The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - POST MORTEM - 1st February 2022

Freddie · Feb 2, 2022

PCozzie said:
Struggling to understand why Mendes needed to 'oversee' the transfer when Diaz already has an agent who presumably dealt with Liverpool when they made their offer. What sort of a hold does this bloke have over clubs? I (half) jokingly referred to it as a protection racket elsewhere earlier in the window. I'm not sure I should have been joking now.

Was wondering this too, especially when it just sounds like another guy who we'd need to pay (and probably not an insignificant amount). He hasn't done anything good for us yet.

Marty · Feb 2, 2022

Tucker said:
What they said in the Athletic:

“The closest and most significant of the latter was Luis Diaz, whom The Athletic can reveal Tottenham had a signed agreement in place with Porto for him to join. The deal was believed to be for €45 million (£37.6 million) plus €15 million (£12.5 million) in add-ons, with terms also agreed with Diaz himself.

However, Diaz being away on international duty meant that the agreement wasn’t yet signed by the time it was essentially thought to have been vetoed by his Colombian agent. The representative in question is said by sources to have objected when it became apparent that Jorge Mendes had the mandate from Porto to oversee the Tottenham move. Liverpool, who were not using Mendes as an intermediary, pounced and agreed a deal at more or less the same price. The Athletic has contacted the Colombian agent for comment.

Spurs chairman Daniel Levy, who did everything he could to pull off the deal, was raging at the turn of events. Diaz had been enthusiastic at the prospect of joining Spurs, and some believe it would have been a better move for him given the stage of his career, but ultimately, he too was seduced by the prospect of Champions League football and working with Jurgen Klopp. Sources have indicated that Barcelona were also in for the winger and prepared to pay €5 million (£4.2 million) upfront followed by €50 million (£41.8 million) in the summer.”

I found this a bit confusing tbh.

Why were Porto using Mendes as an intermediary to do the deal with us, but not with Liverpool? Was that specifically at our (Paratici's) request?

Freddie · Feb 2, 2022

BedfordshireSpud said:
There were slimy people like Mendes when I worked in contracting, we always said that to do the dirty once was down to him but to do it twice was down to us. It’s the clubs like Wolves I feel sorry for. They may do reasonably in the short term but they will always be his feeder club.

We've done terribly out of him in the short-term...can it get worse?!

Wonder if he was responsible for the Traore deal dragging on all month too.

thekneaf · Feb 2, 2022

Marty said:
I found this a bit confusing tbh.

Why were Porto using Mendes as an intermediary to do the deal with us, but not with Liverpool? Was that specifically at our (Paratici's) request?

Reading what's been shared here, Mendes told Liverpool what we were planning. This furious Colombian agent seems like a red herring.

Freddie · Feb 2, 2022

Tucker said:
What they said in the Athletic:

“The closest and most significant of the latter was Luis Diaz, whom The Athletic can reveal Tottenham had a signed agreement in place with Porto for him to join. The deal was believed to be for €45 million (£37.6 million) plus €15 million (£12.5 million) in add-ons, with terms also agreed with Diaz himself.

However, Diaz being away on international duty meant that the agreement wasn’t yet signed by the time it was essentially thought to have been vetoed by his Colombian agent. The representative in question is said by sources to have objected when it became apparent that Jorge Mendes had the mandate from Porto to oversee the Tottenham move. Liverpool, who were not using Mendes as an intermediary, pounced and agreed a deal at more or less the same price. The Athletic has contacted the Colombian agent for comment.

Spurs chairman Daniel Levy, who did everything he could to pull off the deal, was raging at the turn of events. Diaz had been enthusiastic at the prospect of joining Spurs, and some believe it would have been a better move for him given the stage of his career, but ultimately, he too was seduced by the prospect of Champions League football and working with Jurgen Klopp. Sources have indicated that Barcelona were also in for the winger and prepared to pay €5 million (£4.2 million) upfront followed by €50 million (£41.8 million) in the summer.”

