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Luis Diaz signs for Liverpool

May 17, 2018
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Sorry did you just say their success is down to luck?

From an ownership point of view, yes. How did FSG influence an armpit penalty in the CL final?
How did they somehow convince Bournemouth and Barcelona to buy shite off them for double or triple the market value?

All it would take is the flap of a butterfly's wings for Liverpool to be back where they were in a different timeline, still under Klopp and still with a lot of the same players finishing in the same positions we are.

What have they done to influence that? It's not through investment or transfer strategy, because they've wasted money on crap and dawdled on players just the same. They've failed to support Klopp in windows.
 
May 17, 2018
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They gamble with their money more and it’s paid off. We are stable but have stagnated a bit. It’s probably about time the club puts its balls on the table and takes a chance at things. Audere est facile, hope the club looks to it’s own motto in the coming days.

I couldn't disagree more. We've spent more and gambled more - that's why we're trying to shift £100m worth of players that were coups at the time, but have been nothing but expensive errors.

We're trying for the same player here - same gamble, just different lure.
 

Tucker

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Why isn't this line trotted out for our how we are run?

Liverpool's owners have tighter wallets, and don't have a modern stadium. They've only just moved training ground.

Apart from luck, what do their owners do that makes them so superior?

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I look at Liverpool and see a similar club to us. They spend within their means, like you say, they’ve had the rub of the green, we haven’t.

It gives me hope that with the right additions we can compete.
 

Aphex

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From an ownership point of view, yes. How did FSG influence an armpit penalty in the CL final?
How did they somehow convince Bournemouth and Barcelona to buy shite off them for double or triple the market value?

All it would take is the flap of a butterfly's wings for Liverpool to be back where they were in a different timeline, still under Klopp and still with a lot of the same players finishing in the same positions we are.

What have they done to influence that? It's not through investment or transfer strategy, because they've wasted money on crap and dawdled on players just the same. They've failed to support Klopp in windows.

This fundamentally wrong. Their scouting and recruitment has been exceptional. They have backed Klopp with key signings when it matters (VVD, Allisson) plus recruited basically their whole side, Robertson, Wijnaldjum, Salah, Mane, Firminio, etc etc all great signings for little money.

Every club signs crap, but some clubs get it right far more than wrong, and Liverpool are an example of this. That is how they won major trophies, plus appointed a great coach and DOF. You can't say it's luck, they make their own luck with great decison making.
 

piedpiper

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Bid accepted anyway. Medical being done in South America.

So all but done
Thanks Mate.... never heard of him previously. So I'm not disappointed etc. Just wanted to see what was going on.

As a club we must just go back to the drawing board. Have a clear out of players deemed surplus to requirements and start from scratch it's of greater importance that we have a sound strategy in how we recruit/ move on players going forward than having a scatter gun approach.

If Conte or anyone else is too impatient to be involved in that then so be it. We've reached the CL and final before... well get CL again if we plan accordingly.

Apologies to all for going off topic in the Diaz thread... a player I never knew existed before Monday.
 

Spursmatty87

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Ok no problem we’ve lost out on this one, I expect we just move on to the next target as don Fabio has 10 deals lined up and we have £60m to spend. Happy days.
 

JeremyPaxton

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This fundamentally wrong. Their scouting and recruitment has been exceptional. They have backed Klopp with key signings when it matters (VVD, Allisson) plus recruited basically their whole side, Robertson, Wijnaldjum, Salah, Mane, Firminio, etc etc all great signings for little money.

Every club signs crap, but some clubs get it right far more than wrong, and Liverpool are an example of this. That is how they won major trophies, plus appointed a great coach and DOF. You can't say it's luck, they make their own luck with great decison making.
They’ve also sold well: Coutinho for 120m and: Wilson, Grujic (who?), Brewster, Hoever, Lovren, Ings, Solanke & Ward went for 10+mil since 2018. They even got 8m for Mignolet.
Meanwhile we didn’t sell Dele and Dier when ManU were in for them for 40-50m each.
 

rossdapep

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This fundamentally wrong. Their scouting and recruitment has been exceptional. They have backed Klopp with key signings when it matters (VVD, Allisson) plus recruited basically their whole side, Robertson, Wijnaldjum, Salah, Mane, Firminio, etc etc all great signings for little money.

Every club signs crap, but some clubs get it right far more than wrong, and Liverpool are an example of this. That is how they won major trophies, plus appointed a great coach and DOF. You can't say it's luck, they make their own luck with great decison making.
They do seem to make 'smart' signings.

