The Mauricio Pochettino thread

Frozen_Waffles · Oct 29, 2018

thfc1973 said:
Poch - as great a manager he is, is still so so poor compared to Pep and Klopp. Game plan should change the moment we go ahead in the CL when we need to grind a result out. And for 1 reason or another we are totally incapable of doing that.
Blame Levy for not getting players, but blame Poch for not having good in-game tactics and a plan.
I am still going to say I would so love to have a manager like Conte in charge. So much more thought process with Conte, so much more passion. (Poch has lost it). So much more planning and preparation with Conte I feel.
I read an article today where Poch was asked if you had learnt lessons of Inter game and if he had spoken to them about the lessons and he said NO. It happens in football.
Sums it all up for me with Poch. He's like a goldfish now. He makes the same mistakes, gets upset. then repeats the next time again.
He is incapable of learning, he is incapable of planning and changing tactics based on current play and flow of game and he is incapable of screaming the mistakes to the players to ensure they don't make the same mistakes again and again.

I feel that he is a great manager to bring a team up.. but when that team reaches a certain level (like ours) he's shit. He has no idea how to get them up to the next level. He thinks the same routine will work. he thinks being pally pally and mates with his arm around them still works and that top players don't need reminding, coaching and screaming at. WRONG!!!
Pep still teaches top players, still corrects top players, Pepe still screams at his players and still reminds top players every single game. I'm fairly certain Klopp does it too, maybe not to the extent Pep does but he does do it. Whereas Poch seems to have lack that. And I don't think its something he will ever attain like elite managers.

I think it may be getting to the point where we are regressing, this is the most worrying thing. Every season we have been improving, however this season it doesn't feel like it.

Poch has done a fantastic job but his development of youth seems to have stopped (one of the pillars of our club)

I still feel we will not win a trophy with Poch in charge.

Possibly the most worrying of all is his continued support of sissoko, which I have a suspicion that he may be doing it just to annoy levy.

People are always comparing him with SAF, where as I think Wenger would be a better comparison. SAF changed consistently through his time there, adapted. Has poch done that?

I am not saying he should go, not at all. I still believe, but with the Madrid and united situations atm it would seem a good time for him to change if he is annoyed with the club.

SpartanSpur · Oct 29, 2018

I've lost a level of love and interest in Spurs this season due to the stadium issues and non-existent transfer window. The disappointment has permeated throughout the whole club, and this interview shows that it has affected the coaching and playing staff too. Can't say I'm surprised. It may be why regardless of our points total the quality of football still hasn't been up to our recent standards (WC hasn't helped there TBF).

We know Poch hates being criticised as if he's competing on equal terms with the rest of the top six. I totally get that and think it's fair.

Levy and ENIC are happy to throw all the money we have into the stadium because it raises the club's value, whereas in the transfer market they are always coming up short/unlucky, with endless excuses. Yes we all benefit from the new home and the income should help us compete, but it's coming because it's mutually beneficial IMHO, ENIC gets a big fat payday when they eventually sell up. Investing huge sums in players doesn't get ENIC anything.

Poch is only echoing the sentiment held by most of our fanbase. I don't think he has this outburst if he didn't still care however. He's not checked out or given up yet but the club need to do something to appease him soon, he won't stay forever. I'm 100% behind him here.

coys200 · Oct 29, 2018

Still think a lot of what he says gets lost in translation. But ultimately he is just saying what everyone else is thinking especially about start to the season. We’ve lost 4 out of 13 games which is quite a high ratio for us. We aren’t playing particularly well. The shadow of the stadium and no signings. But yet the stats say it’s our best start to a PL season. Which makes it quite a confusing picture.

Shadydan · Oct 29, 2018

Frozen_Waffles said:
I think it may be getting to the point where we are regressing, this is the most worrying thing. Every season we have been improving, however this season it doesn't feel like it.

Poch has done a fantastic job but his development of youth seems to have stopped (one of the pillars of our club)

I still feel we will not win a trophy with Poch in charge.

Possibly the most worrying of all is his continued support of sissoko, which I have a suspicion that he may be doing it just to annoy levy.

