fishhhandaricecake
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Fantastic brilliant post summed it all up perfectly mate
The ousting of Daniel (COYS)
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YiddoInPoland
You got some statistical evidence to back that up?
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Was thinking about this yesterday, and genuinely believe Levy is running the club the way we needed to be run in the early 2000s but not how we need to run now.
The business side has moved on and I don't think Levy has moved on with it. Still don't think we need to drop 400 million a window, but less opportunistic deals that make little sense and more planned strategies need to be in place (not all on Levy).
That said, I think some of the vitriol is way over the top.
The business side has moved on and I don't think Levy has moved on with it. Still don't think we need to drop 400 million a window, but less opportunistic deals that make little sense and more planned strategies need to be in place (not all on Levy).
That said, I think some of the vitriol is way over the top.
i have previously been a massive ENIC fan, and everyone can see what they've done for the club. However, you have to look at results over the last 3-4 years, the strategy and the recruitment to see that it's not being run properly on the football side. That's why I think it's time for a change at the top.
Neon_Knight_
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Arnesen came in and transformed the squad from mid-table to genuinely challenging for top 4. I thought our rebuild was going very nicely (with lots of youthful potential blended with more experienced / complete players like Davids, Naybet & Berbatov). After Chelsea poached him, they probably also ended up with some quality signings during the next couple of transfer windows, who Arnesen previously had lined up for us.
I wasn't at all happy with Commoli's recruitment in the first instance. However, with hindsight, some improved once Harry replaced Ramos and he did sign some of the best players in our club's history (Modric & Bale). Maybe we were slightly hasty sacking him, or maybe he did more harm than good...I'm not sure either way tbh.
Clearly Baldini didn't work out...nor Hitchin.
As much as I loved Poch, I do think his insistence on us not appointing a DoF to oversee transfers was eventually his undoing. It worked fine while we were targeting young players with potential, but didn't once were trying sign already complete players to push on from top 4 regulars to title winners.
We'll never know how Paratici would have done if he'd been recruited during Poch's reign, when the squad was very different to what he inherited. The task of offloading predecessors' expensive failed signings, who are on higher wages than any prospective buyers would contemplate paying, really shouldn't be underestimated...and neither should the task of convincing Levy to sign off on terminating contracts of those players be underestimated. For now, the jury is out on Paratici IMO.
vegassd
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I can definitely see those prediction items playing out.
Wouldn't that be the exact sort of behaviour we want from a chairman though? Life you say, it would be a better squad than when Poch left, and with continued reasonable investment it would be kept fresh. So a "stay of execution" seems a bit harsh... more like "acting as we should", although it's yet to be seen if that happens.
Isn't that the exact sort of stuff they come out with every year? Levy at the end of the season and then Paratici giving an assessment after transfer windows (although he might duck it this time around!). It's that kind of non-committal stuff that doesn't mean too much at the end of the day. I might be totally wrong, but I don't see what fan reassurance that gives, especially if like you, people aren't going to trust their words anyway.
I'm definitely interested to see what statement (if any) comes out after this window. And then the massive one will be when the financials come in. They are a year behind obviously, but I'm sure there will be some clever folk who can work out general revenues and what should be available for first team spending.
brasil_spur
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Yeh I think i'd be fairly happy with this. It's a bit unfortunate that Levy went with FP and Conte as the next step in our evolution and FP gets done for basically just being Italian (joking) and Conte has 3 friends die in a year and then needs surgery half way through his first full season in charge.
As others have pointed out Levy has pulled his finger out a fair amount over the last 12 months, with some key signings. He needs to continue this until we have the defence sorted, but I would say the rebuild project is about 50% done now, which isn't bad.
Bringing Poch back in right now, assuming Conte leaves, is probably the best thing to do, although as others have said there needs to be a DoF sorting out player recruitment. FP has made a night and day difference on that front, we've gone from a 1 in 10 (being generous) success rate to at least a 1 in 2 success rate when it comes to transfers since he joined.
Ribble
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Think it's worth remembering that Commoli didn't go out to Croatia and get the Modric deal done - Levy did it personally.
13VanDerBale13
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They fully taking the piss out of you lot ??
Nerine
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mil1lion
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It does feel like Levy is stuck in that habit of negotiating every transfer down as low as possible. It's kind of like Del Boy after he becomes a millwionaire but he picks up the phone and starts trying to make a deal. I just can't see Levy ever being that guy to start splashing the cash. Even if we got a big investment from QSI I think he still drags out every transfer. He's all about his figures at the end of every tax year and being in profit.
easley91
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I often compare Levy to one Vince McMahon in that they both grew their assets over a long period, however because it was such a long period of time their way of thinking and doing things had become stale and old fashioned. Vince was out of touch with what was around him in recent years, even if he could bring in the money. Levy is the same way. Vince finally left (due to some serious allegations and not on his own accord) and the product has seemed fresher under new, younger management.
I do think Tottenham needs a change and a refresh, whether that's just Levy or new owners entirely who knows. We have everything in place off the pitch now, we just need to step it up and match that on the pitch with management and squad recruitment.
I do think Tottenham needs a change and a refresh, whether that's just Levy or new owners entirely who knows. We have everything in place off the pitch now, we just need to step it up and match that on the pitch with management and squad recruitment.
Trent Crimm
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The way the Sports business as an industry has moved on massively. Levy still thinks it’s 2002 and acts accordingly.
I have no problem with maximizing every deal when poss, but at what cost medium / long term is the question?
He’s becoming a Spoon in a world of Forks.
Nerine
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Some of the hate and vitriol towards Levy is way OTT and quite out of order, IMO.
I think Levy should relinquish control and busy himself doing non-football related stuff, but I don’t really like the way we’re having to go about it to provoke that happening. Then again, generally speaking, it seems views and opinions have to be more and more extreme for the point to get across nowadays.
I dunno.
I think the responses to THST’s questions will be interesting.
Either that or they’ll fail to read the room yet again, and do themselves even more damage.
I think Levy should relinquish control and busy himself doing non-football related stuff, but I don’t really like the way we’re having to go about it to provoke that happening. Then again, generally speaking, it seems views and opinions have to be more and more extreme for the point to get across nowadays.
I dunno.
I think the responses to THST’s questions will be interesting.
Either that or they’ll fail to read the room yet again, and do themselves even more damage.
Albertbarich
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Has Levy ever shit himself in public though because he wanted to win a farting contest? If he has I take it all back.
only1waddle
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I can't see anything other than bog standard corporate answers.
septicsac
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Can she play at centre half?
mil1lion
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Yeah I can see the comparison. Vince was out of touch with what the fans wanted. He loved his big guys but fans want to see more smaller technical guys nowadays. Although one major difference is that as soon as Vince would come out the fans would go wild for him. If they wanted change they should voice it when they get the chance. At least with Levy we're making it known we're not happy with him. I just hope it continues because the window still wasn't showing enough ambition.
ohtottenham!
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LCB, to the left...
I admire your optimism, looking for the positive in a shitty situation and I am glad that our team will be finally better than the team when Poch left after 3 years and 6 transfer windows but I am not sure reasonable investment will be enough when it’s looking more and more likely that we will have to replace the three players that have kept us in the races during the last few years.
I don’t think we can replace the roughly 40 goals a season from Kane and Son. We may be able to cope with losing one of them but not both.
Danjuma and richarlison may be good players but they won’t get near those numbers, and can you see Levy actually splashing the kind of money required to get us a forward that’s going to guaranteed 20 goals a season? Let alone 2.
