Luis Diaz signs for Liverpool

Aphex · Jan 28, 2022

sausage said:
Cherry picking at its finest.

You could spend a few minutes on RAWK and see that all of your opinions here are just casual/tourist syndrome. You're only seeing what you want to see.

Last season they had didn't defend the title because they had no defenders, and they gave him a lad from Preston who cost £500k and Tsimikas.

If that was happening on here, you'd never hear the last of it - and yet you don't mention it.

Yes they aren’t perfect but the way their club is run and their scouting and recruitment is far better than ours. How are you missing the point? I see you’ve moved away from your claim it’s purely luck.

You reference RAWK which is full of entitled spoilt fans. You’re in denial.

They are a far better run club than us and the reason they are beating us to players like Dias is a result of their excellent decision making over the last five years or so.

sausage · Jan 28, 2022

Aphex said:
You reference RAWK which is full of entitled spoilt fans

Nick-TopSpursMan · Jan 28, 2022

Liverpool are incredible at recruitment. Klopp knows exactly the types of players to sign and what works in the PL.

He fills the attack with pace, agility, dribbling ability etc. Mane, Salah, Jota, Firmino, now DIaz.

He knows exactly what positions to strengthen and when, he knows how to phase players out and bring new ones in like he's done with Jota/Firmino.

Sure, they make some mistakes along the way but 90% of the time they get it bang on.

He is a mastermind and Pool follow his plan to perfection.

Aphex · Jan 28, 2022

sausage said:
At one point last season people were genuinely asking if they were at risk of relegation.

From PL & CL winners to a fear of relegation. FSG did nothing of any ambition. When they turned it around, it wasn't due to FSG, or a plan - it was independent of that.

If Liverpool go for Luis Diaz, it will be because they've been scared into jumping for it. It might work out, it might be a disaster - but they have been dawdling much, much longer than us.

What on earth are you talking about? ?

Aphex · Jan 28, 2022

Nick-TopSpursMan said:
Liverpool are incredible at recruitment. Klopp knows exactly the types of players to sign and what works in the PL.

He fills the attack with pace, agility, dribbling ability etc. Mane, Salah, Jota, Firmino, now DIaz.

He knows exactly what positions to strengthen and when, he knows how to phase players out and bring new ones in like he's done with Jota/Firmino.

Sure, they make some mistakes along the way but 90% of the time they get it bang on.

He is a mastermind and Pool follow his plan to perfection.

No apparently it’s pure luck.

It’s not all Klopp either. Scouting and analysis plus his coaching and eye for a player.

Wadec · Jan 28, 2022

If these deals have taught us anything it is we need to stop being the smallest big fish and be the shark in the next pool down.

Leipzig & Dortmund do this brilliantly and I think we will have a lot more success doing that at the moment.

Diaz would have been superb as would Traore and Vlahovic IMO (not expecting them all). But everyone has been taken by a more appealing club than us.

sausage · Jan 28, 2022

Aphex said:
What on earth are you talking about? ?

Clearly you pay not attention to Liverpool other than a blind assumption that the grass is greener.

This was how Liverpool's 2021 started, and they were not in a good place at all.

This was their Winter window, for such a "well run club"

You claim that RAWK is full of "entitled spoilt" fans, but here you are throwing a tantrum because we're not signing players ahead of CL winning teams.

double0 · Jan 28, 2022

Have serious doubts we'll agree a fee for Diaz or have enough time to conclude such a deal. We move at such a snails pace, it's more likely this deal will fall through and for us to revisit in the summer unfortunately get gazumpted. This story has been written loads of time at Spurs... We were lead to believe the stadium will ensure better investments.

On a positive note as this is written there's still time for loan deals etc to be done.

Klinsmannic · Jan 28, 2022

sausage said:
At one point last season people were genuinely asking if they were at risk of relegation.

From PL & CL winners to a fear of relegation. FSG did nothing of any ambition. When they turned it around, it wasn't due to FSG, or a plan - it was independent of that.

If Liverpool go for Luis Diaz, it will be because they've been scared into jumping for it. It might work out, it might be a disaster - but they have been dawdling much, much longer than us.

Sorry, nobody was talking about Liverpool going down. Their lowest league position that year was 7th, and they ended up finishing 3rd.

Source:

LFC Premier League Season Analysis and Comparison - Anfield Online

www.anfield-online.co.uk

SecretLemonadeDrinker · Jan 28, 2022

Nick-TopSpursMan said:
Liverpool are incredible at recruitment. Klopp knows exactly the types of players to sign and what works in the PL.

He fills the attack with pace, agility, dribbling ability etc. Mane, Salah, Jota, Firmino, now DIaz.

He knows exactly what positions to strengthen and when, he knows how to phase players out and bring new ones in like he's done with Jota/Firmino.

Sure, they make some mistakes along the way but 90% of the time they get it bang on.

He is a mastermind and Pool follow his plan to perfection.

The credit for Liverpool's recruitment success belongs more to Michael Edwards than it does to Klopp.

Cornpattbuck · Jan 28, 2022

Wadec said:
If these deals have taught us anything it is we need to stop being the smallest big fish and be the shark in the next pool down.

Leipzig & Dortmund do this brilliantly and I think we will have a lot more success doing that at the moment.

