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RichieS

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Wheeler Dealer said:
I think our current pattern of play doesn't suit Wanyama or Dembele, as we are far more fluid and quicker with moving the ball forward without these two. Coupled with Sissoko's fantastic transformation into a all round midfield dynamo, we now look a very well balanced unit.
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I look forward to the further option(s) that a fit and firing again Wanyama could bring next season. I don't think we have anyone else who can "seek and destroy" quite like him (although Sissoko is now getting pretty close).
 
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RichieS said:
I look forward to the further option(s) that a fit and firing again Wanyama could bring next season. I don't think we have anyone else who can "seek and destroy" quite like him (although Sissoko is now getting pretty close).
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Vic was great a couple of season back when we fell short to Leicester. I think we and other teams have improved since then and Vic albeit decent, ain't the answer to us improving upon what we already have.
 
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So much rubbish spoken about last summer. The type of player we are now looking for is of the highest quality and is therefore the very hardest to actually get. We could easily have signed three or four players but none would have been better than we already had.
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You're correct that it's difficult to upgrade our first team, but I find it difficult to accept that we cannot find replacements for squad players like Dembele, who is on his last legs and has had fitness issues for a while, and the seemingly broken Wanyama, who has only played a handful of games in the last year. Sure it may be difficult to offload them, but I'd like to think we're looking to eventually replace them with fitter players who can actually contribute. Perhaps long term Skipp can replace one in which case we still need another.
 
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allatsea said:
So much rubbish spoken about last summer. The type of player we are now looking for is of the highest quality and is therefore the very hardest to actually get. We could easily have signed three or four players but none would have been better than we already had.
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This is in its essence true, but only a fragment of the whole puzzle. Transfer dealings are so much more complex than just a couple of bullet points from the club's media spinning department. "Players are hard to get". "None would have been better than what we have".

When you have on your books several players who are not even playing, not even registered for competitions, then the entire notion of "nobody could have improved us" is ridden of any remote link to even faint logic. The club, by hoarding cheap gambles of non-HG wild cards, non of which worked out, put itself in a position of not being able to find and sign a decent player which there is a slot for. It is purely and utterly only the club's own fault that it is found to be impossible to sign anybody.

Adding to the lacklustre approach of hoarding cheap, unwanted bets, the constant dream of discovering a new, bespoke Rolls Royce hidden under the guise of a bicycle, and never being prepared to pay a penny more than for a used re-modelled previously loved car will, ultimately piss off the few possible targets out there who might in fact slot into the starting eleven and be tempted to consider coming.
 
JUSTINSIGNAL

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Colonel Dax said:
You're correct that it's difficult to upgrade our first team, but I find it difficult to accept that we cannot find replacements for squad players like Dembele, who is on his last legs and has had fitness issues for a while, and the seemingly broken Wanyama, who has only played a handful of games in the last year. Sure it may be difficult to offload them, but I'd like to think we're looking to eventually replace them with fitter players who can actually contribute. Perhaps long term Skipp can replace one in which case we still need another.
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Tbf JJ already said we tried for Frankie De Jong but the player and club wouldn’t play ball.

I think we’re in a unique position. We need elite talents to improve us but can’t pay the wages our competitors offer. So that narrows our options somewhat. We just got to hope targets buy into the project - new stadium, Poch, playing with Kane, Alli etc...
 
Lilbaz

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JUSTINSIGNAL said:
Tbf JJ already said we tried for Frankie De Jong but the player and club wouldn’t play ball.

I think we’re in a unique position. We need elite talents to improve us but can’t pay the wages our competitors offer. So that narrows our options somewhat. We just got to hope targets buy into the project - new stadium, Poch, playing with Kane, Alli etc...
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Don't think it was wages, think it was a certain catalan club in his ear.
 
