Joey barton
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3Dnata
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This post works on so many levels, what did I mean by it , we'll probably never know.Ain't Taraabt a Muzzie?
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PLTuck
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Apologies for the necro but this twat will never learn will he....
Joey Barton trial: Manager accused of Daniel Stendel attack - BBC News
Joey Barton trial: Manager accused of Daniel Stendel attack - BBC News
'O Zio
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The guy is just absolute scum.
It pissed me right off during that period before he went into management when everyone was fawning over him and talking about how intellectual he is just because he posted a few Morissey lyrics ffs. The guy is a fucking tool. Can't stand him
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Such a pleasant individual
Kingellesar
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What an absolute prick.
carmeldevil
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I was hoping he'd be capable of change, as he seems to be intelligent enough to conceptualise it. Been really disappointed in him in recent years, and can only hope this recent episode is more about his reputation rather than being true.
Always have hope that people with abusive childhoods can turn their lives away from repetition
'O Zio
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Never understood this thing about him being intelligent. Seems to be based almost entirely on the fact that he once posted some Morrissey lyrics on twitter.
The guy's a fucking scumbag and always has been.
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No, I think that would be defined as ignorance, if you'll forgive the term. If you don't have any familiarity then you won't know, but then it's a flawed concept to judge someone if you don't know much about them beyond the headlines.
He's articulate and possesses the ability to reflect on his own behaviour and personality. I don't particularly think he excuses or denies his behaviour, but tries to deny that it defines him (and appears to lose that battle).
I think there's a very important distinction, when condemning a person, between conscious decision making (e.g. someone who actively likes fighting, pre-meditates an attack) and reactive/unconscious decision making (e.g. the inability to control a part of your instinctive behaviour). I don't think mental health is very well covered off from a point of view of almost childhood PTSD - that is, repeating abusive behaviour.
This is a bit of further viewing to judge him a little more.
hellava_tough
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Didn't his brother or cousin murder someone in public with an axe?
Obviously, a very troubled (and dangerous) family set-up there.
Obviously, a very troubled (and dangerous) family set-up there.
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Both, I think. They ran off to amsterdam. His uncle was also murdered in a pub when he was 8.
If you grow up with violence as your normality, it's hard to 'untrain' that. You see it with victims of sexual abuse as children who become adults, too.
Problem will never go away if society doesn't stop condemning these things as actions made willingly, and address the root cause that is the environments kids are left alone to deal with. People often sit around and watch high-profile examples of it and just cast aspersions, instead of using it to drive understanding and change for younger generations who can still benefit/avoid that.
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Unfortunately, he obviously doesn't have the ability or enough desire to do anything about it. There's no excuse for a lot of the things he's done.
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I think ability is fair. Not so sure about desire. That implies that it's a conscious choice.. A bit like claiming someone depressed can't be bothered to be happy etc.
I think in future people will look at criminality as an effect of neglect on society a bit more - understanding that there are people who do things because they need resources/support they either have no access to, or no ability to ask for it themselves. People who do terrible things aren't necessarily terrible people (sometimes, but not automatically), but are simply victims of social neglect.
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