Match Threads Spurs vs Chelsea - Match Thread - Day 21

Mandy Dingle said:

But why Ledley? I get it, we all adore the man, but that just screams of pseudo-nepotism by giving the job to someone whose entire post-playing CV is being what? A defensive coach (I assume that's what he does,) for a team that seemingly cannot defend very well at the moment. It doesn't exactly inspire confidence once you waft the emotional attachment out the way.

Is Allegri still out of a job? He's a bit of a gamble but if Jose is on the way out then rolling the dice on someone like that might be what we need.

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freeeki said:

I’ve literally posted paragraphs on this earlier which you have a negative rating to; perhaps you should have read what you were rating?

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idontgetit said:

The fans didn't pick the next manger so your point is irrelevant. Also that manager won 9-0 yesterday and is in the running for the title. The whole Man U stuff is just a reply to some other daft point. You've completely ignored the main point which is that Spursy is choosing a manager and sticking with him purely because he's won trophies in the past rather than looking at what's going on and asking if it's working and could things work better with someone else.

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evo23 said:

player wise it’s difficult. Other than skipp I don’t think the quality is there in our youth teams. But by recalling Dele, getting winks playing and giving guys like tanganga a chance it gives us a plan going forward

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fecka said:

I never said he didn't have any tactics. I was defending Jose wildly when we were on that run as he showed us how to win efficiently. However, the same play that got us those wins are arguably what has led to us having 2 wins in the last 11 games. If that isn't beyond appalling I don't know what is.

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Ionman34 said:

So they replaced him with Solskjaer? That’s knowing what a “winning Manager” looks like?

Jesus...

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CrazyHeart said:

I beg to differ - one of the biggest criterion to pick a manager is his track record, so picking Jose was the best choice with regards to that. As far as Ole is concerned, he's a grandfathered in Man United tenured patron, who looked incredibly shaky and had fans demanding his sacking not long ago. If anything, the fact that he turned things around is precisely why we should give Jose the time to do likewise. I'm not talking indefinitely - just the end of the season... it's troubling that it's too much to ask!

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Alex4487 said:

i think mourinho has to be the worst appointment in enics history with the players we have attacking wise to employ someone so negative that stifles any good attacking build up was a brainfart that levy is very much too blame for. desperate for mou to come in yet didnt relise hes been a shit manager since leaving real madrid. shameful all round he eneds to do the right thing and get rid

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idontgetit said:

Just to clarify as I may have misphrased it, the issue was less about picking him and more about now blindly sticking to him out of desperation and insecurity. I get why Levy wanted him so badly and I get why he'd have thought that Mourinho had both evolved a bit, still had it and could take us to trophies.

Everything is wrong though, there's so many red flags you'd think it was a communist revolution. Everything is wrong about the system and the players and what Mourinho himself is saying. We're not in the middle of a process, we're not just unlucky. The process and system and mentality are fundamentally wrong.

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idontgetit said:

The fans didn't pick the next manger so your point is irrelevant. Also that manager won 9-0 yesterday and is in the running for the title. The whole Man U stuff is just a reply to some other daft point. You've completely ignored the main point which is that Spursy is choosing a manager and sticking with him purely because he's won trophies in the past rather than looking at what's going on and asking if it's working and could things work better with someone else.

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Spurzinho said:

I so badly want to disagree and offer Jacques Santini or Glenn Hoddle or David Pleat or AVB as counter examples but... I think you might just be right. Gawd helps us.

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Ionman34 said:

Or it’s sacking off the manager before giving him the chance to make things work.

Goon fans wanted Arteta gone a few weeks ago, Brighton fans were rumbling a few weeks ago. West Ham fans were calling for Moyes’ head not so long ago.

Spurs fans wanted Mourinho sacked before he’d started!

Don’t get me wrong, we’re fucking tripe at the moment, but where’s the resume out there that can turn this team into what we want? The fact that the players that are regularly getting pelters on here are the same players that played absolutely tripe for Poch previously, should be telling the story.

I’ll reiterate what I’ve been saying for a while now, when the players played the system the way JM wants it played, we control the pitch rather than the ball. Doing that put us top of the league for a number of weeks, and deservedly so. They’ve stopped doing it now for some reason, and that’s damn sure not because they’ve been told to do so.

I can accept that many don’t like the style of Football, to each their own, but the vast majority of the issue here is with the playing staff.

We have VERY ordinary players in key positions, yet even with that the system employed saw us getting excellent results when it was executed well. As soon as those ordinary players stopped executing the system of play it all turned to shit.

Tonight wasn’t about Chelsea sitting back, letting us have the ball saying “go on then, break us down,” they played in a way that HM’s system is designed to nullify and beat when executed properly, this involves playing in joined up groups, funnelling play, cutting off passing lanes and forcing the opposition to play in the areas we want them to. NONE of that happened tonight, nor against Brighton, or Liverpool, or Fulham and we’ve looked shite as a result.

MY point is that the focus is in the wrong area because of the ire towards JM that many have held from day 1. The problem is the players primarily.

JM doesn’t get away Scott free here, but he’s not the primary problem, and no amount of managerial changes will alter that.

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CrazyHeart said:

You can swap out AVB with Sherwood right off the bat.

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Goofster said:

What is fucking beyond me is Bale not getting a string of games cause apparantly we can't afford to try and play him into form yet there we are not scoring with fucking Bergwijn starting every single game and keeping fucking donkey Sissoko on the pitch for 90 minutes eventhough we're behind. Sissoko runs around alot and actually does a decent job closing down spaces defensivly but on the ball he's fucking horrible. We buy Doherty, a wing back, play him as a full back and are shocked he's bad, convert to wing back system and drop him for Sissoko. José had his lack of ideas masked by increadible run of form for Kane and Son. We look clueless and it's painful and depressing to see.

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'O Zio said:

Really? When he has played he's been one of the worst culprits of jogging around at 50% effort looking like he doesn't fancy it. He'd have fitted right in in the first half.

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spoon said:

Tonight was all about Dierbolical.

As bad as our team was in the first half Dier goes and does something like that.

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