FORMER Manager Watch: Nuno Espírito Santo

Albertbarich · Oct 4, 2021

Aphex said:

Waiting for poch.

Ornstein added that the club are denying this clause exists by the way

Aphex · Oct 4, 2021

Albertbarich said:
Waiting for poch.

Ornstein added that the club are denying this clause exists by the way

I guess the club would as it would undermine the manager in the eyes of players and fans...

freeeki · Oct 4, 2021

Aphex said:
I haven't watched the game, I am going to do that this afternoon with the sky repeats, but I am happy that everyone seems more positive about the performance.

Early days, not to take anything away from Nuno but we were so rancid last week, it's going to take a while to get over that NLD. One could say a reaction by the players in front of the home crowd was quite likely to happen, I want to see what we are like in our next away game. I think so far it's the away games under Nuno where we have been particuarly dreadful. Palace away, NLD, Wolves away, Portgual away, france away.

Is he able to get some consistent performances out of the squad? remains to be seen.

What I can say is he is starting to pick the correct team in the correct formation, but it begs the question wtf was he playing at in the first two months of the season?

It does, but if things continue to improve and team selections / set-ups continue to be largely correct, then the mitigating factors we're all aware of will carry more weight when it comes to retrospectively explaining our shit start to the season.

littlewilly · Oct 4, 2021

He picked a team that was close to one nearly every man and his dog would have picked. I’m not going to give him any credit for that.

Aphex · Oct 4, 2021

freeeki said:
It does, but if things continue to improve and team selections / set-ups continue to be largely correct, then the mitigating factors we're all aware of will carry more weight when it comes to retrospectively explaining our shit start to the season.

Yeah for sure, that would be taken into consideration.

Trix · Oct 4, 2021

Aphex said:
What I can say is he is starting to pick the correct team in the correct formation, but it begs the question wtf was he playing at in the first two months of the season?

I think it's like he said, it's about getting the balance right between defence and attack. IMO he's been told he has to pick an attacking side and play front foot football and he's gone with a formation that best shows that in 4-3-3. Problem is we don't have the midfield to play that way. 4-2-3-1 is a formation that suits us, the players understand it, and is a little stronger from a defensive pov. This should be the system we use going forward imo. No point setting up like Liverpool, CIty, Chelsea etc when we don't have the right players to do so.

Monkey boy · Oct 4, 2021

littlewilly said:
He picked a team that was close to one nearly every man and his dog would have picked. I’m not going to give him any credit for that.

Not necessarily, a lot of people were banging the 3-5-2 drum and also asking for GLC for Tanguy so you have to give him some credit for getting the team and the tactics spot on yesterday.

idontgetit · Oct 4, 2021

Trix said:
I think it's like he said, it's about getting the balance right between defence and attack. IMO he's been told he has to pick an attacking side and play front foot football and he's gone with a formation that best shows that in 4-3-3. Problem is we don't have the midfield to play that way. 4-2-3-1 is a formation that suits us, the players understand it, and is a little stronger from a defensive pov. This should be the system we use going forward imo. No point setting up like Liverpool, CIty, Chelsea etc when we don't have the right players to do so.

We have problems in both a 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 with rotating the squad. You can play Skipp, N'dombele and Lo Celso in three but can only rotate the CDM with a good option. You can play 4-2-3-1 but Skipp and PEH are the only good options for the pivot, perhaps Lo Celso but you then have to change not only your CM but also your CAM and increase the disruption to the side.

Considering the lack of form from N'dombele the 4-2-3-1 is the way to go for now but once Skipp or PEH need resting I'm a lot less confident in it.

littlewilly · Oct 4, 2021

Trix said:
I think it's like he said, it's about getting the balance right between defence and attack. IMO he's been told he has to pick an attacking side and play front foot football and he's gone with a formation that best shows that in 4-3-3. Problem is we don't have the midfield to play that way. 4-2-3-1 is a formation that suits us, the players understand it, and is a little stronger from a defensive pov. This should be the system we use going forward imo. No point setting up like Liverpool, CIty, Chelsea etc when we don't have the right players to do so.

I agree, so why would you dislike my post.? There was a huge consensus on here about going with PEH and Skipp; and many, many advocated dropping Dele in favour of either Tanguay or Gio. Most of us saw this three or four games ago but it seemed to take our manager a few thrashings before he did.

Japhet · Oct 4, 2021

Trix said:
I think it's like he said, it's about getting the balance right between defence and attack. IMO he's been told he has to pick an attacking side and play front foot football and he's gone with a formation that best shows that in 4-3-3. Problem is we don't have the midfield to play that way. 4-2-3-1 is a formation that suits us, the players understand it, and is a little stronger from a defensive pov. This should be the system we use going forward imo. No point setting up like Liverpool, CIty, Chelsea etc when we don't have the right players to do so.

