishment, learn from his mistake. If the club feel they need to punish him further then that's an internal issue and I doubt Hugo will argue much against it. Lets get the full facts first.

What full facts? He was drunk, driving, at 2am. We're not even talking about a scenario where he'd drunk the night before and was still inadvertently over the limit, which would be bad enough. If you've been out, had a drink, and are still out at 2am, you KNOW you may well be over the limit. I cannot think of a single excuse or fact that could possibly mitigate that.

Metalhead · Aug 24, 2018

Totally inexcusable to be over the limit and the club would be totally within their rights, if they felt that an employee had let them down to take appropriate action.

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