'Broke' Barca were willing to pay more than everyone else? The club that couldn't afford to register any new players and yet have Dembele, Aubameyang, BRATHWAITE, Luuk de Jong, Memphis, Adama Traore, Ansu Fati AND Ferran Torres, and still paying Griezmann and Coutinho, decided they need to sign another attacker?? I fucking give up

tottenhamlad · Feb 2, 2022

To be honest i am not even sure why the ITK thread allows comments full stop?

Couldn't it just be took the the player threads.

This year it seemed the ITK could be commented on but only in a positive manner until the end of the window.

Trix · Feb 2, 2022

tottenhamlad said:
To be honest i am not even sure why the ITK thread allows comments full stop?

Couldn't it just be took the the player threads.

This year it seemed the ITK could be commented on but only in a positive manner until the end of the window.

If you can't see the difference between commenting on what was actually being posted, and "We aren't signing anyone are we, same old Levy" then probably best not to comment in the thread at all. That thread was filled with bullshit like that throughout. Yet all the ITK from here, other sites and journalists all said the same. We were going to bring players in.

JUSTINSIGNAL · Feb 2, 2022

JJetset said:
The story about Diaz in the Athletic today is bang on disappointingly

So annoying. Especially reading that the deal was in place with both the club and player.

Guess there is always a risk of this happening while we are out of the Champions League. It will be a new experience for Paratici after being DOF of a elite club for so long. I still applaud the ambition to target a player of Diaz's calibre though.

wrd · Feb 2, 2022

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
So annoying. Especially reading that the deal was in place with both the club and player.

Guess there is always a risk of this happening while we are out of the Champions League. It will be a new experience for Paratici after being DOF of a elite club for so long. I still applaud the ambition to target a player of Diaz's calibre though.

It makes me hopeful for what we could accomplish if we secure top4

vegassd · Feb 2, 2022

Marty said:
I found this a bit confusing tbh.

Why were Porto using Mendes as an intermediary to do the deal with us, but not with Liverpool? Was that specifically at our (Paratici's) request?

The post you were quoting says "Jorge Mendes had the mandate from Porto" so my guess would be that Mendes knows Porto pretty well and told them that if he was allowed to help with the Diaz sale (and pocket his fee) that he would help them find replacements.

When Diaz's agent realised this was the situation he contacted Liverpool who had been interested for a while and did the deal directly with them, keeping any agent fee for himself. But that's just a guess.

From the outside it seems hard to tell if this agent game is something we need to dive two footed into or try and steer clear of. I suppose there are going to be some deals where a particular agent can be make or break one way or another.

rossdapep · Feb 2, 2022

JJetset said:
The story about Diaz in the Athletic today is bang on disappointingly

Let's hope the next big one we try to do doesn't get hijacked.

Rob · Feb 2, 2022

tottenhamlad said:
This year it seemed the ITK could be commented on but only in a positive manner until the end of the window.

Bluntly, no one wants to read pages of moaning.

I agree, if the mood is positive then it's not as bad that it's a bit "spammy" but when the mood is negative it's incredibly toxic and horrible.

I don't know how we address that going forward as we certainly don't want a "you can only say positive things" situation but equally, there has to be a balance.

wrd · Feb 2, 2022

Rob said:
Bluntly, no one wants to read pages of moaning.

I agree, if the mood is positive then it's not as bad that it's a bit "spammy" but when the mood is negative it's incredibly toxic and horrible.

I don't know how we address that going forward as we certainly don't want a "you can only say positive things" situation but equally, there has to be a balance.

I think it's when it's going off on a tangent that seems to have absolutely no relation to the information other than stereotypical moaning about the club being useless on transfers is when it turns to shit. I think the posts which are negative as it pertains to the specifics of what we're doing can be constructive. I think it's about people knowing when they're just repeating the same stuff posted in the ENIC thread.

Wig · Feb 2, 2022

vegassd said:
The post you were quoting says "Jorge Mendes had the mandate from Porto" so my guess would be that Mendes knows Porto pretty well and told them that if he was allowed to help with the Diaz sale (and pocket his fee) that he would help them find replacements.

When Diaz's agent realised this was the situation he contacted Liverpool who had been interested for a while and did the deal directly with them, keeping any agent fee for himself. But that's just a guess.

