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Match Threads Arsenal vs Spurs - Match Thread - Day 28

Match Prediction

  • Spurs to Win

    Votes: 116 58.9%
  • Spurs to Lose

    Votes: 39 19.8%
  • Score Draw (After leading)

    Votes: 29 14.7%
  • Score Draw (Coming from behind)

    Votes: 13 6.6%
  • Goalless Draw

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    197

rez9000

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Feb 8, 2007
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Bale is a world class player, even on their off days you keep them on the pitch because they are still able to create or score a goal out of nothing with a moment of quality. Replacing him with Sissoko is not the sub you make if you want to win a match.
It is when you're constantly losing the ball around your box and your winger isn't helping the situation by being too far up the pitch to help out. That sub was absolutely correct in my opinion. It helped shore up the right wing and allowed Doherty to move further up the flank than when he was chasing Terney's shadow. The only problem with the sub was that it was Sissoko coming on, but we don't have anyone else who could do that job.
 

nico97531

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Nonsense.
Do you really believe players are just going out there and doing what they like? Playing negative football whilst being told to attack?
If so then thats very damning on Joses ability as a coach.
They're playing as instructed which is also very damning on Joses ability as a coach.
I watched us for years as a very poor mid table team playing against title winning Arsenal teams, not that load of shit we just went up against, but we NEVER used to go 80mins only having had 1 fucking shot!!!
That performance was not on our players ability, nor on this Arsenals ability. It was because the coach has a defeatist mentality and sets up not to lose. He focuses far too much on what the opposition are going to do and how to deal with that rather than impose his own team onto them.
I posted after 20mins its hard to win when your first thought is to pass backwards. These stinkball tactics are coming from the coach. Nobody else.
The sooner he is gone the better. It's just a shame we'll probably be seeing the back of Kane at the same time.
Like I said, are they being instructed not to win any 2nd ball also? I have no idea what the tactics were but I do see the attacking players that started the game and that wasn’t very negative to me, I don’t think he would have started Bale if the intention was to avoid risks of losing the match, what I do know is that we had been out worked by the opposition and that’s not down to any tactics but the players. And like I said, I do agree it’s a worry that Jose couldn’t motivate the players for a fking derby.
 

Mark_147

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And it wouldn't have been much better with Aurier. Not because he's a bad player, but because he's attack-minded. Whoever we played on that flank, Arsenal would have (rightly) targeted it. The only option would have been not to play Bale at all. But given his recent form, you'd have been mad to do so.

So the choice comes down to, do you play a player at RB who's had a run of a few games where he seems to be developing a good partnership with his forward and who is best employed as a wing-back anyway, if you suspect the defence you're up against may leave gaps for you to exploit with that developing partnership; or a link Bale with a player who's just come back from injury and who played three days ago?
Aurier is attack minded but that is not how we played today. Reguilón hardly got forward on the left flank it's difficult to get down the side of us when we play Aurier and Reguilon in the same side.
 

dvdhopeful

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Nov 10, 2006
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The first five minutes was so odd, the front four just jogging and it set the tone. All over the pitch it felt like a friendly, I just don't get the lack of intensity, that isn't Mourinho, even if you tell the players not to close, they should at least sprint to cover space and get the loose ball.

I don't like scapegoats, I haven't knocked Doherty just for the sake of it, but today showed he just isn't a good enough defender. As a RB/LB at a supposed elite club, you cant be beaten 3/4 times in a half, you just can't. And for those bagging Mourinho for bring on Sissoko, they are simply showing up agendas, he had no choice but to shore things up. Knock him for starting Doherty, but not for making the change, he arguable took too long to do it though.
 

rez9000

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Feb 8, 2007
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if Jose doesn’t feel that Aurier is ready to play yet, then I can’t see why he didn’t replace him with Tanganga on the bench.
Could be any number of reasons, but the selection makes perfect sense. The fact that Bale and Doherty had linked up very well in the last couple of games suggests that perhaps JM was relying on them creating on the right even if Tierney was a threat on that flank. Having Tierney may give Arse some pep higher up their left flank but it also exposes that flank at the back. With their sketchy centre backs being pulled in all sorts of directions by Bale, Kane and Son, it should have allowed us to carve them open time and again.

Instead what happened is that we went at it limp as a week-old fish, didn't give them anything to think about until they had taken control of the game and then Sonny went off and Bale seemed to disappear. Totally against the run of play we score a and instead of pulling our cojones up and actually going for the throat, we again go all limp and give them the chance to come back into the game.

