The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Cornpattbuck]

Interesting article.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...leaving-real-madrid-rather-manchester-united/

Actually, this is just a roundabout Poch to United article, isn't it?!

"United passed up the opportunity to sign Aldreweireld ahead of this season, but have made Pochettino their number one target to succeed Jose Mourinho as their next permanent manager. The Old Trafford club are prepared to pay a world record compensation fee to try to tempt Spurs and are hopeful they could convince Pochettino to take on the biggest job in English football."

That's blatantly word-for-word whatever the Man U press office sent Matt Whatshisface...

 

[Tottenhamboy85]

Interesting article.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...leaving-real-madrid-rather-manchester-united/

The best part was “taken a major gamble on activating Toby contract” when the actual gamble would not activating it and him leaving for free ?

 

[bat-chain]

It’s tripe, how could a player leaving for 25m as opposed to 0 pounds be a gamble.

He clearly thinks this is a new contract as opposed to an option we have always held.

 

[MightySpurs]

The sad thing is if we actually had a modern wage structure and a decent transfer budget under poch we could not just be considered serious title contenders but title favourites.

Most our X11 could easily earn double wages anywhere else, it will start to become a bigger problem soon. When Lovern is earning 30k more than Ericksen you know something is not right.

Toby has put up superb performances even with his public contract situation - he's in his prime and one of the best CB in the world, pay the man!

Ericksen - Pay the man!
Son - Pay the man!

Ffs man.

Eriksen have been one of our most important player for years- and still people can’t spell his name correctly- TWICE

 

[Primativ]

Yeah that Matt Law article is filled with a load of contradictions and inconsistencies.

Also, there is no chance on earth we'd sell Toby in January hahaha.

Any outgoings to free space up which Poch alludes to would be for fringe squad players.

 

[tototoner]

Interesting article.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...leaving-real-madrid-rather-manchester-united/

Yeah was just about to post it also

 

[Mornstar]

Ffs man.

Eriksen have been one of our most important player for years- and still people can’t spell his name correctly- TWICE

Tell me about it. Moosa Cissokho is the other one that really bugs me

 

[spids]

Also, there is no chance on earth we'd sell Toby in January hahaha.

This is actually my biggest fear... whilst unlikely (and less likely now Mourinho won’t be panick buying like last winter), if Levy received a bid of £40m for him now he’d take it. Leaving us weaker at CB when we have a title race to try and win. And that’s the sort of thing that would make Poch seriously consider his position in the summer.

 

[dontcallme]

This is actually my biggest fear... whilst unlikely (and less likely now Mourinho won’t be panick buying like last winter), if Levy received a bid of £40m for him now he’d take it. Leaving us weaker at CB when we have a title race to try and win. And that’s the sort of thing that would make Poch seriously consider his position in the summer.

When have we sold players against Poch’s wishes?

By all accounts Levy and Poch have a good relationship.

Can we stop with all these hypothetical bad things Levy might do that will push Poch out of the club.

 

[spursfan77]

This is actually my biggest fear... whilst unlikely (and less likely now Mourinho won’t be panick buying like last winter), if Levy received a bid of £40m for him now he’d take it. Leaving us weaker at CB when we have a title race to try and win. And that’s the sort of thing that would make Poch seriously consider his position in the summer.

Would he? Has he sold players against manager’s wishes before? Any evidence, as I can’t remember one off the top of my head?

 

[spids]

Would he? Has he sold players against manager’s wishes before? Any evidence, as I can’t remember one off the top of my head?

It’s not about selling a player against the manager’s wishes (not sure anyone wanted Bale, Modric, Berbatov, Carrick, Keane to leave). It’s about maximising fee for a player who wants out. Because of Toby’s contract we’re in new territory. The Telegraph refers to taking up the option as a risk as we will almost certainly lose him either in Jan or next summer. The safer bet would be to offer him a new contract. Obviously it’s then still up to the player to sign it. Toby is clearly still our best defender and has shown he is fully fit. If we want to keep Poch and have a chance to win things we need our best players. Levy needs to spend just to maintain our position let alone go up a notch.

 

[spursfan77]

It’s not about selling a player against the manager’s wishes (not sure anyone wanted Bale, Modric, Berbatov, Carrick, Keane to leave). It’s about maximising fee for a player who wants out. Because of Toby’s contract we’re in new territory. The Telegraph refers to taking up the option as a risk as we will almost certainly lose him either in Jan or next summer. The safer bet would be to offer him a new contract. Obviously it’s then still up to the player to sign it. Toby is clearly still our best defender and has shown he is fully fit. If we want to keep Poch and have a chance to win things we need our best players. Levy needs to spend just to maintain our position let alone go up a notch.

We have offered him one but he doesn’t want to sign it. It’s why we are where we are. We can’t do much if the player wants out and his contract is running down. We had to extend it now to stop him negotiating with foreign clubs from 1 January and us losing him for nothing in the summer. If anything, by doing that, it shows we’ve zero intention of selling him in the summer.

Losing both Toby and Eriksen in the summer isn’t a good look though. We will have to buy well to replace them and that’s very hard.

 

[dontcallme]

It’s not about selling a player against the manager’s wishes (not sure anyone wanted Bale, Modric, Berbatov, Carrick, Keane to leave). It’s about maximising fee for a player who wants out. Because of Toby’s contract we’re in new territory. The Telegraph refers to taking up the option as a risk as we will almost certainly lose him either in Jan or next summer. The safer bet would be to offer him a new contract. Obviously it’s then still up to the player to sign it. Toby is clearly still our best defender and has shown he is fully fit. If we want to keep Poch and have a chance to win things we need our best players. Levy needs to spend just to maintain our position let alone go up a notch.

