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chrisd2k

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There is a clear reason for that which is hard to explain without looking like I'm casting aspersions on others (which I'm definitely not doing here in my attempt to explain) Information is gleaned from different places and different people from within, or from the out looking in with connections. So the higher up or closer to the truth you are, you tend to get less filters of opinion thrown into the information and therefore non-emotive or speculative. There are so many different things happening at once and lots of things to share that it is all true-ish however not necessarily as accurate as things change all the time!
To summarize it's a game of Chinese whispers. We all know that. Whenever anyone gets info when they pass that on it always changes slightly with your own bias or opinion thrown in. Even unknowingly.

I said it last night. ITK is a version of events. Something to consider but don't base your whole outlook on it.
 

Timberwolf

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I see that united were willing to let Martial leave wouldn't he be a good addition to our squad?
I wouldn't take him at this point. He's hugely inconsistent, on massive wages and has the face of a slapped arse when he isn't playing - pretty sure he's had attitude problems over the years and is always moaning that he should play up front when he's not a no.9. Hard avoid.
 

luRRka

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I'm guessing this is the thread we're using to review the transfer window? because prepare for a novel :LOL:

Summer Window

I think if there's one thing we learnt last year it's that it's foolish to say whether a transfer window was good or bad when it closes and you need a large part of the season to see if the window has left the club heading in the right trajectory. So I'd say the feeling I have is that we'll look back on this summer as a mostly positive window.

I think I'd give it a 6.5/10, 3 points for a superb job on the outgoings, 3 points for the quality of the signings we did make and a cheeky .5 additional because signing Romero, I think on last season you'd argue he was among the best inform CB's in the world so that is a coup.

I think to get the remaining 3.5, I'd say 2 points weren't gained because there's still gaps in the squad and the remaining 1.5 I think would have been had we filled those gaps with a top top signing like the Vlahovic's and Martinez's of the world.

Positives

So I think largely a summer where it's a step in the right direction for the long term future of the club and it makes clear that this is a transitional season with expectations low. I think all of us were of course hoping that we'd really push the boat out in order to close the gap on the top 4's quality and it's a shame it didn't.

I think every single signing we made on paper looks a good signing, I don't think we signed any player we are underwhelmed by and I think in Romero, Gill, Gollini and Sarr that we have signed some massive potential. I think as I said above outgoings were superb and there's not a single player who left who fans will necessary be ruing even if a few cult favourites did have to depart, we were aggressive in that area.

Another positive is that vs Watford on Sunday there was a glaring problem which was Japhet being the man in that danger area and we went out and bought a player which means we can adjust our system and fix that issue so I like seeing that approach to our business.

Negatives

The way I was looking at the final week of business was that over the first 3 games I could see a few areas glowing red which could cause problems in our season, I liken them to bullets in the chamber. I thought with certain business we could get a few bullets out of so that the odds of our season suffering from them would be significantly lowered.

I'd say they are 1. Although Dier and Sanchez have started strong defensively (long may it continue), we would be taking a risk to think that their mistakes won't rear their ugly head over the course in the season. Both have shown that they can have a good run of games and then all of a sudden a mistake is made and they go on a bad run. Of course we have Romero but we will need at least one of these CB's to keep their form consistently. For me this was the lowest risk of them all and I'd back Nuno in this department due to his time at Valencia, if there was a risk to take in not doing business then not signing an additional CB I think was the one to take but it's still a risk worth highlighting. My hope is that Sanchez fulfils the promise that caused us to sign him in the first place.

2. Trusting Lo Celso and Ndombele to be our centre midfield creative spark. I've banged the give these guys a chance drum as hard as anybody this summer, I hope they come good, I mean I'm desperate for it quite frankly but the reality is it's a huge risk to trust that one of these two will finally use their undoubted ability to consistently be the top player in the middle of the park we need. I think signing Aouar would have just given us peace of mind and I was hoping we'd pull the trigger there. It's time for these two to come good.

