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Match Threads Arsenal vs Spurs - Match Thread - Day 28

Match Prediction

  • Spurs to Win

    Votes: 116 58.9%
  • Spurs to Lose

    Votes: 39 19.8%
  • Score Draw (After leading)

    Votes: 29 14.7%
  • Score Draw (Coming from behind)

    Votes: 13 6.6%
  • Goalless Draw

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    197

WiganSpur

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Aug 31, 2012
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It may well be true that the players' mentality is what's causing it, but for me the blame for that still falls to Jose. Man management and motivation are well within the manager's remit and he's failed spectacularly to get this group playing against anything other than the bottom sides in the league. Whether intentional or not the quality of the performances fall to the manager.
No I agree it’s not all his fault but he has a degree of responsibility in that no doubt hence why I’ve turned on Jose tonight. I don’t think there is a way back for him now, we might as well give another coach a chance to do the impossible and bury the classic Spurs mentality once and for all.
 

rossdapep

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Aug 25, 2011
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I don’t think we are good enough to cater for him to meander around.
we're not but you can get past some of that by pushing higher up the pitch and imposing yourself on Arsenal.

Put Bale in Brightons team and you'd have seen a Brighton team have a go today and Bale be a threat.

If Jose is setting the team up to sit deeper, do you think the likes of Bale and Ndombele go into the game full of enthusiasm.

And then twenty mins into the game where you've touched the ball 3 or 4 times and are nowhere near the goal, do you think that Bale is going to be spurred on?

He's not that kind of player, it would be the same for Messi and Ronaldo, they want to feel like they can can do what they are good at.

We may as well have started with Bergwijn today because he'd have tracked back and done that side of the game.
 

freeeki

Arsehole.
Aug 5, 2008
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SC: This referee has been terrible and our performance has been terrible

SC: Let’s see what Jose’s got to say

JM: The referee made some bad decisions and our performance was really bad

SC: Oh here come the excuses!!!
 

EastLondonYid

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Jan 26, 2010
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16,145
Mourinho deluded.... talking shit again

Deflecting a piss poor show on the ref.

He should grow a pair and fuck off.

Heard it all before, like a broken old record.

Beyond belief that some fans still want him for next season...

When the fans are let back in the stadium it will be carnage ....he will soon know what we think of him.
 

gloryspur

Active Member
Dec 7, 2006
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Moura was our best player today seemed to find some gears when playing with 10! Just why we resort to fear away to this lot is something that never changes no matter whose in charge! 1 win in god knows how many attempts is piss poor and so weak. I would have heartedly laughed if we did equalise but this is Tottenham, got what we deserved to be honest. Sanchez 's tackle so last ditch makes you wonder why he bothered with Lacazette's effort a complete mis-hit.

Doherty obviously use to support that lot might as well have been with them today he was atrocious. How can we go from such a feel good on the front foot against Palace to this is why it's called Spursy.
 

Amo

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Aug 22, 2013
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SC: This referee has been terrible and our performance has been terrible

SC: Let’s see what Jose’s got to say

JM: The referee made some bad decisions and our performance was really bad

SC: Oh here come the excuses!!!

What would Potter have said in this scenario?
 

sebo_sek

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Jun 2, 2005
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Reading the "average players" comments, after we'd just won 5 in a row and only conceded one, after narrowly losing a game to a dubious penalty, I can only say that there is a whole pack of people just biting at the bit for us to lose so they can come out and have their tirade.

We were second best for large spells, and we controlled for large spells. They hit the woodwork twice, we hit the post and had a narrowly offside goal disallowed, they got a dodgy penalty - the difference that settled it. In all their control they really didn't create more than us.

I'm so sick of the neagtivity. Yes, Doherty is struggling massively, but we have a reborn Lamela and Moura. Some people will never be happy unless we win the quadruple.
 

Robbiepope

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Aug 3, 2006
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So many things have annoyed me about that game, most pissed off in ages at a Spurs performance and result

1. Arsenal aren’t great and we have better players.
2. Our approach was tepid and we watched them play. When we went for them with 10 men , got up the pitch we were the better team.
3. How could you not address the issue on the right sooner is beyond me.
 

anydange

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Jan 31, 2013
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Blaming Oliver’s penalty decision doesn’t excuse the absolutely pathetic performance from the players. Arsenal would have scored one way or another as we offered nothing going forward until the last 10 mins.
 

rez9000

Any point?
Feb 8, 2007
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The players deserve some of the blame, but if you have a scared manager you're going to have a scared team. A team takes on the personality of the coach. The manager's can't kick a ball, but he can set up a team that can play against a smidgen of pressure. You think we'd so the same under Pep or Klopp? Instead Mourinho has up retreat into our own half and hope Kane and Son can pull off something special.
You're arguing a ridiculous point. If that's the case, one of the managers you've named - Klopp - what's the personality he's imposing that has made their season go to shit?

I've been saying it for months - this squad folds under pressure. It's why we lost against Liverpool to start our terrible run, it's the reason we lost today.

Even when we were shit and Arsenal we good we at least tried to show some intent against them. Today we treated Arsenal like they were the best team in the World even though they are a mid table team.

They've both played poorly for a few weeks now, but as my above point, the way the team is set up doesn't help them. Our patterns of play are shit and we are reliant on someone doing something special.
And so that bolsters my point - the pressure of the game is what did for us. You can't have it both ways, pal - you can't say that when we beat Palace it's because they let us, which derogates credit for the manager, and then state that it's all the manager's fault when virtually the exact same set up (one player change) causes us to implode. This is not on the manager.

Everyone was saying play on the front foot. We've been doing that. We've been singing the praises of our front set for the last few games as they've been doing well. Where were they today? Kane did virtually nothing for most of the game, Moura kept running into blind alleys, misplacing pass after pass after pass, and Bale barely touched the ball.
 

bubble07

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Dec 27, 2004
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I'm certain the plan wasn't to drop deep first half. Mourinho even said its the worst half ge has had.

Opposition wanted it more first half and they created overloads on our weakest side

Doherty couldn't even deal with 1 v 1. Stick ESR and Odergaard that side with Bale who has zero interest in defending and we get done
 

freeeki

Arsehole.
Aug 5, 2008
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Reading the "average players" comments, after we'd just won 5 in a row and only conceded one, after narrowly losing a game to a dubious penalty, I can only say that there is a whole pack of people just biting at the bit for us to lose so they can come out and have their tirade.

We were second best for large spells, and we controlled for large spells. They hit the woodwork twice, we hit the post and had a narrowly offside goal disallowed, they got a dodgy penalty - the difference that settled it. In all their control they really didn't create more than us.

I'm so sick of the neagtivity. Yes, Doherty is struggling massively, but we have a reborn Lamela and Moura. Some people will never be happy unless we win the quadruple.

This is no place for balance.
 
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