The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

chas vs dave · Feb 1, 2023

G Ron said:
We’re a laughing stock due to our lack of trophies and consistent failure. We’re the only club in the so called big 6 that’s one fuck all for 15 years.

And that’s bollocks Re younger supporters wanting ENIC out - it’s been covered in another thread. Most of the people sat near me in the stadium and all my Spurs supporting pals want them out and all are 40+

Our Matchday revenue covers £100M a season without touching sponsorship, TV money etc so I don’t buy that argument either

edit: apologies @cliff jones i didn’t mean to quote you in this response!

You've already said that 85% want ENIC out? We will find out on Sunday. I won't protest at the detriment of supporting the team. That's my choice, it doesn't make me "brainwashed", or accepting.

Look, I want change, however I am not sure that change to ownership is the first step. Fundamentally, the club isn't being run well enough.

First of all, I'd like to see fan representation on the board and the club to provide a clear plan on what it's intentions are.

However, protesting for change with out clearly defining what the change is, and not being organised about it just makes us a laughing stock.

As for the lack of trophies comment, yes we haven't won enough, however 62 out of the last 66 trophies have been won by 3 teams. Your comment can apply to most clubs in existence.

Oh Teddy Teddy · Feb 1, 2023

talkshowhost86 said:
Over the years I've been up and down on Levy and ENIC.

I don't think anyone should ignore the massive changes that have been made which will hopefully have a huge impact on the future of the club, not least the stadium and the training ground.

But all of that was always argued to be the base from which we could become a more successful football club and that simply isn't happening.

Since Poch left there hasn't been even the hint of a coherent football strategy and that needs to be lead by Levy.

I frankly think Conte is stealing a living by saying he can't manage a team if he isn't given exactly the right players, but Levy knew that about him, hired him and then hasn't spent even close to the money needed to get the most out of a manager we are paying a fortune to.

Put simply we are one of the richest clubs in world football and we operate at nowhere near that level as a football club...and that does fall on Levy.

It won't change because as far as ENIC are concerned he's doing a fabulous job.

But I've never felt so removed from the team on a footballing perspective and I don't think that will improve with Levy in charge.

I think this is it, too. Whether you're pro or anti-Conte, it doesn't really matter... Levy was the one that ultimately made the decision to bring him in and has seemingly failed to adapt to his choice of manager. Whether you think Conte is the issue, the players are the issue, the transfers are the issue... it all comes back to one man.

vegassd · Feb 1, 2023

rossdapep said:
Really dont understand the complaints about negativity towards ENIC and Levy.

I know that it can be quite taxing to read negative opinions but this isn't something that has happened overnight or is just a bunch of knee jerkers.

I can only speak for myself, but my complaints are about the people who clog the forum with toxic BS. I try to avoid antagonistic words on this forum (no tone of voice etc.) so "dumbshit waste of brain cells" would become "negativity" which might explain some of this!

I'm very aware that there is a lot to feel negative about, and lots of good posters are able to talk about that without falling into that "negativity" category. But it does make me not want to visit this forum, and I'm sure that goes for a lot of others. When that feeling extends to admins and/or ITKs that has tangible impact.

What I really hope for is that the anti-Levy voices at the stadium don't get overshadowed by the type of petulance we see on this site. For every chant of "Levy out" I would love to see triple the amount of chanting for "Antonio". So it becomes less like fans merely complaining (which is something all fans of all clubs do) and more a message of what we want to see happen. A positive message and a demand for action.

First and foremost though, I want to see an improvement in our play. I don't buy the conspiracy line of thinking whereby signing Porro makes fans forget about the overall squad management. But I do think it can improve what happens on the pitch, which will improve all of our enjoyment of the remaining matches at least.

I think it's perfectly possible to be angry at Levy, enjoy the matches and not spam the shit out of this forum all at the same time.

spurs9 · Feb 1, 2023

fishhhandaricecake said:
But will enough of the fans join in the chants at home games and bring banners and join protests?

Porro IN has saved a hugeeeee backlash which is bad in the long run as means many more years of the same cycle under levy.

He always does just enough to keep the wolves ? at bay. ?‍

I hope they don't. Banners are good, but leave the chants/protests for after the game.

Conte had already asked the fans for unity and to create "the right atmosphere" and chanting Levy out creates a toxic atmosphere and is more likely to affect the team negatively than get any action from Levy or the board.