3. The lack of an additional goalscorer. The big one for me. I would love nothing more than Dane Scarlett to come in and absolutely smash it but I'm really concerned by the pressure we'd be putting on those young shoulders. We really should have done some business in this area, I think there's little excuse for it quite frankly. We saw how Son and Kane got crowded out vs Watford because they're well aware they're our only threats. If one gets injured then we will end up running the other into the ground. The Christmas period is going to be grueling on them and we're banking on players coming good to alleviate the pressure on them. I think this will cost us a lot of points whether they're injured or not and for me this was the mistake of the summer.

So those are the 3 areas we need a lot of luck, we need Kane and Son to stay fit and not be burnt into the ground, we need our creative midfielders to come good and we need our defenders to consistently show the fine form they've done so far this season.

The only other hair in the soup for me was disappointment with Paratici, all this talk about being on the phone 24/7 and multiple deals and options and this and that and in the end, the same thing happened as it always does. We go big for a player early in the summer (martinez 70 million) We then go for a player out of our reach and then the money we had for Martinez disappeared when it was time to pay up for Traore (If that was because Nuno agreed that he wasn't worth that then I'm fine with that) And there was no back up option when that fell flat. I thought Paratici was going to bring in a Kvaratskhelia or something along those lines when Traore inevitably fell flat. Somebody who fans would feel was the cheap option but end up coming good but that didn't happen. So I think overall Paratici had a great summer with a lot of deals but just that final bit where there wasn't a creative option I thought that was a shame as I thought that would be the difference he'd make compared to previous years.

Nuno

Regardless of the negatives and to be use an annoying Cliche, he's the biggest signing of the summer reallly isn't he. A transfer window can only be judged relative to what is already in the squad. The squad looked awful last year but in a matter of weeks Nuno has improved individuals. They're so many players who are not fulfilling their potential at the moment in the forward areas. They're players who should be adding our creative spark, have the ability to add 10 goals to their game a season. I think we're pinning it all on Nuno to extract every drop out of this squad. I think he's already proving himself to be a man who gets more out of the squad than the sum of his parts and there's a lot of parts that we have that are yet to be properly integrated so let's see what he can do.

Squad balance

At the start of the summer I made a thread that although we spend a lot of money, we seem to spend it in a stupid way which creates an unbalanced squad. I was about ready with my kermit gif when we had 4 rb's and 3 lb's but we came to an agreement with Aurier and I think given the style of Davies and Tanganga, if we switch to a back 3 then it looks okay but clearly having 6 fb's and 1 senior striker is not a good squad balance. What I'd say is that I think we came a long way this window to making a dent in the problem and that we have to accept that during a transitional season that the squad will not be perfectly balanced.

Next summer with Kane going, I reckon Ndombele will come good and we'll cash in, I think next summer we will make some big moves and I don't expect next summer to be considered a transition, I expect us to have a well balanced squad.

Overall

So yeah positive window I feel, one we'll look back on in a couple of years and think wow that window was when we planted the seeds with the players carrying the team today. I think that I'm not expecting too much attacking football this season. I think this season Nuno will be working with a system which is more needs must, based on solidity and not conceding and forcing the goals to get us over the line. I was annoyed all summer that Levy wasn't sticking to what he laid out to the fans but what I've seen so far, makes me happy to be a spurs fan again. Being 1-0 up and pinning back watford instead of dropping back 20 yards, that's what I was after. I'm happy with a more robust system as long as we're trying to take the game to them rather than clinging on.

Anyway sorry for the novel, I needed this off of my mind and by writing it all out, I'm hoping it's gone now :LOL:
I would have put it in the summer transfer rating thread myself mate :ROFLMAO: :whistle:
 

daveduvet

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Shame we didn’t get Traore; Hope Gill gets some EPL games soon…and Royal turns out to be an exciting rwb… I’m more than ready to be entertained by our football .. been pretty dull football for last few years.. that’s why I wanted traore… but a decent-ish window: addressed two key areas and invested in some future stars hopefully. From a bit I gleaned yesterday something was said about Royal having topped stats of being in opposition penalty area more than any other Spanish league player? Cheers for ALL the input folks…and you @coopsieyid ****
 

chrisd2k

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I wouldn't take him at this point. He's hugely inconsistent, on massive wages and has the face of a slapped arse when he isn't playing - pretty sure he's had attitude problems over the years and is always moaning that he should play up front when he's not a no.9. Hard avoid.
Made of glass too and another stroppy bugger
 

phil

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I trust that you are all ware that we won't be seeing much of Romero, Sanchez, Lo Celso and, possibly, Emerson this season. They will be off playing World Cup qualifiers in red-zone countries in September, October, November, January, February and March. After each visit they face 10 days isolating in a hotel room without exercise/training facilities.
 