They don't often spend huge amounts of money on players unless those players have already proven themselves to a degree.

Van Dijk = I know this is an extreme example but because he'd been stellar at Southampton, they were prepared to go really high for him.
Allison = Had been very good in the CL and had shown to be very competent, he wasn't simply a good shot stopper they took a lot into consideration before snapping him up.

Mane / Wijnaldum = They'd both performed excellently in the PL for smaller clubs and shown to have quality. Didn't spend too much on either.

Even the likes of Shaqiri and Origi have allowed them to pad the squad out giving a rest to others from time to time. Not difficult to shift on either.
 

Trent Crimm

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Its embarrassing the way their fans have gone after FSG.

They are much better ran than ourselves.

They've signed Jota, Thiago, Konate and now Diaz with some youth coming through too.

They got to the position they are in by making smart decisions and nailing down their place at the top.

They are a real sports group. Not an investment Company dabbling in football. We are just part of a portfolio.
 

yido_number1

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Ok no problem we’ve lost out on this one, I expect we just move on to the next target as don Fabio has 10 deals lined up and we have £60m to spend. Happy days.
Im sure we'll want to now save these funds for the next transfer window when it will be easier to sign the world class stars that Levy craves. After all is he is looking for that marquee signing to really make the stadium and club appeal to right companies for the naming rights.

Problem is its always the next window we are looking to do this in and never the current one.

I don't care about signing the most expensive high profile names in the market. I didn't even know who this guy was until we were linked. What I do think we should have done this window is scouted out options for the positions we desperately need cover for and gone and done it. Cm is woeful, CB is an injury away from two own goals and a defensive mistake costing us a place in the league cup final and with one injury to son and Kane we are woefully short of goals.

Why can't we just scout properly and have enough options available to improve the squad in some possible way. We've got worse every window since we let dembele go. How is that even possible.
 

spurs mental

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Why isn't this line trotted out for our how we are run?

Liverpool's owners have tighter wallets, and don't have a modern stadium. They've only just moved training ground.

Apart from luck, what do their owners do that makes them so superior?

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They're far bigger than us worldwide, they have multiple LFC stores over here in Ireland as it is, there isnt even a Man Utd one. Their world marketing likely brings in a lot more than us, although I'm open to correction if this isn't the case.

They spent the Coutinho money remarkably well as well. They may not have a modern stadium but its full every week and turn players who aren't good enough out a lot quicker than we have done.

They're well run and haven't had the upheaval we've had since 2019. Before Klopp arrived they were a mess.
 
May 17, 2018
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This fundamentally wrong. Their scouting and recruitment has been exceptional. They have backed Klopp with key signings when it matters (VVD, Allisson) plus recruited basically their whole side, Robertson, Wijnaldjum, Salah, Mane, Firminio, etc etc all great signings for little money.

Every club signs crap, but some clubs get it right far more than wrong, and Liverpool are an example of this. That is how they won major trophies, plus appointed a great coach and DOF. You can't say it's luck, they make their own luck with great decison making.

Cherry picking at its finest.

You could spend a few minutes on RAWK and see that all of your opinions here are just casual/tourist syndrome. You're only seeing what you want to see.

Last season they had didn't defend the title because they had no defenders, and they gave him a lad from Preston who cost £500k and Tsimikas.

If that was happening on here, you'd never hear the last of it - and yet you don't mention it.
 

barry

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They’ve also sold well: Coutinho for 120m and: Wilson, Grujic (who?), Brewster, Hoever, Lovren, Ings, Solanke & Ward went for 10+mil since 2018. They even got 8m for Mignolet.
Meanwhile we didn’t sell Dele and Dier when ManU were in for them for 40-50m each.
That's being a bit disingenuous. Bar Coutinho, who was sold for mega bucks, the rest were all unwanted. Dier and Dele were in our first team. If they had moved, and brought success to their new clubs you'd be saying we're a selling club. Can't win situation
 

tommo84

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Aug 15, 2005
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The fact that we’re wasting weeks and months on players who would rather join other interested parties is further evidence that our scouting and due diligence on transfer targets is beyond amateurish. Whether it’s the crap players we have signed like Emerson or GLC, the talented players with major attitude flaws like Ndombele, or those who simply don’t want to come, we’re still always looking in the wrong places. Until that changes, any money we do spend is just money pissed up the wall on a dud who we won’t be able to shift.
 
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