Dakes · Feb 1, 2023

13VanDerBale13 said:
Tottenham Hotspur, ladies & gents

A penny-wise, pound-foolish case study

chas vs dave · Feb 1, 2023

Oh Teddy Teddy said:
I think this is it, too. Whether you're pro or anti-Conte, it doesn't really matter... Levy was the one that ultimately made the decision to bring him in and has seemingly failed to adapt to his choice of manager. Whether you think Conte is the issue, the players are the issue, the transfers are the issue... it all comes back to one man.

And that's a fair point. The current situation at the club is a mess. Too much uncertainty, and a severe lack of clarity. That falls on levy.

I'm not bothered about how much we spend. We are spending a lot, it just feels like we prioritise players market value, over value to the club at times. That needs to change. Imo

cider spurs · Feb 1, 2023

Not too fussed getting into the age debate, what i do believe is that Levy/Enic have run their course.

Our stagnated, sideways, backward passing football actually reminds me of our transfer windows all too often. Reactive after going a goal down, boring for the most part, with a token 10 minutes chucked in for good measure.

Would like to see us become more aggressive in transfer windows, heck, even look like we have a detailed plan and actually execute it.

...and before all the 'how do you know we didn't have a plan, or, we executed the plan, or certain players weren't available". I'll say this...

If we had no inclination that another CB has been required for the last few windows, then whatever plan we're supposedly following is feckin flawed.

I don't buy that there was not one single CB available and we couldn't have sounded out agents and got a preferable response in the period from Summer until now.

Before we go down the 'Conte might not be here come Summer'...correct, but that won't banish the notion of whomever our manager is, we seldom go the extra mile to make a difference, always doing just enough.

Time for the little fella to go, hit the F5, and get this club on the feckin front foot.

chas vs dave · Feb 1, 2023

Dakes said:
A penny-wise, pound-foolish case study

No, that clearly indicates that the club have been trying, albeit unsuccessfully to replace Kyle Walker.

We had an adequate replacement in trippier, until pochettino bombed him out.

It was Poch's decision to remove walker from the squad. Prior to selling

spurs9 · Feb 1, 2023

vegassd said:
I can only speak for myself, but my complaints are about the people who clog the forum with toxic BS. I try to avoid antagonistic words on this forum (no tone of voice etc.) so "dumbshit waste of brain cells" would become "negativity" which might explain some of this!

I'm very aware that there is a lot to feel negative about, and lots of good posters are able to talk about that without falling into that "negativity" category. But it does make me not want to visit this forum, and I'm sure that goes for a lot of others. When that feeling extends to admins and/or ITKs that has tangible impact.

What I really hope for is that the anti-Levy voices at the stadium don't get overshadowed by the type of petulance we see on this site. For every chant of "Levy out" I would love to see triple the amount of chanting for "Antonio". So it becomes less like fans merely complaining (which is something all fans of all clubs do) and more a message of what we want to see happen. A positive message and a demand for action.

First and foremost though, I want to see an improvement in our play. I don't buy the conspiracy line of thinking whereby signing Porro makes fans forget about the overall squad management. But I do think it can improve what happens on the pitch, which will improve all of our enjoyment of the remaining matches at least.

I think it's perfectly possible to be angry at Levy, enjoy the matches and not spam the shit out of this forum all at the same time.

100% this.

spurs9 · Feb 1, 2023

chas vs dave said:
No, that clearly indicates that the club have been trying, albeit unsuccessfully to replace Kyle Walker.

We had an adequate replacement in trippier, until pochettino bombed him out.

It was Poch's decision to remove walker from the squad. Prior to selling

It still saddens me that we didn't go into a season with Kyle Walker and Kyle Walker-Petets as our two RBs.

chas vs dave · Feb 1, 2023

spurs9 said:
It still saddens me that we didn't go into a season with Kyle Walker and Kyle Walker-Petets as our two RBs.

Poch's treatment of KWP still annoys me, and I was baffled as to why Jose sold him.

G Ron · Feb 1, 2023

chas vs dave said:
You've already said that 85% want ENIC out? We will find out on Sunday. I won't protest at the detriment of supporting the team. That's my choice, it doesn't make me "brainwashed", or accepting.

Look, I want change, however I am not sure that change to ownership is the first step. Fundamentally, the club isn't being run well enough.

