Match Threads Man City vs Spurs - Match thread - Carabao Cup Final 2021 - KO 4:30pm

Beni · Apr 25, 2021

C0YS said:
OK I don't even think this was a defensive performance, and I think there is a real issue with how people understand modern football. Creating openings is hard, what Mason tried to do, is build from the back, this generally the main way that attacking teams create now, but essentially we couldn't break Man cities press, same with the CL final it's the same. It's not that it was defensive per se it's that we weren't good enough at the building, but no one is ever good at that against city tbf. What was defensive was the shape, we didn't try and press them but rather we played in a mid-block, probably because we were scared of city hitting those long diagonals into the channels.

The weird thing is we were 10 minutes away from extra time, and actually, we did manage to subdue city in the second half, had a lot more possession, got the ball higher up. The subs I think didn't help us, but even then, I think we were well in the game, and defended well. It goes to extra time and penalties and it's a success.

I think people are exaggerating the doom and gloom. Or are just delusional to the difference in level and what's required to reach that level. One of the issues is we are trying to play from the back now, in a Poch kind of way, Poch teams also could be pinned back in their own half a lot, but there has been no time whatsoever to work on it, so it's kind of what you expect. I thought odds were, we'd be beaten pretty comfortably today and I think that we managed to hold and actually a bit more than that in the second half, wasn't a bad show.

I get the gulf in class, 10 minutes away from extra time was being fortuitous in how we rode our luck. Yeah, beat City’s press, we decide to combat that with a midfield of Winks and Sissoko.

Archibald&Crooks · Apr 25, 2021

Rob said:
So did you order your 20/21 Carabou Cup Finalist keyring yet? (yes, I'm serious)

If you can find out how many he can fit up his delicate little bumhole, i'll buy that many and stuff them up there

JCRD · Apr 25, 2021

spursfan77 said:
Why don’t they show more hunger then, what’s holding them back?

Tactics. First final we were a young team with a young manager.

CL final should have done better but the first minute penalty clearly played a role

Today we had a 28 Yr old manager.

The fact is... Each of those finals I don't think we finished them thinking... We were unlucky. I always come out of them thinking... If only...

We are always passive in finals even when we last won against Chelsea in 2008 we were passive in the first half. But they're all different players different manager... It is disheartening to be honest.

DannyNZ · Apr 25, 2021

Lord Commander said:
The biggest reason for the loss is not a lack of effort or desire. It`s due to the simple fact that the City players are
much, much better.

Did the questionable lineup help? No. Was the midfield much weaker without Ndombele? Yes.
Should Bale have started? Yes.

But even with Ndombele and Bale on the pitch, City would have dominated the game and created more chances.
The simple fact is that most (but not all) cup finals are won by the team with the better players.

City absolutely better. But I thought we were in the game and had a chance, until the first subs. Moura and Lo Celso for Sissoko and Bale. We weren’t in it from that point on.

DenverSpur · Apr 25, 2021

Phil-spur99 said:
@DenverSpur so you think he can do it on his own against a team that has just won 30 of the last 33 games. Interesting....

No I don’t think he can do it on his own no one can but once again in a big game he was as anonymous as everyone else but people make excuses for his performance. Did you see any more drive, effort or determination from Kane compared to others. I didn’t.

Cornpattbuck · Apr 25, 2021

Football. What a bastard.

Oh well, at least it's been sunny this weekend. I'd have been miserable if it was grey and dreary.

This squad still needs an absolute kicking, but we all knew that.

Not going to single anyone out as, while City played some excellent football, pretty much everyone in green had a mare apart from occasional flares of interest.

Football. What a bastard. Bastard.

Karol · Apr 25, 2021

spursfan77 said:
Why don’t they show more hunger then, what’s holding them back?

They are big fish in a small pond*, they are pampered and overfed (£££)

They are no longer hungry

* Excepting Harry Kane

SargeantMeatCurtains · Apr 25, 2021

jbstarr14 said:
Prepared to get pelters for this, but if Kane is so fucking desperate for trophies, maybe he could put in a shift when he has the chance to win one? Maybe lead by example?

Sick of this ‘Kane deserves to win stuff’ narrative. You had to earn medals back in my day.

Totally agree. He goes missing all the time.

