The Mauricio Pochettino thread

SpartanSpur · May 10, 2019

George94 said:
I'm not trying to start and anti/pro Levy debate here, but where are some of you getting the optimism from that Levy will change his ways and back the 'second phase' of Pochettino's Tottenham?

If we don't, then what was the point?

I'm no BSODL but no chance he's only in this for self gain. I doubt a very wealthy man would take on such an enormous and draining undertaking as our stadium just for more personal financial gain (through the eventual sale of the club). The stadium was his baby and he (IMHO) lost focus on the football side a bit too much in the last year or so, and is very fortunate it hasn't cost us. Luckily enough that project is complete now.

I'm not even sure this is Poch sending a message, I think he's just emotional at the moment and sharing his thoughts. That's how I take the text and the video clips, which come across as much of a statement of fact (big summer ahead) as an ultimatum. *edit - with hindsight it's definitely a message, but I'm hoping its more about making Levy keep promises than trying to change his mind

Made things pretty clear for me. If he stays I'm hopeful for very good things. If he leaves then ENIC is a big problem and a lot of people here get to say I told you so...

Indisguise · May 10, 2019

I think his comments about transparency and who will be controlling things also mean he's not sure whether ENIC is in for the long haul or just fattening the calf.

LeParisien · May 10, 2019

George94 said:
I'm not trying to start and anti/pro Levy debate here, but where are some of you getting the optimism from that Levy will change his ways and back the 'second phase' of Pochettino's Tottenham?

Levy has spent big and bought lots of players before. Why would he not continue to back a club he’s built from mediocrity to greatness ? What’s the logic there ?

SpartanSpur · May 10, 2019

SpartanSpur said:
I'm not even sure this is Poch sending a message, I think he's just emotional at the moment and sharing his thoughts. That's how I take the text and the video clips, which come across as much of a statement of fact (big summer ahead) as an ultimatum.

Guessing it's this part I'm off base with @Hercules

If it is I'm cool with that too. He has all the leverage in the world right now and has every right to use it, and if he gets his way it's only good news for us IMO.

stormfly · May 10, 2019

We need to start paying champions league finalists wages first and foremost. It looks like we have started moving in that direction but the main thing holding us back from getting/keeping a player now is the wages we are willing to offer compared to the other top clubs.

fishhhandaricecake · May 10, 2019

midoshairband said:
i’m actually quite critical of some of the things Poch has said - but this time he’s spot on. i see it as him saying it doesn’t matter what i say, the press don’t listen and write what they want anyway.

it’s hilarious how the press have reacted - they’ve shite themselves. they literally don’t know what to do with his quotes because they don’t know if he’s serious.

they have direct quotes from him about leaving, yet they’re getting a lot less press coverage than his denials/refusal to answer during the Man Utd shit storm. quite brilliant.

100% this, the more I think about it the more I think it’s genius from him

fishhhandaricecake · May 10, 2019

curlacious said:
Yes, 5 years ago he was 'sold' the 5-year vision for the club: new stadium, Champions League football. Now he needs to be sold a new more exciting vision, and given a coherent strategy of how we're going to reach that new vision, before committing. This is all fine. What troubles me is why Levy hasn't done this already and why Poch feels he needs to go public with it.

Yea it’s a bit odd really which is why I think he’s just messing with the media as it doesn’t make sense, do you really think a guy who’s planned for and built a £1bil state of the art amazing stadium has not spoken to our best ever manager since bill nic about what the next 5 year plan would be, so over... he’s mugging the press off and it’s quite brilliant !

fishhhandaricecake · May 10, 2019

cjbyid said:
He's an odd man in interviews tbh! Comes out with alot of stuff. He could say something completely different next week!

Either he’s actually a little weird as most genius people and managers are or he’s being a genius and mugging off the press or both lol? I really don’t know.

Indisguise · May 10, 2019

I also think he's saying, "I'm not going to publicly disrespect you Daniel but unless we can agree on a way forward for the Club that doesn't involve, for instance, some fairly embarrassing financial shenanigans that has alienated half the world's chairmen then I can't see myself with a future at the Club." I think this comes across clearly from his comments in relation to knowing how the business works.

JCRD · May 11, 2019

fishhhandaricecake said:
Yea it’s a bit odd really which is why I think he’s just messing with the media as it doesn’t make sense, do you really think a guy who’s planned for and built a £1bil state of the art amazing stadium has not spoken to our best ever manager since bill nic about what the next 5 year plan would be, so over... he’s mugging the press off and it’s quite brilliant !

Or perhaps they have spoken and theyre at odds with what they want the next step to be... so Poch is just letting everyone know gently hence the transparency and honesty remarks? Obviously its a pessimistic view but what he has said is clear in what HE wants

Krule · May 11, 2019

George94 said:
I really am starting to think he won't be here next season - this is a fascinating interview and anyone who says he isn't sending a direct message to Daniel Levy is in denial.

EDIT: I really don't understand why he's saying all these things now though - we have a Champions League final to prepare for...surely this is an unwanted distraction?

I'm sure the star players already know far more about next season's plans for the club than us mere mortals.

Ben1 · May 11, 2019

I just don't think its that complicated...the man wants to be great, he wants his football club to be great.

