Why are most British managers rubbish?
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Sigh. It was well intended. Look:
Of the 5 foreign managers in the Premiership (not including Roy Keane), none of them had a playing career of any note, if a playing career at all. Of the 14 British managers, plus Roy Keane, 7 had what I would consider to be very successful playing careers, while the other 8 had careers which were at least mildly significant.
Now to me, in a time when people are saying that British managers just aren't good enough for one to be England manager, and fretting over why that's the case, it's remarkable that no one has considered that, in this country, managers simply tend to come from the wrong place, i.e. the playing field.
Every time a player with a supposed great "football brain" comes to the end of his career, people start talking about how great a manager they could be - Tony Adams and Paul Ince are two that come to mind - and yet neither of them have done anything with their management careers. In fact, players who are expected to be great managers very rarely are. And yet, we still cling to the notion of giving these former great players jobs in the highest levels of management.
ripley
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I thought it was proven that great players do not necessarily make great managers.
Scientifically proven...
by a computer
a huge computer
a massive computer
a computer so massive it took up a a whole city block
a computer so advanced it could also play tic tac toe AND solitaire
...and it was programmed by some guy who "knew all about computers".
Scientifically proven...
by a computer
a huge computer
a massive computer
a computer so massive it took up a a whole city block
a computer so advanced it could also play tic tac toe AND solitaire
...and it was programmed by some guy who "knew all about computers".
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Hmm. No. There are some great managers who have had successful playing careers - Fabio Capello for one - but the fact is, in Europe/South America, clubs are not limited to picking managers who have already had success as players. If you're going to limit yourself in that way, you're clearly not going to get the best quality.
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From a Spurs angle, to back Zap up, think Perryman, Ardiles, Hoddle (limited to Spurs) Ray Clemence. none of these relatively successful players have made the grade with Spurs. You could argue that Hoddle has made some sort of go at it elsewhwere though.
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If you give loads of successful managers the chance to be successful managers, then 1 or 2 of them are inevitably going to take it. However, Hoddle = great manager? Definitely not. To reiterate, I think the system of selecting managers in this country is fundamentally flawed, and until it's rectified, we're always going to struggle to produce one good enough to, for example, manage the national side.
The skills required to be a manager are clearly different to those required to be a player, so there's no reason why the opportunity to be a manager shouldn't be available to everyone. Another way of looking at it: most great managers are intelligent people. Most footballers are stupid.
The skills required to be a manager are clearly different to those required to be a player, so there's no reason why the opportunity to be a manager shouldn't be available to everyone. Another way of looking at it: most great managers are intelligent people. Most footballers are stupid.
Spursking
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Most british managers are not successful because they do not know about how to build a team. That is the main reason. I think that many british managers are good tactically, but when you don't have the nose for how to build a team, it will be difficult.
There are a few exceptions, though....
Harry Redknapp is a very good teambulder, and is good at finding talents and player types suited for his team.
I also rate Martin O'Neill as quite good in the transfer market, and he is also a very good motivator and great to get the best out of teams.
Ferguson is of course one of the most successful managers in the world, but he is also a very good teambuilder, and finds talents to build the team around - long term. That is the main factor for his success. You need certain player profiles to build your team around, and if you get that, you make it easier for yourself.
Sam Allardyce is also a good manager, and did a great job with Bolton. He was also quite good in the transfer market, and that is the reason why he is rated as a good manager, and got the Newcastle job and also was in connection with the England job. It is all about being good in the transfer market, and do it easier for yourself.
There are a few exceptions, though....
Harry Redknapp is a very good teambulder, and is good at finding talents and player types suited for his team.
I also rate Martin O'Neill as quite good in the transfer market, and he is also a very good motivator and great to get the best out of teams.
Ferguson is of course one of the most successful managers in the world, but he is also a very good teambuilder, and finds talents to build the team around - long term. That is the main factor for his success. You need certain player profiles to build your team around, and if you get that, you make it easier for yourself.
Sam Allardyce is also a good manager, and did a great job with Bolton. He was also quite good in the transfer market, and that is the reason why he is rated as a good manager, and got the Newcastle job and also was in connection with the England job. It is all about being good in the transfer market, and do it easier for yourself.
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And anyway, they're more managers who have taken slightly rubbish teams and made them quite good rather than the best of the best. Which is maybe more a consensual opinion then mine per se, but I'm not sure either Strachan nor Moyes would be particularly popular choices for the England job.
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