GutBucket

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Some transfers are hard but some are not and club simply fucked up. We had perfect timing for Sancho after selling Walker to City and we let him go to Dortmund who will sell him for 100m one day after winning few trophies with him. Torreira is a perfect fit for Pochettino and we weren't even interested and we were fucking around with Grealish for too long after realizing too late that our HG quota isn't great (and players like Sancho or Maddison would help that). Getting players like De Ligt and N'Dombele won't be easy but then you just move on and get somebody else (and not just anyone else, there are other quality prospects). If mid table clubs from Spain can sell their unwanted players that average fan never heard of and if they have time to sign players to improve their team (and negotiate through 3rd party ownership fuckery) then Tottenham can certainly do it. Liverpool recognized their weaknesses, spent money and now they will win the league. And all that money will be returned eventually and they will gain new fans and sponsors. New stadium is amazing but timing somewhat sucks, I don't think Pochettino will be happy with doing a Wenger for the next 10 years, especially after losing 2 out of 3 best players in one summer if Eriksen leaves. Replacing Eriksen and Toby with 2 inferior players, signing at least one new CM and FB would be a bit too many new players needing time to adapt to his system to make a serious title challenge probably, especially when transfer budget is equal to money we get from player sales and paying off new stadium will take a long time. Luckily for us United need even more new first teamers to make a serious title challenge next season but they can become a dynasty with the right coach in 2 years and it will be hard to turn them down.
 
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GutBucket said:
Some transfers are hard but some are not and club simply fucked up. We had perfect timing for Sancho after selling Walker to City and we let him go to Dortmund who will sell him for 100m one day after winning few trophies with him. Torreira is a perfect fit for Pochettino and we weren't even interested and we were fucking around with Grealish for too long after realizing too late that our HG quota isn't great (and players like Sancho or Maddison would help that). Getting players like De Ligt and N'Dombele won't be easy but then you just move on and get somebody else (and not just anyone else, there are other quality prospects). If mid table clubs from Spain can sell their unwanted players that average fan never heard of and if they have time to sign players to improve their team (and negotiate through 3rd party ownership fuckery) then Tottenham can certainly do it. Liverpool recognized their weaknesses, spent money and now they will win the league. And all that money will be returned eventually and they will gain new fans and sponsors. New stadium is amazing but timing somewhat sucks, I don't think Pochettino will be happy with doing a Wenger for the next 10 years, especially after losing 2 out of 3 best players in one summer if Eriksen leaves. Replacing Eriksen and Toby with 2 inferior players, signing at least one new CM and FB would be a bit too many new players needing time to adapt to his system to make a serious title challenge probably, especially when transfer budget is equal to money we get from player sales and paying off new stadium will take a long time. Luckily for us United need even more new first teamers to make a serious title challenge next season but they can become a dynasty with the right coach in 2 years and it will be hard to turn them down.
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Mate, can you try using paragraphs?
 
smallsnc

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Yes, the trouble is did Levy promise him a transfer budget last summer if he didn't go to real. If so, why would he believe Levy if he says the same this summer to try to keep pochettino. When poch came out last season and said we needed to be more brave the way we do things at the club, I highly doubt he meant we should buy no players.
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Brave could mean doing it differently than everyone else. If the plan was to be very selective and only get someone that could improve us within our wave structure, that could be called brave because the other top 6 teams would pull out the check book and spend a $100 to 200 million.

Everyone complains that we did not improve our squad because we did not buy anyone, but our squad, in many ways has improved. We are more flexible tactically and deeper than we were last year because we have brought along some younger players and rejuvenated a couple of others not to mention getting something out of Moura now. Fans and pundits may not feel this way, but it must really get to the management of these other clubs that Spurs are competing at the top while spending nothing on transfers this past summer and only about half the wages of the other top 6.
 
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As I understand it there hasnt been any official approach from Man U anyway so its not even a matter of having more than 1 option.
They may not even want Poch as they think dealing with Levy would be a waste of time.
 
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Lilbaz said:
They have to have more than one option. It would be stupid and arrogant not to. But i wouldn't believe the papers too much. The evening standard printed a list of every manager we'd been linked to in the months after hoddle left. It amounted to 120.
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True but it will be funny to piss off the manure fans knowing they cant get our Poch and settling for Allegri who wont give them the attacking football they want.
 
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