He wants that club to be our club. If our club isn't prepared for that, its going be a different club. Simple as.

Stamford · May 11, 2019

curlacious said:
Yes, 5 years ago he was 'sold' the 5-year vision for the club: new stadium, Champions League football. Now he needs to be sold a new more exciting vision, and given a coherent strategy of how we're going to reach that new vision, before committing. This is all fine. What troubles me is why Levy hasn't done this already and why Poch feels he needs to go public with it.

Great points here. Surely levy has a plan

easley91 · May 11, 2019

Just watched the full press conference and read that monologue quote. If it was possible after Wednesday, I love him even more. This next chapter, the next five years are likely to be around sustaining the elite level status. We have reached one CL final, but we need to do it consistently. The first five years were all about getting the stadium and infrastructure done and in place off the pitch. On it, it was about consistently getting top four each season during that period. That has been accomplished.

To me it seems highly likely he will stay on, but in football things change on a day to day basis. You have no idea what is going to happen tomorrow. Poch has every right to be open about his future. He is someone who needs to know with 100% certainty what the plan is and what needs to be done to achieve it. I honestly cannot blame him for that. He is in these projects for the long term and I think our current circumstances has made reaching this final (and in the manner of the last second winner) even sweeter.

I love the bloke and fully believe he is our Fergie. Win or lose June 1st, we are on the brink of something very special.

chinaman · May 11, 2019

curlacious said:
I agree, I totally understand where he's coming from - but why make it so public, and why now? Seems unnecessary.

Could very well be that in private conversations with him, Baldy has been wishy-washy about what is going to happen in the summer, and Poch wants to force his hands.

stevenurse · May 11, 2019

I'd like to think it's both a reminder to Daniel, as well as a hint into both his and Daniel's aims for the future of the club.

He makes perfect sense, why would you want to get to a level and then immediately regress, but at the same time having vastly reduced resources compared to your rivals? You can't overachieve every season. He doesn't want to get the reputation as the 'nearly' man because he was 'nearly' given the resources required.

He's done everything asked of him, and much more. Including earning an absolute fortune for the club. Nows the time to seriously back him.

jolegend · May 11, 2019

If we were Poch, I think we only have to say to ourselves ‘what’s the point?’

And that is to be better, achieve more and win everything that we can.

Otherwise, what is the point?

Good on you Poch. Time to bring your A game Levy.

yankspurs · May 11, 2019

stevenurse said:
I'd like to think it's both a reminder to Daniel, as well as a hint into both his and Daniel's aims for the future of the club.

He makes perfect sense, why would you want to get to a level and then immediately regress, but at the same time having vastly reduced resources compared to your rivals? You can't overachieve every season. He doesn't want to get the reputation as the 'nearly' man because he was 'nearly' given the resources required.

He's done everything asked of him, and much more. Including earning an absolute fortune for the club. Nows the time to seriously back him.

Maybe Poch’s ims. Almost certainly not levy’s(or at least not while he’s chairman). Levy’s aim is now to maintain the value of the club and look for a buyer.

robotsonic · May 11, 2019

Watching the whole presser and reading the rest of those quotes just make me so excited to have him as our manager. To have someone with such balls and such ambition, and to want to achieve what he wants to achieve with us is incredible. And to look back at the last 5 years and to know that it's not just bravado and that they set their goals and have hit and surpassed them. What could we achieve by backing him this time as he wants to be backed? That's so exciting to me. Especially looking back at some of the management we've had at the helm over the years. Even with Harry when we had some good times and progress in their own right. Can you imagine him saying these kind of things, and talking of such lofty plans from a position of having already achieved so much?

If we can't sack up and back this guy at this point, after (probably) four consecutive seasons of UCL football, with a chance to win the biggest prize of all only a couple of weeks away against all of everyone's expectations...then we really don't deserve him, and I couldn't even blame him for wanting to fulfil his life's ambitions somewhere that he can make it happen. Just gotta hope that we dare to do.

DCSPUR · May 11, 2019

“We know very well that we need to operate in a different way and that doesn’t mean to spend more or less money. It’s to be transparent and say: ‘This is what we want for the next year, or the next five or 10 years.’ It would be very naive to think we can continue to operate as we have done and that it will get us to the Champions League final and the top four every season when we’re competing against projects like Liverpool or the Manchester clubs.
“If you want to expect the same from us as from Liverpool, the Manchester clubs and Chelsea, give me different tools to work with. If not and I see people working in the same way in the future, and I’m going to be this guy, I am the most stupid person to work. We need to create a realistic plan to develop in the next year, five years, and to match people’s expectations because, if not, our destiny is to crash.”

I think these are some key Poch comments....if you look back at comments made by many fans over the course of this past year + the media, the expectations and pressure were utterly inconsistent with what we should have achieved.
We have all benefited from the over achievement.

I think Poch is signaling, genuinely, that he wants Levy to articulate what the goal is for the next 5 years - and that he Poch is happy to take that message to the fans etc.

Makes sense to me.

I think if Levy is willing to allow big turn over in the squad coupled with some reasonable net spend, that will be fine with Poch. BUT that may require Levy taking less money on some outs for eg

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