People are always comparing him with SAF, where as I think Wenger would be a better comparison. SAF changed consistently through his time there, adapted. Has poch done that?

I am not saying he should go, not at all. I still believe, but with the Madrid and united situations atm it would seem a good time for him to change if he is annoyed with the club.

What do you mean the development of youth has stopped? Do you mean promoting youngsters to the first team (Winks, KWP) or playing them in the first 11, if you mean the latter then surely that makes winning trophies (something you bring up in your 2nd point) harder because they are currently not of the desired quality as a first teamer or a player who would push the first teamers?

Don't understand the Sissoko point either, why would he play a player who is not at the level of his first teamers just to annoy Levy, surely all he's doing is hurting himself and the team if that was the case?

Has Poch really had the backing to adapt, SAF could adapt and change his team because Utd were the richest team in the league and had the monopoly of any player, we're the 6th richest.

spursfan77 · Oct 29, 2018

Ghost Hardware said:
On the eve of a massive "home" game against the champions and with Lopetegui about to get the boot from a job he has constantly been linked. This was a deliberately timed move from him and one he knows speaks volumes. Poch wants to see immediate action from Levy and I'm sure Poch will continue to be more outspoken about his discontent if Levy continues to procrastinate on transfers.

Do we know when the words were said?

Primativ · Oct 29, 2018

SpartanSpur said:
I've lost a level of love and interest in Spurs this season due to the stadium issues and non-existent transfer window. The disappointment has permeated throughout the whole club, and this interview shows that it has affected the coaching and playing staff too. Can't say I'm surprised. It may be why regardless of our points total the quality of football still hasn't been up to our recent standards (WC hasn't helped there TBF).

We know Poch hates being criticised as if he's competing on equal terms with the rest of the top six. I totally get that and think it's fair.

Levy and ENIC are happy to throw all the money we have into the stadium because it raises the club's value, whereas in the transfer market they are always coming up short/unlucky, with endless excuses. Yes we all benefit from the new home and the income should help us compete, but it's coming because it's mutually beneficial IMHO, ENIC gets a big fat payday when they eventually sell up. Investing huge sums in players doesn't get ENIC anything.

Poch is only echoing the sentiment held by most of our fanbase. I don't think he has this outburst if he didn't still care however. He's not checked out or given up yet but the club need to do something to appease him soon, he won't stay forever. I'm 100% behind him here.

Completely agree. I've lost a lot of interest in Spurs this season. It just feels like momentum has been lost. The feeling around Spurs at the moment just doesn't feel good. I thought we were supposed to be starting a new project this season which is what Poch said in the summer but it didn't happen. No new signings remains unforgivable.

spursfan77 · Oct 29, 2018

SpartanSpur said:
I've lost a level of love and interest in Spurs this season due to the stadium issues and non-existent transfer window. The disappointment has permeated throughout the whole club, and this interview shows that it has affected the coaching and playing staff too. Can't say I'm surprised. It may be why regardless of our points total the quality of football still hasn't been up to our recent standards (WC hasn't helped there TBF).

We know Poch hates being criticised as if he's competing on equal terms with the rest of the top six. I totally get that and think it's fair.

Levy and ENIC are happy to throw all the money we have into the stadium because it raises the club's value, whereas in the transfer market they are always coming up short/unlucky, with endless excuses. Yes we all benefit from the new home and the income should help us compete, but it's coming because it's mutually beneficial IMHO, ENIC gets a big fat payday when they eventually sell up. Investing huge sums in players doesn't get ENIC anything.

Poch is only echoing the sentiment held by most of our fanbase. I don't think he has this outburst if he didn't still care however. He's not checked out or given up yet but the club need to do something to appease him soon, he won't stay forever. I'm 100% behind him here.

I havent. Im pissed off with both but lets be honest, there's been lower periods in our recent history. For example, under sherwood, I detested going to games but still went. I absolutely hated being a Spurs fan then because he was a constant embarrassment to the club every week saying something stupid or behaving like a prat.