Kane’s average first half position was behind Reguilon and Lo Celso. I don’t care what the tactics or instructions were, there is no way he’s being told to play that deep. We essentially have no focal point when he’s sitting so far back. He did exactly the same against Liverpool in the CL final and Croatia in the WC semi final.

glacierSpurs · Apr 25, 2021

THFC_SWE said:
Look, Mason is not the solution. But don't you remember our results vs top clubs under Mou? It was horrible. Add the performance against Dinamo Zagreb. We were just lucky to get to the finals in the first place. Walk over vs Leyton Orient, penalty win vs Chelsea under Lampard and two wins against Championship clubs. We had nothing to do in a final vs a team like Man City. Mason or Mourinho, it doesn't matter.

I wouldn't even mind or care if we lucked out to win tonight with Mourinho in helm. The naysayers can say all they want on Mourinho. If he did, he still at least managed to get us a silverware and we have something to cheer about. The fact was today, the performance from Mason and the lads were even worse than what we have seen from Mourinho and how could that be brushed under by arguments of we shouldn't even be here in the first place I don't know.

riggi · Apr 25, 2021

Archibald&Crooks said:
This again. Fucking hell.

The whole mentality of this club isn't geared toward winning, it's geared toward 'competing'. That's from the top so it's hardly surprising it filters down. He's happy that we're in with a shout, he's missed more than one opportunity to show he means business and wants to be a winner but no, 'competing' is enough, he's never understood the amount of kudos he'd have gotten if he actually went for it.

"Oh, but he's built a stadium/look where we were when he took over/be careful what you wish for"

The squad has been criminally neglected, we are the only club to ever go two consecutive transfer windows without making a signing. It's resulted in a decline of epic proportions.

"Oh, but he's built a stadium/look where we were when he took over/be careful what you wish for"

He's curls a 12 inch turd out on the chests of the fans and football in general, making us one of the 6 most hated clubs in England while he's at it, nobody wants to deal with him, the EPL are calling for his head, the Supporters are calling for his head and it's blatantly obvious that profit is king with him and ENIC

"Oh, but he's built a stadium/look where we were when he took over/be careful what you wish for"

All of us, pretty much all of us are so down on Spurs at the moment, there's nothing redeeming about us, the hope and joy, the enjoyment of watching us, all of it has been sucked out of us like a brass on crack sucking a pea through a smarties tube, the negativity surrounding us is monumental

"Oh, but he's built a stadium/look where we were when he took over/be careful what you wish for"

God forbid there's complaints because, yep, you guessed it......."Oh, but he's built a stadium/look where we were when he took over/be careful what you wish for"

Every time he gets criticised, one of his disciples crops up with it. Fuck that. Fuck it with a 24 inch dill covered in stinging nettles and ralgex

Fuck the stadium.

Seafordian Spurs · Apr 25, 2021

Teddy Klinsmann said:
We are owned by a man worth 14 billion.

He ain't interested in white washing/PR jobbing an entire regime dude.

'Uncle Joe' ain't nothing on the City owners. But you're right - they are dedicated to buying success unlike our soul sucking owners.

For them, success is the new stadium.

doctor stefan Freud · Apr 25, 2021

Trix said:
1-0 down in a cup final 10 minutes to go and we don't press the ball once. Piss poor. Only Dier,Toby and Hugo getting any credit whatsoever. Shackles off once Jose's gone? Do me a favour.

Yeah- we need an overhaul of the comprehensive sort. I know Dier gets a lot of shit (from me as much as anyone), but I’d prioritise flogging Sissoko and Winks over anyone else. Terrible players. Equally, we need a manager that can get us moving again- our transitional play was awful

Thenewcat · Apr 25, 2021

fortworthspur said:
Bale was useless.

It was the right sub to make at that moment though

EastLondonYid · Apr 25, 2021

Erm33 said:
If we gave it a fucking go I'd feel better about watching us lose like fucking mugs like we do every cup final since our last win. 8-1 or 1-0 the end result is the same. No cup at the end of it.

Ultimately what I can tell you with absolute certainty is if you don't put the ball in the back of the net you don't win shit. So my way of going at them to score a fucking goal had more chance of winning a cup at the end of it than sitting back waiting to get beat. Go 1-0 up and anything can happen. Sitting back at 0-0 is just waiting for defeat.

