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Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

Snarfalicious

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This thread just reeks of defeatism. From the fans, to the playing side, to the upper management, it really feels like a majority have a loser’s mentality. Think that’s what Conte is getting at when he talks so much about it. It’s really changing the club ethos of “Murphy’s Law” that is truly insidious into one that is of belief and deserving of success. Good luck.
 

-Afri-Coy-

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This thread just reeks of defeatism. From the fans, to the playing side, to the upper management, it really feels like a majority have a loser’s mentality. Think that’s what Conte is getting at when he talks so much about it. It’s really changing the club ethos of “Murphy’s Law” that is truly insidious into one that is of belief and deserving of success. Good luck.

Couldn't agree more.
 

allatsea

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Not sure how sizeable it is. What I do know is those you are talking about seem to be shouting the same things over and over again and making it look like there are more than there actually are. I suppose the keep talksport in business though.

Well said. Are these people really supporters ? I see very little evidence of actually supporting the club through thick and thin.

Back the team during the halves. Not a fan of the moan or sighs at every misplaced pass or mistake. But the paying fan has every right to voice their discontent at half time and full time in my opinion.

Once again where is the support for the team ? Booing or sighing is NOT supporting the team. The team needs support from the supporters now more than ever.
 

Joshua shepherd

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Back the team during the halves. Not a fan of the moan or sighs at every misplaced pass or mistake. But the paying fan has every right to voice their discontent at half time and full time in my opinion.

The thing with the moan is it’s just instinctive. If I’m at a game and I see winks or Sanchez or Hoijberg or Lucas lose the ball yet again under no pressure, there’s no way I can keep my disappointment from showing.
 

Timberwolf

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This thread just reeks of defeatism. From the fans, to the playing side, to the upper management, it really feels like a majority have a loser’s mentality. Think that’s what Conte is getting at when he talks so much about it. It’s really changing the club ethos of “Murphy’s Law” that is truly insidious into one that is of belief and deserving of success. Good luck.
It's a good point. This is the first club Conte has managed since Bari that doesn't have have huge, or even moderate, success in its recent history. While he still had to rebuild/improve clubs like Juve, Inter and Chelsea to an extent, they all still had a certain expectation and pedigree after winning doubles, trebles, league titles etc not very long before.

At Spurs he has to build that shit from the ground up. We have the infrastructure of a mega club but we don't have the recent history, the trophies or belief. Conte has to instill that winning mentality in everyone, as he keeps saying in his interviews .
 

YB123

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Well said. Are these people really supporters ? I see very little evidence of actually supporting the club through thick and thin.



Once again where is the support for the team ? Booing or sighing is NOT supporting the team. The team needs support from the supporters now more than ever.

Read back what I said. Support them during the game but why is there an issue with showing discontent, especially at full time? So they should be clapped/applauded off the pitch when losing to teams like Southampton and Wolves at home?
 

mil1lion

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Until we win some silverware, we'll continue to mocked by all and sundry and this is irrespective of manager
Not sure why really given many clubs don't win anything. I guess we always act like we should be winning things so are an easy target. I think this is also in part what this interview was about. Conte is expected to demand instant success because that's what he's had with his last 3 clubs. Maybe he's just saying that this job is different and to stop expecting him to get upset at not winning. I hope it really just means he's here for the long run and wants to build success here.
 

DodgyLasagne

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Conte at least has a rational, sober view of the situation.

We have bungled nearly everything transfer-wise since 2016, this is what it looks like when a competent adult comes into evaluate our program. He's not exactly going to be happy with it.

I don't think there's any need for pants pissing though. Winning cures all.
 

Japhet

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I think it’s part self-preservation to excuse himself from the poor results and part actual pressure on the board because our window was fairly mediocre and hasn’t materially improved our chances of top four which he is desperate for.

If he does this every time we lose a game then it’s going to become a problem but I’d still rather him than a yes man.

ITK seems to reject that claim. It's been said repeatedly that top 4 is less important right now than getting the right players in the Summer. Of course, it would be nice to do both, but spending now on lesser players was apparently not what Conte wanted.
 