I am glad Poch has come out and said this, but I expect he will be ignored by the chairman. Lets see what happens when its discussed tonight on MNF and if he's asked directly about the quotes by those in the studio. I think his reaction (I expect him to hide behind a laugh) will be telling.

mpickard2087 · Oct 29, 2018

GutBucket said:
Were Walker and Rose known for pressing before Pochettino? Or Eriksen? Or Kane? Pochettino will get who he can get and try to mold them into players who fit their system, I'm sure he would love to have Vidal, Kante, Kimmich etc but this club usually means plan B or C. Even Eriksen was just a plan B after the whole Willian fiasco. He wanted Wanyama and got him who is perfect for the system (when healthy). He wanted Schneiderlin and didn't get him or anyone like him, what quality control options were there? What if Levy didn't want to spend money on Toby, there was nobody else close in quality to him and Pochettino would have to settle for worse quality and hope he can improve that player. He can't absolve himself of all responsibility and he doesn't have to and he is not trying to do that.

Walker has always been able to cover ground and not afraid to put a foot in. Rose ditto, the only reason he made it as a 5ft midget at fullback is that he's always been a chippy, brave fucker (even when everyone slated him in his early days). That they played for a succession of tactical spastics, who couldn't even spell 'pressing', until Poch came along......

Eriksen learnt his craft at Ajax, who basically invented this style of play. Kane who knows as we didn't see enough of him beforehand, but that is exactly my point - we haven't even got a high workrate alternative which can be trusted and means we are now getting a Kane, picked every single minute of every single game, of diminishing returns as a result.

That is all getting away from my point though. If he's had the odd one or two of his first choices such as Toby or big Vic, then yes all has largely been good. It is the ones where we are forced to go for plan B, C, whatever...... Why have we ended up with all the trundlers and people who just cant perform to the style of play? At the very least we should have 20-22 players now (after nearly 5 seasons) who can press hard and offer a great intensity. These wider squad options, who can be trusted to be dropped in and spell a player eg. Kane, is what I was on about re. quality control. Poch should have at least a squad of the core fundamentals in place, and then he can start rightfully complaining about lack of extra quality and demand that is the next step. But when you've got gaps and players completely ill-suited to at least offer high energy and workrate, he has to share some of the scrutiny for that in my opinion.

I know I'm not going to change any minds, on 'Levy = 100% ****, Poch = 100% god', but.........

pablo73 · Oct 29, 2018

mpickard2087 said:
Still no excuse in my opinion. Even if he is stuck with cheaper alternatives, they should at least be ones who offer as a basic aggression, intensity, high energy, and can press. Otherwise he should have passed (as happened this summer.....).

It's up to the coach to ok players who fit his principles. Poch should do quality control better, and either him and his staff find the players themselves or he gets in someone(s) he trusts as an analyst/scout to identify the correct players that he can then run the rule over. But at the end of the day, he cant absolve himself of all responsibility.

I agree with some of that, we do seem to have got a long way from Poch's preferred pressing style of play which can't all be put down to player recruitment. However, you can't get a way from the fact that promises have clearly been broken and he is effectively being asked to do his job with one hand tied behind his back while all our competitors improve and move on. He's an ambitious guy, no wonder he's pissed off.

spursfan1991 · Oct 29, 2018

SpartanSpur said:
I've lost a level of love and interest in Spurs this season due to the stadium issues and non-existent transfer window. The disappointment has permeated throughout the whole club, and this interview shows that it has affected the coaching and playing staff too. Can't say I'm surprised. It may be why regardless of our points total the quality of football still hasn't been up to our recent standards (WC hasn't helped there TBF).

We know Poch hates being criticised as if he's competing on equal terms with the rest of the top six. I totally get that and think it's fair.

Levy and ENIC are happy to throw all the money we have into the stadium because it raises the club's value, whereas in the transfer market they are always coming up short/unlucky, with endless excuses. Yes we all benefit from the new home and the income should help us compete, but it's coming because it's mutually beneficial IMHO, ENIC gets a big fat payday when they eventually sell up. Investing huge sums in players doesn't get ENIC anything.