First of all, I'd like to see fan representation on the board and the club to provide a clear plan on what it's intentions are.

However, protesting for change with out clearly defining what the change is, and not being organised about it just makes us a laughing stock.

As for the lack of trophies comment, yes we haven't won enough, however 62 out of the last 66 trophies have been won by 3 teams. Your comment can apply to most clubs in existence.

I didn’t mention brainwashed did I?

And In terms of venting against Levy, so far it’s been managed very well by the match going supporters who have most definitely supported the team first and so it certainly hasn’t been detrimental.

On the trophy front over the past 20 years, there have been 58 domestic honours up for grabs (I’m not including the community shield). The big 6 have scooped 50 of those (Arse 9, Chels 13, Utd 12, City 11, Liverpool 4, Spurs 1). Let that sink in. In the same period Leicester have won more (2 pots), with other winners being Swansea, Wigan, Birmingham, Pompey, Boro and Blackburn. So Spurs - a big six club with one pot to show in 20 years. So your stats are off and don’t really support any argument other than the fact we’re serial under achievers and I put that down to a lack of coherent recruitment strategy, and lack of desire to invest.

Karol · Feb 1, 2023

rossdapep said:
Really dont understand the complaints about negativity towards ENIC and Levy.

I know that it can be quite taxing to read negative opinions but this isn't something that has happened overnight or is just a bunch of knee jerkers.

I did use to sit on that side and call people out for negative reactions that appeared to be OTT. But theres absolutely no denying now that they are done and that the negativity wont stop until we get some new energy into the club.

There is more negativity simply because there are a lot more fans, here, on social media and in reality that had given Levy the benefit of the doubt and have now come off of the fence and want him gone.
Maybe I'm blinded by bias but I don't see the genie being put back in the bottle any time soon

Nerine · Feb 1, 2023

I think one of the main reasons we are at boiling point, is because we receive very little direction/information from the club.

DL is very media shy, and we don't really ever get to know the clubs vision. There is a huge disconnect between the club and the fanbase right now, and we will get zero answers, we'll not be informed of any kind of roadmap, vision, plan etc. Very much a "them and us" kind of vibe. It creates and furthers division. We don't feel as one. This is kind of the exact opposite of what a "club" is supposed to be.

On the face of it, we make some baffling decisions as a club, but we have no context as to why those decisions are made. Therefore the optics are always that. Baffling, disappointing, nonsensical, annoying, frustrating.

There may BE a plan, and it will be fluid with lots of moving parts, and it's difficult to argue that we have been largely directionally correct under Enic, but the club do themselves no favours when it comes to communicating with the fans.

I'm not vindicating the club here, don't get me wrong, however, I feel if they improved this aspect of it, it would help their cause a bit.

Either that, or they simply might not be bothered...

Something has to change, regardless.

Yid-ol · Feb 1, 2023

G Ron said:
I didn’t mention brainwashed did I?

And In terms of venting against Levy, so far it’s been managed very well by the match going supporters who have most definitely supported the team first and so it certainly hasn’t been detrimental.

On the trophy front over the past 20 years, there have been 58 domestic honours up for grabs (I’m not including the community shield). The big 6 have scooped 50 of those (Arse 9, Chels 13, Utd 12, City 11, Liverpool 4, Spurs 1). Let that sink in. In the same period Leicester have won more (2 pots), with other winners being Swansea, Wigan, Birmingham, Pompey, Boro and Blackburn. So Spurs - a big six club with one pot to show in 20 years. So your stats are way odd and don’t really support any argument other than the fact we’re serial under achievers and I put that down to a lack of coherent recruitment strategy, and lack of desire to invest.

A good chunk on here also say to put kids out for cups or play back ups.

I agree we should be winning some, and it's down to lack of signing players when we need them, and levy/Enic's time here is really up if they can't push us forward anymore (in terms of going from mid table to top 5/6 and new stadium). But we mess up the cup competitions ourselves by not taking them seriously.

chas vs dave · Feb 1, 2023

G Ron said:
I didn’t mention brainwashed did I?

And In terms of venting against Levy, so far it’s been managed very well by the match going supporters who have most definitely supported the team first and so it certainly hasn’t been detrimental.