Guernman

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All Conte has done is speak the truth. For Pochettino we were the first big club to give him his break, for Mourinho we were the last chance for a rapidly falling star. Conte is the first manager whom everyone knows we need more than he needs us, and us such he has the stature right now to call things as they are.

As long as he is keeping the team spirit of the squad positive behind the scenes, these public statements, which are nothing more than reality checks for the board, can only be a good thing. We all know that he needs to be backed, and this only puts more pressure on Paratici and Levy to get the summer window right and to act quickly for once when it opens.

I think it is pretty clear that Conte told the club which players had to go in January, but I doubt he didn't want them replaced. If he was told, as was likely, that the right targets couldn't be secured until the summer, he will have accepted that, but hardly rejoiced in it.
 

Jamturk

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Back the team during the halves. Not a fan of the moan or sighs at every misplaced pass or mistake. But the paying fan has every right to voice their discontent at half time and full time in my opinion.

Of course they have the right, but I would argue that it is counterproductive and moves the team further away from where the booers want it to be.
 

Guntz

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We all know Conte is right.

The club talks about winning trophies but doesn‘t back it up.

I think the club needs to clearly define where they want to go in the future.

If they want to follow the Dortmund/Leicester/Leipzig model of buying young players with loads of potential, then fine. But why contradict that and appoint a world-class manager who wants to win now?

Commit to a philosophy and not flip flop between the two.

I guess we'll see in the summer where our priorities lie.
 

dudu

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Back the team during the halves. Not a fan of the moan or sighs at every misplaced pass or mistake. But the paying fan has every right to voice their discontent at half time and full time in my opinion.
Of course, you have the right to do it, no one is going to stop you.

There is just a question surrounding what it actually achieves

Does booing at HT essentially knock the wind further out of the sails of the players?

Some of the people getting booed are in their early to mid-twenties and when you're getting booed by 10s of thousands of people you definitely know and feel that shit.

I've read a lot about the psychology behind this and the kind of negative reinforcement you think booing might have, doesn't work. These guys are not going to be sat there thinking "im gonna prove them wrong" because you are meant to be there supporting them.

If you have to boo, save it till the end of the game where you will certainly not have any impact on the result. Make noise, make the place feel hostile for the OPPOSITION, and show support.
 
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GutBucket

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I think the club needs to clearly define where they want to go in the future.

If they want to follow the Dortmund/Leicester/Leipzig model of buying young players with loads of potential, then fine. But why contradict that and appoint a world-class manager who wants to win now?

Commit to a philosophy and not flip flop between the two.

I guess we'll see in the summer where our priorities lie.
There's some weird stuff going with Mendes, even trying to use him for Diaz deal who he doesn't even represent. Hiring Mourinho and Nuno, and almost getting Gattuso. Whatever the plan is, it involves him. We are trying to follow Wolves and Arsenal (they like Kia Joorbachian instead) looks like.
 

whitesocks

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The club talks about winning trophies but doesn‘t back it up.
But do they? Nuno didn't seem to have any objectives. Nor does Conte.
Mourinho could have landed a trophy of sorts and top4 was achievable, but was sacked anyway.

The 2 main objective imo are not to go down and have a full ground at premium rates.
Secondary objectives are to provide committed entertaining football at home. Generally no humiliations. Get at least 2 points from the scum.

If conte can achieve that, then that is more than good enough for me.
 

Delboy75

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This thread just reeks of defeatism. From the fans, to the playing side, to the upper management, it really feels like a majority have a loser’s mentality. Think that’s what Conte is getting at when he talks so much about it. It’s really changing the club ethos of “Murphy’s Law” that is truly insidious into one that is of belief and deserving of success. Good luck.

Well it ain’t really working for me tbh. I’m normally a very optimistic person but he now has me believing our season is over and expect to lose every game. I’m struggling to see how this goes towards building a mentality. All I remember from Klopp is energy and optimism while he was reconstructing Liverpool. I’m only giving Conte a pass because of his achievements. But I feel no more optimistic than I did under Nuno if truth be told. Because I have zero belief he’s here for some long term overhaul, so him saying it’s a long road ahead is pretty pointless.
 
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