Game over.
 

sebo_sek

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Jun 2, 2005
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They should have won 3 or 4-1. The fact they were so shit at finishing doesn't make us look any better. We were second best all over the park. No press, no fight until we went down to 10 men. And lets not forget Arsenal are bang average at the moment so what does that say about us? Their manager who is shite had his team playing football. Ours didn't. There is no way this turd can be polished.
So you're discarding the chances we had, and bigging up the chances they had.

What does it say about us? That we narrowly lost a heated football match. That's pretty much it.
 

stormfly

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Dec 6, 2006
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Luckily I missed huge chunks of the game today. What happened with Son and how bad is it?
 

rez9000

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Feb 8, 2007
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As you pointed out there was no intensity in that game from either side, so Arsenal did not pin us back we sat back by Mourinho’s instructions.
Please, mark, don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say anything of the sort. What I said was:

"Arsenal, while nowhere near the intensity that you would expect in an NLD either, were miles ahead of us in their intent."

It seems like now you're looking for excuses to blame the manager and, forgive me, but I'm too tired for that. It's pointless.
 

punkisback

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Apr 10, 2004
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This reminded me of Redknapp loss v Arsenal after we beat Newcastle 5-1 did the dinosaur thing if not changing a winning team that was tactically not set up right against goons. I’ve been positive about Jose but that was shocking from him. Doherty is lacking so much quality in comparison to Aurier.
 

chrissivad

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May 20, 2005
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Luckily I missed huge chunks of the game today (luckily). What happened with Son and how bad is it?

Pulled up at the end of a run.
No idea how bad (it didn't look too bad, but difficult to tell). He would need scans before anyone knows.

Hopefully just a strain.... ?
 

ardiles

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Nov 24, 2006
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I have to say I thought PEH and Ndombele were awful today. They looked totally shell shocked. Not sure if it's just fatigue or form but PEH has been pretty poor recently.

I think it’s the fatigue that has affected his form. Looking forward to having Skipp back next season so they can be rotated and be fresh throughout the season.
 

YB123

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I think it’s the fatigue that has affected his form. Looking forward to having Skipp back next season so they can be rotated and be fresh throughout the season.

spot on. imo Jose's use of PEH and Sonny has been shocking and the injuries and form was always coming.
 

rez9000

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Feb 8, 2007
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We were ok against Palace but they are an awful side - Arsenal just put us under pressure high up the pitch worked a continual overload out wide - we didn't cope with their width ourtwo in the centre of midfield were poor and didin't get a grip on the game. The manager has to see that and make changes tactically we had to make the game longer turn their full backs around and make them think about defending which they are awful at. Instead we lose Son so there is no pace up front yet we are still trying to give ball the Kane for him to turn surprisingly there managed that. The chosen one sits there again doing noting to affect the game shit management
Which is precisely what he did. By bringing Sissoko on, it provided more cover on the right and that allowed for Doherty to move up the flank. That made sense. It made sense to choose Doherty and Bale initially as Tierney's adventurousness would leave that flank more vulnerable to Bale's threat. That Bale didn't present any threat bar that one magical cross (which came to nothing anyway), and with Arsenal looking more and more threatening in our defensive third, it was the perfect substitution. The problem with it was that the only player we could bring on was Sissoko.
 

HedgieSpur

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This keeps coming up. What does his salary have to do with anything? I'm just trying to understand. Is it your contention that the more a manager is paid, the fewer games he'll lose? Is there a graph you can point to that plots the relationship between salary and win percentage?

I only ask because armed with that information, one of us could email it to Daniel Levy and he'll then pay Mourinho the salary that ensures the manager never loses any games and then we'll all be happy, right? That's how it works, yes?

Its pretty simple actually. As the guardian of our club, does Levy believe Jose's performance as the manager of the team is commensurate with his remuneration? The nature of remuneration is almost always linked to skills, experience and performance. So his salary IS relevant when gauging his performance, because we can benchmark him against other managers who are paid less.

Even if you disagree, does my answer make sense?
 

Dov67

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I don’t know whether that shambles today was a result of the tactics and tempo we decided to play or whether we we had one of those days when there was just no energy, bite and everyone played shit.

What is obvious is that whether by design or accident we played in a way that accentuated their strengths and our weaknesses.

For a manager who has never been shy about hauling a player off at half time or before if necessary I will never understand why Doherty stayed on the he pitch for 90 mins. The goons saw he was having a nighmare and attacked him relentlessly, but somehow Mourinho didnt see it. Go figure.
 
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