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Conte's 3-5-2

Phil_2.0

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Rewatched Saturday's game from the moment Bissouma comes on. Here are some thoughts as I watched it:

Within the first few minutes of the substitution, Bissouma wins the ball on the halfway line but it breaks down. 30 seconds later Bentancur presses the Leicester LB wins it, gives it son and we go onto score. Hojbjerg was making a very good overlap for Son. For Bentancur to rob the left back of the ball shows the new position hes taken up and Hojbjerg having that engine is incredible.

Bentancur is very good btw :D, he ends up defending well with Royal in the RB channel and a few minutes later hes in the box, from a fast attack and has a decent shot saved. When I think about Xhaka who is now playing quite a bit further forward in that left 8 channel I do see opportunities to put him under pressure with Bentancur if he is in that RCM channel. Xhaka can be pressed and attacked, RB is so fluid and quick it could give us chances. He even makes a small overlapping run for Royal in the 83rd minute. Again hes in the Right Midfield slot from a great Harry Kane pass and is setting up Son with a good chance who fluffs it.

For Son's 3rd goal Bissouma wins the ball, gives it Hojbjerg in his own half and runs strongly past a beaten Ndidi and we score. Wonderful energy from PEH.

Game dies after that.

The general summation is I don't know if this is because Leicester are beaten after the third goal but they do seem to lose it a lot more in the middle third when Bissouma comes on. They don't get any penetration in the match again. Hojbjerg and Bentancur are animals, it can't be understated how fit these boys are.

I gave Conte 10% chance of playing 3-5-2 vs Arsenal but now after rewatching the last 20 minutes I am upgrading this to 15% :D Leicester were broken after the 4th goal but PEH and Bentancur could make a 3-5-2 work. Bissouma is interesting because he looks like he's drifting in the game without the ball, then he'll turn it on quickly and steal the ball. Also YB and RB make the back 3's life easier because they can take the ball under pressure.

It's still only 20 minutes vs a bad Leicester so you have to take this with a pinch of salt. We know 3-4-3 kind of works and 3-5-2 in a big game is a risk.
 

THOWIG

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A 352 that switches to a 334 when attacking with Perisic and Kulusevski on the wings and the 3 midfielders covering them defensively. Could still be brave and play a more attacking player as part of the central 3.
 

kremlyn

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If you get a chance to watch Inter under Conte he used Barella in CM but far more advanced. It's an odd role but of all our players, Deki is the most likely to be able to do it.

I'd prefer he did that than convert into a rwb.
 

THOWIG

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If you get a chance to watch Inter under Conte he used Barella in CM but far more advanced. It's an odd role but of all our players, Deki is the most likely to be able to do it.

I'd prefer he did that than convert into a rwb.

Thing is I’m not seeing Deki as a wing back. I’m seeing him as a right midfielder. It’s just a position on a piece of paper at the end of the day. It’s all about what he’s being asked to do by Conte. He takes up a lot of positions on the half way line anyway and pushes forward.
Equally keen to see him more centrally too if Conte decides.
 

kremlyn

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We tried it from the start?! Didn't see the game. How did it go? Is it the future or a good plan b?
 

Neon_Knight_

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We tried it from the start?! Didn't see the game. How did it go? Is it the future or a good plan b?
We still had only 41% possession, so playing with 2x CM clearly isn't the reason we aren't controlling possession.
 

chrissivad

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The first 20-25mins we had more of the ball.

But once we scored we dropped deeper and looked to counter or catch them when we did press.

Should be how we start games with Kulusevski out
 

SA_Spurs

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i think any system we play relies very strongly on individual positional discipline. It's clear conte prefers the 3-4-3 shape based on the players we have in the squad but Hoddle said something interesting yesterday after the game - his view was that Conte is slowly releasing the handbrake with the team (that was based on his viewing of frankfurt & brighton games). Will be interesting to see how this develops over the next 2-3 games. I think securing a win in UCL on Wed will go a long way to helping with this process & the game against Everton should hopefully show further development ...let's see
 

eddiev14

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It’s likely been said but 3-5-2 with quality wing backs and one forward minded CM looks like a real solution to our problems.

Makes it even stranger that we didn’t buy a quality AM and RWB last summer.
 

chrisd2k

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I felt more comfortable watching it. The panic when someone turns one of our CMs wasn't there as there was cover not 20 yards free space to run into.