doctor stefan Freud

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I wouldn't take him at this point. He's hugely inconsistent, on massive wages and has the face of a slapped arse when he isn't playing - pretty sure he's had attitude problems over the years and is always moaning that he should play up front when he's not a no.9. Hard avoid.
Seriously overrated player
 

Tucker

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Dragon 1 on COYS re the last couple of days. Trigger warning, this makes for grim reading. (Apologies if already posted not spending hours reading through the thread this morning.)

We spent the last 48 hours of window desperately trying to shift Aurier or Doherty as Daniel would not sanction Emerson until one of them left

in the end when it was clear there were no takers we decided to cancel serge contract he was on 80k a week

as I said on Wednesday it was never going to be busy yesterday we could not get traore out of wolves and once the Tanguy to Lyon deal died it meant our business was finished

Tanguy is still here because there is no money in Europe , Daniel was not willing to take a huge haircut , he will not play until he is fit though

once Kane stayed we were never buying a striker , Daniel reduced the wage bill significantly this window and was never paying striker wages

re the signings , in Romero they feel they have bought the best available center half in the world that is why we paid over 40 million In a depressed market for him

we did the Emerson deal as we worry about tanganga making it through a 50 game season and neither Doherty or serge are up to it , we had agreed a 14 million fee for TOmayasu then they moved goalposts up to 17 million , we may still have done the deal but par viewed Emerson as better business for 25 million

The only other player who may have gone was winks but he loves it at spurs and is happy to be a squad player , no one offered more than 12 million so we were happy to keep him
 
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I think the whole irony of Traore was that before we played Wolves, only the minority wanted him. He had a great game and convinced our lot he was good, and then solidified it against Man Utd... but he also convinced Wolves he was too good to let go.

If he had been shite, we'd have him, but I can guarantee people would have whinged about it ("he's shite, he's not a forward"), so there was never going to be a scenario where Wolves let him go and everyone was happy on here tbh
 

tiger666

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Dragon 1 on COYS re the last couple of days. Trigger warning, this makes for grim reading. (Apologies if already posted not spending hours reading through the thread this morning.)

We spent the last 48 hours of window desperately trying to shift Aurier or Doherty as Daniel would not sanction Emerson until one of them left

in the end when it was clear there were no takers we decided to cancel serge contract he was on 80k a week

as I said on Wednesday it was never going to be busy yesterday we could not get traore out of wolves and once the Tanguy to Lyon deal died it meant our business was finished

Tanguy is still here because there is no money in Europe , Daniel was not willing to take a huge haircut , he will not play until he is fit though

once Kane stayed we were never buying a striker , Daniel reduced the wage bill significantly this window and was never paying striker wages

re the signings , in Romero they feel they have bought the best available center half in the world that is why we paid over 40 million In a depressed market for him

we did the Emerson deal as we worry about tanganga making it through a 50 game season and neither Doherty or serge are up to it , we had agreed a 14 million fee for TOmayasu then they moved goalposts up to 17 million , we may still have done the deal but par viewed Emerson as better business for 25 million

The only other player who may have gone was winks but he loves it at spurs and is happy to be a squad player , no one offered more than 12 million so we were happy to keep him

I fail to see what's grim about it?
 

chas vs dave

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I keep hearing people say that we are short of players, and the squad is imbalanced. Bar Chelsea and utd, this could be thrown at any other club in the league, imo
 

T-Bone

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On Dragons info....as long as Daniel knows by greatly reducing our wage bill this window he has also greatly reduced our chances of making top 4 then fine, and if we dont make it that he is to blame and not others
 

robspur

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Ndombele and Gil say hello.
Yes, you’re right but N’Dom hasn’t played as he doesn’t fit the profile or the effort required.

Re: Gio - I think he does fit the Solid/Industrious profile - we just haven’t seen enough of it consistently yet. Annoying he should be the one for us as he does have some creative guile as well. He just has a low health rating and consistency just isn’t there!
 
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