The Banana incident

dimiSpur · Dec 4, 2018

Is it not racist to assume, without else, that a banana thrown on a playing field is (a) aimed at a black player and; (b) to assume that the person that threw the banana had in his mind, at that time, that in throwing the banana he was meaning to be racist? (i.e. associating being black with monkeys & bananas).

What if, for example, an orange had been thrown? Or is it all fruit?

Whilst questions have to be raised in such situations, I find it very wrong to immediately crucify someone who may have a perfectly good (and by good I mean not racist) explanation for his actions.

Edit: I've just realised I've got a Cyprus flag as my user photo - I'm not the dude who threw it!

CowInAComa · Dec 4, 2018

mark_2017 said:
This is it, do not bring a banana to a football because of its negative connotations. I'd never think to bring something like that to game.

'Do not bring a banana to a football'

Plato

dontcallme · Dec 4, 2018

dimiSpur said:
Is it not racist to assume, without else, that a banana thrown on a playing field is (a) aimed at a black player and; (b) to assume that the person that threw the banana had in his mind, at that time, that in throwing the banana he was meaning to be racist? (i.e. associating being black with monkeys & bananas).

What if, for example, an orange had been thrown? Or is it all fruit?

Whilst questions have to be raised in such situations, I find it very wrong to immediately crucify someone who may have a perfectly good (and by good I mean not racist) explanation for his actions.

Edit: I've just realised I've got a Cyprus flag as my user photo - I'm not the dude who threw it!

I think when a certain action has such a racist history people are going to think it is a racist act.

There are still incidents of people throwing bananas at black people as a racist taunt.

People need to stop being so fucking dumb.

Throwing objects at players is not passion, it is just wrong.

Knowing basic history means throwing bananas at players is going to leave you to accusations.

cider spurs · Dec 4, 2018

I dunno, these Premier league North London derbies at the Emirates. Always seem to be our Banana skin of late.

dimiSpur · Dec 4, 2018

mark_2017 said:
This is it, do not bring a banana to a football because of its negative connotations. I'd never think to bring something like that to game.

That's ridiculous. You should't take a banana because it might be negatively construed by someone looking to be offended? I cannot agree with that. I think it better to just refrain from throwing it on to the pitch.

worcestersauce · Dec 4, 2018

Geyzer Soze said:
McDonald’s cheeseburgers

I could eat 400 McDonald’s cheeseburgers no sweat

Not me, I'm never doing that again.

dimiSpur · Dec 4, 2018

dontcallme said:
I think when a certain action has such a racist history people are going to think it is a racist act.

There are still incidents of people throwing bananas at black people as a racist taunt.

People need to stop being so fucking dumb.

Throwing objects at players is not passion, it is just wrong.

Knowing basic history means throwing bananas at players is going to leave you to accusations.

I agree, and I would never do it. Neither would I ever throw any object on to a pitch. No one has condoned throwing objects on to the pitch as part of being passionate.

Whilst I can understand how someone might throw something at a player that is taunting them, like a coin or a lighter, given the general mob mentality that goes with being in a crowd, I think it's very wrong and shouldn't be done.

And whilst I agree throwing a banana on to the pitch is going to cause questions, my point is that this guy threw what in his mind was the nearest thing to him, at Bellerin, and the headlines were "Racist Spurs fan throws banana at Aubameyang". That cannot be right and the media have to be more responsible.

Syn_13 · Dec 4, 2018

dontcallme said:
I think when a certain action has such a racist history people are going to think it is a racist act.

There are still incidents of people throwing bananas at black people as a racist taunt.

People need to stop being so fucking dumb.

Throwing objects at players is not passion, it is just wrong.

Knowing basic history means throwing bananas at players is going to leave you to accusations.

If I were stupid enough, and that much of **** to throw something at a footballer (particularly when a mixed race or black guy is involved, be it the target himself or standing in the group that the target is part of) a banana is the very last thing I'd throw. Even if there's no racial intent it will be construed as such. Just a stupid thing to do in the first place.

14/04/91 · Dec 4, 2018

southlondonyiddo said:
Dier got a yellow for inciting the crowd and the scum got sweet fa for far worse

Where is Dier supposed to celebrate scoring a goal down that end surrounded by scum supporters?