Would love to see Deki starting centrally in that formation and looking to break but looks like we will have to wait a while
 

Yiddo100

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We still had only 41% possession, so playing with 2x CM clearly isn't the reason we aren't controlling possession.
I think the reason we’re not controlling possession is because conte doesn’t want us to. Last season we were deadly on the counter and we just don’t have the players imo to keep the ball effectively for long periods
 

Phil_2.0

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The reason we aren't keeping possession is because we don't have good passers and ball retention specialists in the team.

I wanted to see 3-5-2 but I always knew it would be a tough ask to make it work. You are essentially relying on Bentancur and Hojbjerg to play as aggressive number 8's taking up places in the attacking half-space as well as helping out their wing-backs. The whole team looked tired, from Doherty to Kane to Bissouma. I don't know if it was emotional fatigue from the death or coming off a tough week, that Frankfurt game was intense. Doherty and Bissouma didn't play in that game, they just are way short of match fitness.

3-5-2 has its positives, it blocks up the midfield. Brighton couldn't press us effectively in that first 30 mins but with this midfield composition, it means we are short in attacking areas. Especially when Doherty didn't have the legs to get forward.

They both have their pros and cons, 3-4-3 and 3-5-2. We've all seen us look great in the 3-4-3 so I still believe that will be our primary system until we get a good attacking midfielder in the team but 3-5-2 does offer us something.
 

UncleBuck

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I felt more comfortable watching it. The panic when someone turns one of our CMs wasn't there as there was cover not 20 yards free space to run into.

Would love to see Deki starting centrally in that formation and looking to break but looks like we will have to wait a while
I think Deki at the top of a midfield trio is perfect, he’s got the engine, vision and physical attributes to easily be the next KDB.
It would mean though that we need two RWB’s that are mustard.
 

Phil_2.0

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I think Deki at the top of a midfield trio is perfect, he’s got the engine, vision and physical attributes to easily be the next KDB.
It would mean though that we need two RWB’s that are mustard.

I don't really believe in moving Kulusevski.

I suspect he might be one of those players that is an absolute specialist in his role of cutting in off the right wing. Like Salah or Robben. Hes not as fast as them but its in that right 20x 20 half space he can terrorize defenders, cutting inside but offer enough going outside his defender and using his body to be unpredictable.

He plays as a number 10 that drifts out wide. I think if we put him in the midfield cluster I don't believe he'd be as good and I don't believe he's got the engine to be a number 8.
 
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wadewill

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I’m Adam Ant we will be a completely different beast after the World Cup
 

Timberwolf

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I don't really believe in moving Kulusevski.

I suspect he might be one of those players that is an absolute specialist in his role of cutting in off the right wing. Like Salah or Robben. Hes not as fast as them but its in that right 20x 20 half space he can terrorize defenders, cutting inside but offer enough going outside his defender and using his body to keep people.

He plays as a number 10 that drifts out wide. I think if we put him in the midfield cluster I don't believe he'd be as good and I don't believe he's got the engine to be a number 8.
Yeah I'm not sure about Kulu in the middle either.

He's SO strong and amazing at retaining possession, but he's not the most lithe or agile player and I think he'd get pressured and crowded out a lot more in the middle.

I suppose his body type and style of play is fairly similar to KDB so maybe he can adjust to playing centrally in a similar way (KDB used to play much more wide for Wolfsburg IIRC) but right now I think he's great on the right.
 

Japhet

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Yeah I'm not sure about Kulu in the middle either.

He's SO strong and amazing at retaining possession, but he's not the most lithe or agile player and I think he'd get pressured and crowded out a lot more in the middle.

I suppose his body type and style of play is fairly similar to KDB so maybe he can adjust to playing centrally in a similar way (KDB used to play much more wide for Wolfsburg IIRC) but right now I think he's great on the right.


I'd like to see the rock solid CM3 of a combination of PEH, Bentancur, Bissouma, Skipp and ultra attacking wingbacks of Kulusevski and Sessegnon. With the amount of defensive cover available, Kulusevski's role wouldn't be markedly different from what we're used to imo.
 

punkisback

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I'd like to see the rock solid CM3 of a combination of PEH, Bentancur, Bissouma, Skipp and ultra attacking wingbacks of Kulusevski and Sessegnon. With the amount of defensive cover available, Kulusevski's role wouldn't be markedly different from what we're used to imo.
If that’s the case we might as well go 433 then.
 
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