On the trophy front over the past 20 years, there have been 58 domestic honours up for grabs (I’m not including the community shield). The big 6 have scooped 50 of those (Arse 9, Chels 13, Utd 12, City 11, Liverpool 4, Spurs 1). Let that sink in. In the same period Leicester have won more (2 pots), with other winners being Swansea, Wigan, Birmingham, Pompey, Boro and Blackburn. So Spurs - a big six club with one pot to show in 20 years. So your stats are off and don’t really support any argument other than the fact we’re serial under achievers and I put that down to a lack of coherent recruitment strategy, and lack of desire to invest.

Your final point I can agree with. However, there is also a reality that potentially enic won't sell, or find someone who will buy us.

If we are stuck, then there has to be a voice to make change within the current structure. THST are not it, imo. There should be some body who can at least put across the fans perspective, in a manner that will get the club listening to what the fans are looking for

I 100% agree with the problems lying in recruitment. I don't necessarily want enic, or levy out. I just want a meaningful change to how the club operates. ?

Ron Burgundy · Feb 1, 2023

rossdapep said:
Really dont understand the complaints about negativity towards ENIC and Levy.

I know that it can be quite taxing to read negative opinions but this isn't something that has happened overnight or is just a bunch of knee jerkers.

I did use to sit on that side and call people out for negative reactions that appeared to be OTT. But theres absolutely no denying now that they are done and that the negativity wont stop until we get some new energy into the club.

I agree with this. There seems to be a complaint at Levy as to why we don't have a new CB

Is that surely not a lack of flexibility on the part of FP and Conte as well? There are plenty of CBs who definitely would have improved us that have been available in the last 18 months, but the club have decided not to pursue them.

Outside of CB and GK, and maybe a different option in CM, the squad is looking quite good isn't it?

Admittedly the owners don't have deep pockets like some of the other jokers out there - not least the sovereign owners - but that's hardly their fault

Karol · Feb 1, 2023

Nerine said:
I think one of the main reasons we are at boiling point, is because we receive very little direction/information from the club.

DL is very media shy, and we don't really ever get to know the clubs vision. There is a huge disconnect between the club and the fanbase right now, and we will get zero answers, we'll not be informed of any kind of roadmap, vision, plan etc. Very much a "them and us" kind of vibe. It creates and furthers division. We don't feel as one. This is kind of the exact opposite of what a "club" is supposed to be.

Levy doesn't help himself when he does 'speak'

“We shall focus on the recruitment of a new Head Coach. We are acutely aware of the need to select someone whose values reflect those of our great Club and return to playing football with the style for which we are known – free-flowing, attacking and entertaining"

He then goes on to appoint Nuno and then Antonio Conte

Personally I believe there is a club vision

Finish in the top 6 or 7

Dov67 · Feb 1, 2023

How much did we save by dragging the Porro deal out to the final hours of a 31 day window?

Six points lost against Abu Dhabi and goonscum? Could he have made a difference - maybe/possibly/probably.

Those points lost could mean the difference between Champions league and Europa or Conference - which could cost us tens of millions.

Levy is the kind of guy who'd put Diesel in a Petrol car because diesel is cheaper. It will destroy the engine, but he'll do it anyway because because diesel is cheaper.

G Ron · Feb 1, 2023

chas vs dave said:
Your final point I can agree with. However, there is also a reality that potentially enic won't sell, or find someone who will buy us.

If we are stuck, then there has to be a voice to make change within the current structure. THST are not it, imo. There should be some body who can at least put across the fans perspective, in a manner that will get the club listening to what the fans are looking for

I 100% agree with the problems lying in recruitment. I don't necessarily want enic, or levy out. I just want a meaningful change to how the club operates. ?

Yep - we all crave the same outcome for sure. I just can’t see us breaking old habits (in terms of recruitment) now after all this time unless there are major changes at the top.

There’s always a worry Re change at the top, but I just cannot see a situation where the current incumbent’s get it right on the pitch. We came close under Poch but always fell short - and I do think a lot of that was through luck rather than judgement (A generational striking talent from the academy, a few punts on young players from lower leagues (Walker, Dele etc), Eriksen purchased with the Bale money (one real success story out of a whole heap of money wasted). Even Poch himself worked out far better than anyone could really have ever envisaged.

What frustrates me most has already been mentioned today. The stadium was supposed to be the game changer for us and enable us to compete with the big boys, but clearly that’s not the case and we’re still not truly willing to invest big to strengthen the team.

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