Bellerin, Aubameyang were much worse, lucky it was only a banana! Darts in the old days

and Lichtsteiner actually started the whole thing but got away scott-free. By confronting Dier, he essentially entered the field of play as a substitute so should've received a caution.

mark87 · Dec 4, 2018

dimiSpur said:
That's ridiculous. You should't take a banana because it might be negatively construed by someone looking to be offended? I cannot agree with that. I think it better to just refrain from throwing it on to the pitch.

Of course it's ridiculous, I wouldn't get offended by something like that, but it's the world we live in now where it's almost fashionable to be offended by something.

GMI · Dec 4, 2018

Spurrific said:
What can you eat 400 of without doing serious damage? I reckon 400 jelly beans would kill you too

I can eat 400 hard boiled eggs.

They call me Luke.

worcestersauce · Dec 4, 2018

Syn_13 said:
If I were stupid enough, and that much of **** to throw something at a footballer (particularly when a mixed race or black guy is involved, be it the target himself or standing in the group that the target is part of) a banana is the very last thing I'd throw. Even if there's no racial intent it will be construed as such. Just a stupid thing to do in the first place.

I think the last thing I would throw might be a bit more dangerous than that, a coin or a golf ball or even a bottle but I get why you are saying what you are saying.

dimiSpur · Dec 4, 2018

mark_2017 said:
Of course it's ridiculous, I wouldn't get offended by something like that, but it's the world we live in now where it's almost fashionable to be offended by something.

Well that's their problem. If me eating a banana at a football match offends someone, I don't care. Offence is taken, not given. If someone gets offended by the most ridiculous things in the world, because it's fashionable or because he's mentally unstable, that doesn't mean I have to alter my life and what I want to do, just because he's a fucktard.

dontcallme · Dec 4, 2018

dimiSpur said:
I agree, and I would never do it. Neither would I ever throw any object on to a pitch. No one has condoned throwing objects on to the pitch as part of being passionate.

Whilst I can understand how someone might throw something at a player that is taunting them, like a coin or a lighter, given the general mob mentality that goes with being in a crowd, I think it's very wrong and shouldn't be done.

And whilst I agree throwing a banana on to the pitch is going to cause questions, my point is that this guy threw what in his mind was the nearest thing to him, at Bellerin, and the headlines were "Racist Spurs fan throws banana at Aubameyang". That cannot be right and the media have to be more responsible.

The media should be more responsible but they never will be.

Accept them as a low denominator and ignore them and people who respond to them.

As a person of average intelligence I simply accept that certain actions will get you in trouble so I don’t do them and usually have little sympathy for those who do.

worcestersauce · Dec 4, 2018

Can I slice my banana up and take it in a tuppaware box?

dontcallme · Dec 4, 2018

worcestersauce said:
Can I slice my banana up and take it in a tuppaware box?

As long as you share it and don’t throw it at people.

Archibald&Crooks · Dec 4, 2018

Malaka

midoNdefoe · Dec 4, 2018

Phomesy said:
Well, yes, I'm not a fan myself really but they are high in fibre and rich in potassium and if I could get my kids to eat them rather than fucking nutella I'd feel much better about myself as a parent and human being.

Don't let them fuck the nutella, please!

Jeez, people let their kids get away with anything nowadays...

dimiSpur · Dec 4, 2018

dontcallme said:
The media should be more responsible but they never will be.

Accept them as a low denominator and ignore them and people who respond to them.

As a person of average intelligence I simply accept that certain actions will get you in trouble so I don’t do them and usually have little sympathy for those who do.

I agree, that's why I don't hurl bananas at people, irrespective of motives! However settling for "well, that's how our media is" is a lazy and poor excuse, because it's the media who are capable of inciting a range of emotions.

Let's suppose that in our next match, our fans are confronted by other fans for being "racist" and a fight breaks out. Will that not be due to the inaccuracy of the media coverage, jumping to conclusions? The problem with "mobs" is that the actions, or alleged actions, of one individual is generalised to include the whole mob. So now, some will go around thinking that Spurs fans are racist. That is inherently wrong and due to the media headlines.

dagraham · Dec 4, 2018

Why not combine a love of origami and throwing things at people in a harmless way?

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