You honestly don’t think we have offered Alderweireld a contract?

 

[Shadydan]

When have we sold players against Poch’s wishes?

By all accounts Levy and Poch have a good relationship.

Can we stop with all these hypothetical bad things Levy might do that will push Poch out of the club.

Classic SC and their doomsday scneraios.

 

[spids]

You honestly don’t think we have offered Alderweireld a contract?

This is classic ‘take a post out of context’ message board posting. Of course we have offered Toby a new contract. I’m saying that we need to make him a better offer. I’m worried Levy will get an offer for Toby this window that means he’ll sell him now, derailing our title bid, and reinforcing the notion that Poch should leave if he ever wants to win anything.

I personally have no problem with Toby leaving for £25M in the summer if his clause gets activated as that’s what we signed up to and everyone has known for ages. Plus we have Verts, Sanchez and Foyth. But selling in January would be a massive mistake. At the same time, I do not see how Levy could turn down say £40m now for him as it’s a great price for a 32 year old player who can leave for £25m in July, plus we clearly have books to balance regarding the stadium.

If we sell Toby in Jan and Liverpool win the title an observation that many journalists and pundits will make is how Liverpool went big on VVD and we sold Toby when we should have been investing. And I can see Poch thinking that this project has run it’s course.

 

[dontcallme]

This is classic ‘take a post out of context’ message board posting. Of course we have offered Toby a new contract. I’m saying that we need to make him a better offer. I’m worried Levy will get an offer for Toby this window that means he’ll sell him now, derailing our title bid, and reinforcing the notion that Poch should leave if he ever wants to win anything.

I personally have no problem with Toby leaving for £25M in the summer if his clause gets activated as that’s what we signed up to and everyone has known for ages. Plus we have Verts, Sanchez and Foyth. But selling in January would be a massive mistake. At the same time, I do not see how Levy could turn down say £40m now for him as it’s a great price for a 32 year old player who can leave for £25m in July, plus we clearly have books to balance regarding the stadium.

If we sell Toby in Jan and Liverpool win the title an observation that many journalists and pundits will make is how Liverpool went big on VVD and we sold Toby when we should have been investing. And I can see Poch thinking that this project has run it’s course.

But it is pretty clear we have offered him a big contract and he is looking to move to an elite club.

Sorry but it is you who is ignoring common knowledge to create a different version of events.

 

[Joeyboey]

This is classic ‘take a post out of context’ message board posting. Of course we have offered Toby a new contract. I’m saying that we need to make him a better offer. I’m worried Levy will get an offer for Toby this window that means he’ll sell him now, derailing our title bid, and reinforcing the notion that Poch should leave if he ever wants to win anything.

I personally have no problem with Toby leaving for £25M in the summer if his clause gets activated as that’s what we signed up to and everyone has known for ages. Plus we have Verts, Sanchez and Foyth. But selling in January would be a massive mistake. At the same time, I do not see how Levy could turn down say £40m now for him as it’s a great price for a 32 year old player who can leave for £25m in July, plus we clearly have books to balance regarding the stadium.

If we sell Toby in Jan and Liverpool win the title an observation that many journalists and pundits will make is how Liverpool went big on VVD and we sold Toby when we should have been investing. And I can see Poch thinking that this project has run it’s course.

He’s not 32. He’s 29! He could still have 2/4 really strong years ahead of him.

For the first time in a long time, Spurs need to act for the now and not for the future. We’re in a title race and we need Toby for that.

 

[spids]

But it is pretty clear we have offered him a big contract and he is looking to move to an elite club.

Sorry but it is you who is ignoring common knowledge to create a different version of events.

Wtf!? You’ve done it again. Not sure what your agenda is or why you keep ignoring the context.

Yes - We offered him a new contract 18 months ago. ‘Common knowledge’ (aka rumour mill) suggests it was verbally agreed with Poch (who fought his corner) and was then reneged by Toby’s team when it came to actually committing. ITK suggested Poch then froze him out for most of last season. As I understand it (please do correct me if I am wrong) this offer has not been improved upon in the last 18 months.

Anyway, my point is not about Toby’s contract offer (you’ve dragged me into a different debate and one I do not really care for). This is about the affect it would have on Poch if we sold Toby in January given the interest from Man U and Real Madrid, and the impact on our title push.

Don’t bother to reply unless you have an opinion on that please.

 

[smallsnc]

Wtf!? You’ve done it again. Not sure what your agenda is or why you keep ignoring the context.

Yes - We offered him a new contract 18 months ago. ‘Common knowledge’ (aka rumour mill) suggests it was verbally agreed with Poch (who fought his corner) and was then reneged by Toby’s team when it came to actually committing. ITK suggested Poch then froze him out for most of last season. As I understand it (please do correct me if I am wrong) this offer has not been improved upon in the last 18 months.

Anyway, my point is not about Toby’s contract offer (you’ve dragged me into a different debate and one I do not really care for). This is about the affect it would have on Poch if we sold Toby in January given the interest from Man U and Real Madrid, and the impact on our title push.

Don’t bother to reply unless you have an opinion on that please.

What makes you think we would sell in Jan? Don't see it happening just because of the affect it would have not only on Poch, but on the whole team.

 

[newbie]

This is actually my biggest fear... whilst unlikely (and less likely now Mourinho won’t be panick buying like last winter), if Levy received a bid of £40m for him now he’d take it. Leaving us weaker at CB when we have a title race to try and win. And that’s the sort of thing that would make Poch seriously consider his position in the summer.

I don’t think he would 15 million extra for our only for senior CB, we would loose more in league position and I think it’s safe to say we need we stand a far better chance progressing in the champs league and cups with him.