Diaz would have been superb as would Traore and Vlahovic IMO (not expecting them all). But everyone has been taken by a more appealing club than us.

I completely agree but when we sign the likes of Reggy, Bergwijn, Gil, Royal etc or even try to blood youngsters like Skipp, a very vocal part of our fan base are straight on their backs at the first sniff of a poor performance. ?

We seem to have a significant proportion of people who want to have their cake and eat it, and I'm not really sure what we do about that... ??‍

spurs-r-us · Jan 28, 2022

Porto wanted Liverpool to pay up and played us like a fiddle. How anyone sees it as anything else is beyond me. Especially given it seems like Paratici talks a lot to some members of the Italian press about his plans.

Will wait and see what happens before deadline day but i’m very, very underwhelmed by our new Director so far. On a limited budget we’ve bought a right back who has lost his spot to a guy that could barely make the bench, a slight winger who barely gets minutes (yes he’ll be good one day, but we have so many holes in the team as it is), a back up keeper who isn’t up to it and, fingers crossed and to his credit, a fantastic centre back.

Cornpattbuck · Jan 28, 2022

SecretLemonadeDrinker said:
The credit for Liverpool's recruitment success belongs more to Michael Edwards than it does to Klopp.

The Michael Edwards who was poached from...? ?

TheAmerican · Jan 28, 2022

sausage said:
I couldn't disagree more. We've spent more and gambled more - that's why we're trying to shift £100m worth of players that were coups at the time, but have been nothing but expensive errors.

We're trying for the same player here - same gamble, just different lure.

Their spend on transfers and wages compared to their revenue says otherwise, they have spent significantly further beyond their means than we have. I'm not complaining, btw, as I'm curious to see what happens before the end of the window. But, my point is that they've went all in to be successful and it's worked out for them thus far.

Guntz · Jan 28, 2022

Liverpool's recent success is all down to their DOF Michael Edwards & his scouting team.

Nothing to do with FSG.

wrd · Jan 28, 2022

Archibald&Crooks said:
No, don't read anything into it other than me clutching at straws

I just genuinely think it's strange

Do you remember when we was in for Ross Barkley, we were nearly there then Chelsea came in, he had 6 months left on his deal and an injury at the time and he went down to chelsea for a medical, they then strangely didn't sign him and 6 months later he joins for free.

Makes you wonder if similar is afoot in terms of asking him to wait but we'll see.

Aphex · Jan 28, 2022

sausage said:
Clearly you pay not attention to Liverpool other than a blind assumption that the grass is greener.

This was how Liverpool's 2021 started, and they were not in a good place at all.

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This was their Winter window, for such a "well run club"

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You claim that RAWK is full of "entitled spoilt" fans, but here you are throwing a tantrum because we're not signing players ahead of CL winning teams.

They finished third ffs.

The grass is greener at Liverpool, you are in absolute denial it's comical.

How can you put in "qoutations"that they are a well run club, like they aren't. You are coming across just bitter.

RAWK is self entitled because they won a PL and CL and still moan.

It's a bit different from us, one league cup in 20 years and sliding back from CL to the conference league and our squad is a mess.

Jesus man.

Shanks · Jan 28, 2022

Aphex said:
What on earth are you talking about? ?

It’s different though, same for Ferguson for all those years - needing an additional player to fall into 1 system that’s imbedded into a club culture is way easier than trying to bring in lots whilst changing or adapting that culture. The funding also helps, a club like Liverpool (global club), much easier pull too.

not to discredit their recruitment, just saying it’s not comparable to us or many other clubs (Chelsea, United, city and Liverpool are on a different level).

SecretLemonadeDrinker · Jan 28, 2022

spurs-r-us said:
Porto wanted Liverpool to pay up and played us like a fiddle. How anyone sees it as anything else is beyond me. Especially given it seems like Paratici talks a lot to some members of the Italian press about his plans.

Will wait and see what happens before deadline day but i’m very, very underwhelmed by our new Director so far. On a limited budget we’ve bought a right back who has lost his spot to a guy that could barely make the bench, a slight winger who barely gets minutes (yes he’ll be good one day, but we have so many holes in the team as it is), a back up keeper who isn’t up to it and, fingers crossed and to his credit, a fantastic centre back.

I've seen this said numerous times this morning. And it's bollocks.

We weren't "played". We made a bid for a player. That is all. Paratici would have known very well that there was always a danger that a bigger club would enter the fray at the last minute. But does that mean that we shouldn't even have tried?

Fucksake..........damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

sausage · Jan 28, 2022

Klinsmannic said:
Sorry, nobody was talking about Liverpool going down. Their lowest league position that year was 7th, and they ended up finishing 3rd.

Source:

LFC Premier League Season Analysis and Comparison - Anfield Online

www.anfield-online.co.uk

They were - I'm not going to go hunting down a load of references, but everything started to look like a clone of how he left Dortmund.

Their lowest position wasn't 7th at all - after the fulham loss, in March, they were 8th on 43 points after 28 games. So 10 games left, with a run of 10 points from their previous 10 games. Whilst they weren't likely to get caught up in that battle, they were in the same position we were with Poch, but in the final 1/4 of the season, rather than the first.

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