I think it will be a 'horses for courses' approach. Villa were in good form and Nuno went for a robust pivot with some creative flair. Skipp will pick up a ban soon enough and then we largely lose that option and I think he might go for a flatter CM3 depending on who we are playing. I hope he keeps it flexible and doesn't continue to batter away with an ineffective midfield setup like Mourinho did, and just because something worked doesn't mean it's set in stone.

Trix · Oct 4, 2021

littlewilly said:
I agree, so why would you dislike my post.? There was a huge consensus on here about going with PEH and Skipp; and many, many advocated dropping Dele in favour of either Tanguay or Gio. Most of us saw this three or four games ago but it seemed to take our manager a few thrashings before he did.

Because he does deserve some credit for changing things around and getting things right. In general fans make their decisions knowing nothing about what's going on behind the scenes. Coaches and managers have to take far far more things into account than "this is the best team on paper".

Trix · Oct 4, 2021

Japhet said:
I think it will be a 'horses for courses' approach. Villa were in good form and Nuno went for a robust pivot with some creative flair. Skipp will pick up a ban soon enough and then we largely lose that option and I think he might go for a flatter CM3 depending on who we are playing. I hope he keeps it flexible and doesn't continue to batter away with an ineffective midfield like Mourinho did, and just because something worked doesn't mean it's set in stone.

In time maybe, lets get some stability, consistency and belief behind us first. Once the back four gel and learn each others games we may well be able to play different formations, but until then we need to have a steady approach the players all understand.

littlewilly · Oct 4, 2021

Trix said:
Because he does deserve some credit for changing things around and getting things right. In general fans make their decisions knowing nothing about what's going on behind the scenes. Coaches and managers have to take far far more things into account than "this is the best team on paper".

Fair enough and I agree he deserves a little slack. I would be grateful though if you would give an example of what might have happened behind the scenes that saw him continuing with Dele on the left of a three man midfield. I believe he should have made a better judgement three or four games ago.

Delboy75 · Oct 4, 2021

Sounds like he’s barely above a caretaker tbh quite surprised he accepted those terms when he had other PL clubs interested although not as big as us.

fishhhandaricecake · Oct 4, 2021

idontgetit said:
We have problems in both a 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 with rotating the squad. You can play Skipp, N'dombele and Lo Celso in three but can only rotate the CDM with a good option. You can play 4-2-3-1 but Skipp and PEH are the only good options for the pivot, perhaps Lo Celso but you then have to change not only your CM but also your CAM and increase the disruption to the side.

Considering the lack of form from N'dombele the 4-2-3-1 is the way to go for now but once Skipp or PEH need resting I'm a lot less confident in it.

It’s the best for now, worry about injuries and players needing rests further down the line.

But agree that the balance of the midfield depth could do with improving in this set-up.

RDM: PEH (Winks)
LCM: Skipp (Lo Celso can play there as a 6 if needed) *Sarr to come in from next season*
CAM: Ndombele (GLC,Dele)

fishhhandaricecake · Oct 4, 2021

Delboy75 said:
Sounds like he’s barely above a caretaker tbh quite surprised he accepted those terms when he had other PL clubs interested although not as big as us.

I thought Palace and Everton turned him down tbh / went for other options in Vieria and Rafa but I could be wrong.

Gb160 · Oct 4, 2021

Aphex said:

ITK bitches !

Gb160 said:
My guess is Nuno was always a short term appointment.
IMO Levy wants Poch, who will likely be available in the summer if he doesn’t win the CL. And I’d wager Nuno can be tin-tacked for fuck all if we dont finish top 4.

brasil_spur · Oct 4, 2021

13VanDerBale13 said:
Good response today & style, needs to keep it up & not revert back to playing Dele or switching things up too much.

Agreed. And he addressed the problems we all say last season in his line-up:

Need a proper RB - Emerson in.
Need to replace Sanchez - Romero in.
Need 2 x DMs - Skipp in.
Need to drop Dele - done.

Personally I would have gone a step further and dropped Ndombele for Gil, but I can see why he was giving a chance and if he can keep up that level of intensity then I'm happy for him to be in most starting line-ups.

Japhet · Oct 4, 2021

Trix said:
In time maybe, lets get some stability, consistency and belief behind us first. Once the back four gel and learn each others games we may well be able to play different formations, but until then we need to have a steady approach the players all understand.

As I said though, we will have a Skipp ban to deal with pretty soon and he has been excellent defensively in general. Without a 'like for like' player to come in, I think we could well need a formation tweak to deal with his absence. Lo Celso could possibly step in but Skipp has a much more defensive mind set and I think a flatter CM3 might be necessary.

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