That is academic. We have LOOKED like a different side and are going about things differently.
The thread is about what has changed, and things have.
Ramos Tactics...What have you noticed???
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That is academic. We have LOOKED like a different side and are going about things differently.
The thread is about what has changed, and things have.
I can't give the percentages - but I'm mightily pleased to see Robbo has continued with the hoofing
It's one of our best tactics - resulting in I believe 5 goals already this season, and I think from memory 2 have come in 4 games under Ramos - cos one of the goals v blackpool came from a Robbo hoof I believe - (may be wrong there)edit - just checked - yep one of the blackpool goals was the ole Robbo - Berbs - Keane routines
Keep on hoofing robbo
(not all the time of course) - but it is an effective tactic
$herringham
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Teh opneing psot has got to be teh wosrt Englsih i've raed sicne primray shcool
No way to do an apples to apples comparison , even after more games and against better opposition .
Nobody can take away Jol's two fifth places and our return to Europe , he was a victim of his own success . Ramos wouldn't have joined a 14th place team and even if he had of done it's difficult to see how he could have eclipsed Jol's achievements .
I don't believe more than a handful of a boxing glove of the people on this board understand what football tactics are and that includes me .
Think the board should learn to be satisfied with successive fifth places , at least until they fulfil their side of the bargain by expanding the stadium and providing money for top transfers .
Nobody can take away Jol's two fifth places and our return to Europe , he was a victim of his own success . Ramos wouldn't have joined a 14th place team and even if he had of done it's difficult to see how he could have eclipsed Jol's achievements .
I don't believe more than a handful of a boxing glove of the people on this board understand what football tactics are and that includes me .
Think the board should learn to be satisfied with successive fifth places , at least until they fulfil their side of the bargain by expanding the stadium and providing money for top transfers .
TopSpurMan
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you is wong me kids ni primry schl cn spl betr dan dis -
you sure wendy is not practising his english on this forum and checking if we have noticed he is playing the same team as Jol?
heythisisjay
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Ramos doesn't mess about. he knows his stuff and isn't afraid to show it with his tactics. He has looked at all the obvious Jol errors and put an end to most in an instant. that in itself deserves credit. The true impact his style has on the team collectively will become more clear with time, as some have said. For now, be relieved that the simple things are being done right. Might seem obvious but sometimes is easier to complicate than to simplify. Lennon on the left and steed on the right? You're having a laugh Jol...
C0YS
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but ramos for the seconed hlf of the wigan game made Lennon play on the left, and the same happened in Israil
SpurSince57
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Comments like this are going to look sooo silly if JR decides to give Lennon a whirl on the left—as he did, briefly, on Sunday (and, I seem to recall, against Hapoel). You're right, it sometimes is easier to complicate than to simplify, but there were sound tactical arguments for switching Lennon to the left (does anyone know how many games Jol actually started him there?). I don't think it's wise to predict what Ramos will do once he gets to know the squad better, and some of his decisions will be questioned the same way as Jol's were if they go wrong. And they probably will.
Ramos may well prove to be the better coach, but one thing I do know for sure; both he and Jol know a bazillion times more about tactics than any of us armchair experts.
A noticeable difference from what I have seen under Romos (ever since he was with Sevilla) is when his team take a lead, they press for more, while under Jol we seemed to enjoy sitting back and welcoming the pressure.
In Jol's first full season, we nearly grabbed 4th, but if you look carefully most of our wins came with only a single goal margin. Our packed midfield with Carrick and defence with King's presence helped the cause.
Last season's approach was the same when we had a lead but our top strikers came in rescue. There were not many games where we controlled the game and won comfortably.
This is not to say Jol is a bad manager. I appreciate what he had done for the club, but I just started to feel more comfortable with Ramos and his approach to the game. Romos seems to have a big influence on the players and start breeding confidence and self-belief through the squad already, and I'm sure more results like against Wigan are on their way.
In Jol's first full season, we nearly grabbed 4th, but if you look carefully most of our wins came with only a single goal margin. Our packed midfield with Carrick and defence with King's presence helped the cause.
Last season's approach was the same when we had a lead but our top strikers came in rescue. There were not many games where we controlled the game and won comfortably.