Poch is only echoing the sentiment held by most of our fanbase. I don't think he has this outburst if he didn't still care however. He's not checked out or given up yet but the club need to do something to appease him soon, he won't stay forever. I'm 100% behind him here.

Exactly to all of the above.

It doesnt help with the fact that we have allowed Liverpool to go ahead of us and have allowed Arsenal to catch up. This frustrating summer transfer window is not new under levy. He is either leaving things last minute, selling best players and replacing with poor quality or in this years case, didnt do anything. He is clearly an incredible businessman and but still doesnt seem to understand football or he is just happy for spurs to compete at the level they are.

Gilzeanking · Oct 29, 2018

mpickard2087 said:
Him and his coaching staff should be able to identify the right characteristics for those 6-8 wider squad players that are needed. If you cant buy further quality then they should at least be damn good at pressing and providing high energy, aggression and intensity,

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Yes , we have lost our intensity we've all seen it...I reckon Poch has realised that he's not able to motivate this group of players like he did . He's with the players and realises several want away now a nightmare situation in a team where as Toby famously said 'Without our effort we are just ordinary'

TheChosenOne · Oct 29, 2018

Peculiar that I was reading about Conte going to Madrid and even Jose Mourinho being enticed by Perez in Saturday's media shitstorm.

The media ffs.

SpartanSpur · Oct 29, 2018

spursfan77 said:
I havent. Im pissed off with both but lets be honest, there's been lower periods in our recent history. For example, under sherwood, I detested going to games but still went. I absolutely hated being a Spurs fan then because he was a constant embarrassment to the club every week saying something stupid or behaving like a prat.

I am glad Poch has come out and said this, but I expect he will be ignored by the chairman. Lets see what happens when its discussed tonight on MNF and if he's asked directly about the quotes by those in the studio. I think his reaction (I expect him to hide behind a laugh) will be telling.

Under Sherwood I almost checked out of football completely. That was worse - but right now things are amplified by missed opportunity.

I look at the love of Spurs like the love within a family, it'll never go away, but it's never going to be all roses all the time, they can still disappoint you and sometimes when that happens you just need space.

If was in a position to have a season ticket I'd still go and support the team - I still watch every game I can even on streams - but my passion and hunger for it just isn't there currently, which is what I was referring to.

GutBucket · Oct 29, 2018

mpickard2087 said:
Walker has always been able to cover ground and not afraid to put a foot in. Rose ditto, the only reason he made it as a 5ft midget at fullback is that he's always been a chippy, brave fucker (even when everyone slated him in his early days). That they played for a succession of tactical spastics, who couldn't even spell 'pressing', until Poch came along......

Eriksen learnt his craft at Ajax, who basically invented this style of play. Kane who knows as we didn't see enough of him beforehand, but that is exactly my point - we haven't even got a high workrate alternative which can be trusted and means we are now getting a Kane, picked every single minute of every single game, of diminishing returns as a result.

That is all getting away from my point though. If he's had the odd one or two of his first choices such as Toby or big Vic, then yes all has largely been good. It is the ones where we are forced to go for plan B, C, whatever...... Why have we ended up with all the trundlers and people who just cant perform to the style of play? At the very least we should have 20-22 players now (after nearly 5 seasons) who can press hard and offer a great intensity. These wider squad options, who can be trusted to be dropped in and spell a player eg. Kane, is what I was on about re. quality control. Poch should have at least a squad of the core fundamentals in place, and then he can start rightfully complaining about lack of extra quality and demand that is the next step. But when you've got gaps and players completely ill-suited to at least offer high energy and workrate, he has to share some of the scrutiny for that in my opinion.

I know I'm not going to change any minds, on 'Levy = 100% ****, Poch = 100% god', but.........

Everyone wanted to get rid of Rose, he was most hated player in the squad and running is different from pressing. Walker was never in the right position on the pitch and wasn't really pressing. Eriksen had 0 defensive/pressing responsibility at Ajax, even against top team in CL (like that game against City that he dominated).