Rinse and repeat of all our big games. That's the small time mentality, trying not to get beat by too many cause you're not trying to win the game.

I hope you're enjoying your gutless 1-0 loss instead of being proud of the lads trying to get at city.....

Calm down dear.... sorry to inform you ,but you wrote you were happy with a goal...
Sorry if I missed the bit about you saying you wanted us to take the lead, probably because you didn't say that.

Anyway ,no worries, we are all upset, we just lost another final.

dbspurs · Apr 25, 2021

Wsussexspur said:
'Spurs cannot have Mason in charge next season'
FT: Man City 1-0 Tottenham

Chris Sutton
Former Premier League striker on BBC Radio 5 Live
Spurs cannot have Ryan Mason in charge next season. There is talk of Julian Nagelsmann - why on earth would he walk into this mess at Tottenham?
He could get the Bayern Munich job. Spurs are a big club but it looks like there is one hell of a rebuild after the mess that Jose Mourinho has left.
They have all the gear - a brand new stadium - but do they have a team that fits it?

I feel slightly sick in my mouth at agreeing with Chris Sutton.

daveduvet · Apr 25, 2021

I genuinely don’t give a monkeys about negative reps. But, what would be refreshing is to give a post as to why folk disagree. That way we can chew the fat. I’m more than happy to give in to argument that is valid; but a

is a poor substitute

Lifelong · Apr 25, 2021

Archibald&Crooks said:
This again. Fucking hell.

The whole mentality of this club isn't geared toward winning, it's geared toward 'competing'. That's from the top so it's hardly surprising it filters down. He's happy that we're in with a shout, he's missed more than one opportunity to show he means business and wants to be a winner but no, 'competing' is enough, he's never understood the amount of kudos he'd have gotten if he actually went for it.

"Oh, but he's built a stadium/look where we were when he took over/be careful what you wish for"

The squad has been criminally neglected, we are the only club to ever go two consecutive transfer windows without making a signing. It's resulted in a decline of epic proportions.

"Oh, but he's built a stadium/look where we were when he took over/be careful what you wish for"

He's curls a 12 inch turd out on the chests of the fans and football in general, making us one of the 6 most hated clubs in England while he's at it, nobody wants to deal with him, the EPL are calling for his head, the Supporters are calling for his head and it's blatantly obvious that profit is king with him and ENIC

"Oh, but he's built a stadium/look where we were when he took over/be careful what you wish for"

All of us, pretty much all of us are so down on Spurs at the moment, there's nothing redeeming about us, the hope and joy, the enjoyment of watching us, all of it has been sucked out of us like a brass on crack sucking a pea through a smarties tube, the negativity surrounding us is monumental

"Oh, but he's built a stadium/look where we were when he took over/be careful what you wish for"

God forbid there's complaints because, yep, you guessed it......."Oh, but he's built a stadium/look where we were when he took over/be careful what you wish for"

Every time he gets criticised, one of his disciples crops up with it. Fuck that. Fuck it with a 24 inch dill covered in stinging nettles and ralgex

I really wish with all my being that I could disagree with this....but unfortunately this has hit the biggest nail with a far bigger hammer full on.....the time has come..

UbeAstard · Apr 25, 2021

If theres any thought about missed opportunities -Ndomele or Bale starting, Man City chances, substitutions etc. The big one for me is Sky to get Mourinho on the analyst panel (tongue in cheek as he should decline out of respect), that would have been an interesting watch.

KingKay · Apr 25, 2021

Kind of a hollow feeling losing to a team that’s bought their success.

LSUY · Apr 25, 2021

Wsussexspur said:
'Spurs cannot have Mason in charge next season'
FT: Man City 1-0 Tottenham

Chris Sutton
Former Premier League striker on BBC Radio 5 Live
Spurs cannot have Ryan Mason in charge next season. There is talk of Julian Nagelsmann - why on earth would he walk into this mess at Tottenham?
He could get the Bayern Munich job. Spurs are a big club but it looks like there is one hell of a rebuild after the mess that Jose Mourinho has left.
They have all the gear - a brand new stadium - but do they have a team that fits it?

I'm struggling to see how Nagelsmann can watch us this season and think we're a challenge he's willing to take on. Why spend years rebuilding a club that has to sell to buy when he can walk into Bayern and immediately challenge for titles?

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