This is not to say Jol is a bad manager. I appreciate what he had done for the club, but I just started to feel more comfortable with Ramos and his approach to the game. Romos seems to have a big influence on the players and start breeding confidence and self-belief through the squad already, and I'm sure more results like against Wigan are on their way.
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As a strong believer that Jol was a great manager for Spurs, it's about time we stopped referencing everything back to Jol. Judging from Jenas' comment the weight of speculation has been lifted off the players and they have moved on to concentrate on football. We should too.
With regard to tactics.... moving the defensive line closer to midfield etc.... 3 clean sheets say it all no matter who the opposition was.
Ramos and Poyet will be judged on what they achieve. Hopefully it's another UEFA qualification and a cup.
With regard to tactics.... moving the defensive line closer to midfield etc.... 3 clean sheets say it all no matter who the opposition was.
Ramos and Poyet will be judged on what they achieve. Hopefully it's another UEFA qualification and a cup.
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Corner kicks....lennon bounces the ball a certain amount of times... on others he looks like hes tying his shoe laces and another one he hits the corner flag...
dont know if thats him pissing around but maybe its a sign???
dont know if thats him pissing around but maybe its a sign???
I certainly don't claim to know much about tactics and never have done - but what I do know is I was baffled time and again by Jol's playing of Steed on the right and Lennon on the left
I am so much happier that Ramos hasn't done this - he moved Lennon to the left after Steed had gone off v wigan, and that becomes a different comparison then -
I don't remember Lennon playing on the left v Hapoel - he may have done of course - but for how long and was Steed then playing on the right
It was Jol's playing of the two of them on the wrong side (IMHO) time and again that intensely irritated me- and yes Jol knows much more about tactics than I ever will, but I have eyes to see final scorelines and that tactic didn't work (as far as my limited memory goes anyhow
Also from memory Jol played Steed on the right in some games where Lennon wasn't available, and again it didn't work (on the whole, from memory) though I guess that was more explicable - be interesting to see what Ramos does when Lennon doesn't play.
I am so much happier that Ramos hasn't done this - he moved Lennon to the left after Steed had gone off v wigan, and that becomes a different comparison then -
I don't remember Lennon playing on the left v Hapoel - he may have done of course - but for how long and was Steed then playing on the right
It was Jol's playing of the two of them on the wrong side (IMHO) time and again that intensely irritated me- and yes Jol knows much more about tactics than I ever will, but I have eyes to see final scorelines and that tactic didn't work (as far as my limited memory goes anyhow
Also from memory Jol played Steed on the right in some games where Lennon wasn't available, and again it didn't work (on the whole, from memory) though I guess that was more explicable - be interesting to see what Ramos does when Lennon doesn't play.
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I certainly don't claim to know much about tactics and never have done - but what I do know is I was baffled time and again by Jol's playing of Steed on the right and Lennon on the left
I am so much happier that Ramos hasn't done this - he moved Lennon to the left after Steed had gone off v wigan, and that becomes a different comparison then -
I don't remember Lennon playing on the left v Hapoel - he may have done of course - but for how long and was Steed then playing on the right
It was Jol's playing of the two of them on the wrong side (IMHO) time and again that intensely irritated me- and yes Jol knows much more about tactics than I ever will, but I have eyes to see final scorelines and that tactic didn't work (as far as my limited memory goes anyhow
Also from memory Jol played Steed on the right in some games where Lennon wasn't available, and again it didn't work (on the whole, from memory) though I guess that was more explicable - be interesting to see what Ramos does when Lennon doesn't play.
yeah but jol did the same, he normally did it with Tianio on the right and lennon on the left, but when Malbrauque was fit, lennon played normally on the right, but again that changed deppending on the defender Lennon was facing, I am certain Ramos will do the same when the time comes
Well I can only go from my memory and I distinctly remember being irritated time and again by Jol playing Steed on the right and Lennon on the left - I vividly remember shouting at the TV screen and also complaining to the wife about it
So far Ramos hasn't done this and I haven't been screaming about it - instead I've been saying well done to our manager for playing them the 'right way round'
That's the way I remember it anyhow - as for the future we'll see - of course there will be times when Lennon will pop up on the left maybe for a sustained period - I'll just judge how it works when it happens.
It didn't go too well v Wigan, but TT wasn't performing at all on the left so it was a decent move and got a lot more from TT. But steed has looked so much better since he's consistently been played on left the by JR.