And EVERY team has trundlers who can't perfrom the style of play. Strongest iteration of Bayern that dominated Europe couple of years back had some of them like Pizarro, Tymoschchuk , Shaqiri (not terrible bit didn't do pressing) and they had money to get anyone they wanted and coach who was supported by the club in transfer window. And Poch does have core fundamentals in place, that's why we made it to CL in all those seasons and why he is wanted by every top club. And again you are completely ignoring that it's not him who wanted some players and is literally right now complaining about GAPS in the squad.

Primativ · Oct 29, 2018

Many of us were slated on here for calling out Levy in the summer. I think now Poch has said it publicly, we can stop the spin and we can all admit the summer WAS a disaster. I am glad Poch has come out and said it, as it proves me correct at least and that my fears and worries were founded. Before Poch had said anything, we suspected all was not right, but we couldn't prove it. Now we can.

It's also clear the team are not the same this season, defensively we are at sea. The off field stuff is affecting the squad, that is for sure.

Unfortunately I see things getting worse before it gets better. On the basis of the season so far, I don't think we will get close to City, Chelsea or Liverpool this season. We will get a right stuffing from City tonight.

Levy needs to back Poch. I've always suspected Levy has never been 100% focused on winning games. He always proves it by failing to properly spend money on better players. I imagine he gets more excitement about upgrading the training ground than he does about 3 points.

Seeing Barkley start turning it on for Chelsea is annoying me now too. I really wanted him at Spurs, he was exactly what we needed. Why on earth we never went in for him, I just can't understand it. Again I sometimes feel that his injury was just a convenient excuse for Levy to not go in for the player.

mpickard2087 · Oct 29, 2018

People need to get a grip though I'd say. Lost interest after a few setbacks these last few months? Fucking hell. We're still, at worst, a Top 6 PL team. We could still be that after spending £300m, how competitive all the teams are currently.

If you wanted to lose hope or have your confidence shaken, you'd be a Sunderland fan plummeting down the football pyramid, or Newcastle caught in a never ending misery cycle, or Leicester given what happened at the weekend...... But a stadium delay, a couple of missed signings, and a stodgy start to the season?????

That sounds proper fair-weather and entitled. Jesus fucking Christ.

richard_gleeson · Oct 29, 2018

I love Poch, but we are miles away from winning anything. That last season at White Hart Lane was the best we've been in my opinion. Need some major signings to get back to that level.

Primativ · Oct 29, 2018

richard_gleeson said:
I love Poch, but we are miles away from winning anything. That last season at White Hart Lane was the best we've been in my opinion. Need some major signings to get back to that level.

Definitely.

mpickard2087 · Oct 29, 2018

GutBucket said:
Everyone wanted to get rid of Rose, he was most hated player in the squad and running is different from pressing. Walker was never in the right position on the pitch and wasn't really pressing. Eriksen had 0 defensive/pressing responsibility at Ajax, even against top team in CL (like that game against City that he dominated).

And EVERY team has trundlers who can't perfrom the style of play. Strongest iteration of Bayern that dominated Europe couple of years back had some of them like Pizarro, Tymoschchuk , Shaqiri (not terrible bit didn't do pressing) and they had money to get anyone they wanted and coach who was supported by the club in transfer window. And Poch does have core fundamentals in place, that's why we made it to CL in all those seasons and why he is wanted by every top club. And again you are completely ignoring that it's not him who wanted some players and is literally right now complaining about GAPS in the squad.

Rose and Walker have always demonstrated, even in their bad moments, the physical and mental ability to press. But that is going off on a tangent......

The rest is just pointing out that most (successful) clubs can get away with relying on 16 players or so for a few seasons and can neglect the rest of the squad. The problem Poch is facing now is that, due to extra factors such as injuries and the World Cup, his core group that has been so reliable he is now having to go outside of, in a lot of cases is reluctant to, and certain players are pretty close to being flogged to death. My mind isn't get changed on this though, I think there are areas of the squad where we haven't even got the fundamentals in place with the backups and that's not all down to not spending on quality.

daryl hannah · Oct 29, 2018

Absolute BS from Daily Mail

https://www.spurs-web.com/spurs-new...-levy-journalist-points-finger-at-pochettino/

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