From the outside it seems hard to tell if this agent game is something we need to dive two footed into or try and steer clear of. I suppose there are going to be some deals where a particular agent can be make or break one way or another.

It sounds like Mendes has properly screwed us over. He's meant to be an intermediary to help grease the wheels to get a deal done, but it seems the reverse happened and his involvement scuppered the deal with Diaz's agent.

Honestly I always felt pessimistic we would get Diaz but I never realised how close we actually were to doing the deal.

Wig · Feb 2, 2022

Rob said:
Bluntly, no one wants to read pages of moaning.

I agree, if the mood is positive then it's not as bad that it's a bit "spammy" but when the mood is negative it's incredibly toxic and horrible.

I don't know how we address that going forward as we certainly don't want a "you can only say positive things" situation but equally, there has to be a balance.

We all know you do your best to let things flow and let all sides have their say, but it was great that when things started getting a bit shit that you quickly tightened up the restrictions. Thanks to all of you.

dudu · Feb 2, 2022

Sounds like the manager was and will continue to be 'backed'.

If everyone involved is content with the business done and the opportunities we are preparing for in the summer then so am I.

For the love of Spurs · Feb 2, 2022

I suppose the question is for me, if Mendes hadn’t got involved at all would Dias be a Spurs player?

If this is the case Mendes is a disaster and further to this I hope the club either distance themselves from him or if not make it clear he owes us a massive favour.

Archibald&Crooks · Feb 2, 2022

Rob said:
I don't know how we address that going forward

tottenhamlad · Feb 2, 2022

Trix said:
If you can't see the difference between commenting on what was actually being posted, and "We aren't signing anyone are we, same old Levy" then probably best not to comment in the thread at all. That thread was filled with bullshit like that throughout. Yet all the ITK from here, other sites and journalists all said the same. We were going to bring players in.

Rob said:
Bluntly, no one wants to read pages of moaning.

I agree, if the mood is positive then it's not as bad that it's a bit "spammy" but when the mood is negative it's incredibly toxic and horrible.

I don't know how we address that going forward as we certainly don't want a "you can only say positive things" situation but equally, there has to be a balance.

Thanks Rob, I agree it can easily spiral.

I just don't think it is very clear what you can and cannot say about the ITK.

To be clear i am not talking about people questioning the info here. Just what constitutes a relevant comment without being villanised and called negative, spamming threads etc.

The problem is Trix i don't think the signings are meeting everyone's expectations. For example, you link us with 2 Juventus players and someone comments about it being unplanned, Paratici missing out on 1st choice targets and getting favors from his old club.

Is that relevant to the ITK?

jimbo · Feb 2, 2022

Rob said:
Bluntly, no one wants to read pages of moaning.

I agree, if the mood is positive then it's not as bad that it's a bit "spammy" but when the mood is negative it's incredibly toxic and horrible.

I don't know how we address that going forward as we certainly don't want a "you can only say positive things" situation but equally, there has to be a balance.

It's difficult because it tends to spiral and there is a psychological need for people to express their view, even if it's already been said by someone else countless times, because it's their view. You can't really suppress that too hard on a forum I'd guess.

Watching it all happen and not posting, it seemed like there would be an ITK post saying something like "Nothing has happened yet but things will happen, are being worked on, wait for the end of the window and see where we are...etc" and that would just be ignored.

For a large part of the window we hadn't done any business - was that worrying? Yes of course, but when you're being told that things will happen you have to trust that a bit. I get that people have been burned before so it's harder to trust the club in the moment, but there's no point just ignoring what the ITKs are sharing as seemed to be going on.

Ultimately does the site need a 'Daily ITK Discussion Thread'? Would it be better to use The Goat and let the discussion happen in the player threads solely? I'm personally never that sure what there is to really discuss about ITK. It is what it is. Take it or leave it. Believe it or not. What us hairy Herberts have to say about it, our opinions on it, aren't really that valuable. It's just 'oh that sounds good' or 'no, I don't like x player'. Not exactly high value discussion.

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