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Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

fishhhandaricecake

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Under peak poch didn't he say winning trophies isn't important but finishing top 4 is?

How do we all feel about that?
I don't think Poch ever said that.

He always focused on the League and CL and neglected the domestic cups a bit too much for my liking but I don't think he ever said top 4 is more important than a trophy, why would he even say that when for 2 of his seasons we were going for the title?!
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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There couldn’t be a clearer sign that Levy has no ambition to have us challenge than this.

It’s not a case of negotiating too much on a deal that we eventually lose out on through penny pinching, or choosing a cheaper player over a manager’s preference. He’s literally chosen to assign a large chunk of available money to non-footballing endeavours (ie. Returning it to the bank) rather than spending it on strengthening the playing staff in a position that is fundamental to taking our team up a level.

Unbelievable.

We’ve spent a lot of money though??

Paratici has pretty much bought an entire first 11. We were never gonna reach Man U/Chelsea levels of spending but we’re one of the highest spenders in Europe.

Conte might have been asking for a new CB but he was also asking for a RWB and another attacker - which we signed in Jan.

I personally think Conte was happy with Lenglet as a stop gap this season and the decision was made by him and FP to review the situation in the summer when Gvardiol, Bastoni, Hincapie might be more getable. If they were available in Jan, of course that would preferable, but I don ‘t think there is the desperation that is being made out here.
 

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We've seen that money talks, for pretty much any player. Look at City, Gooners, even West Ham. If you're involved in Europe or on the verge of big things like Newcastle, if you pay the fee and the wages, the players will come.
Sometimes it is not true, but I remember quite clear that our ITK stated that Bastoni was attainable. On top of that Conte accepted alternatives. I bet that in the summer TW we are brining nobody in this area if we are not in the top 4.
 

bubble07

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"Again we’re going to have the debate whether a trophy will take the club to the next level. I don’t agree with it. It only builds your ego. The most important thing for Tottenham right now is to always be in the top four."

That's music to Levy's ears.

:ROFLMAO:

2 peas in a pod. I fell into agreeing at the time but the reality is unless the club has a clear strategy and invests in quality proven players give me a trophy any day

I remember it clearly. I'd argue with my united mates who under mourinho won a couple of trophies playing shit football when we were playing great football but no trophies

Oh the irony
 

bubble07

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I don't think Poch ever said that.

He always focused on the League and CL and neglected the domestic cups a bit too much for my liking but I don't think he ever said top 4 is more important than a trophy, why would he even say that when for 2 of his seasons we were going for the title?!
Again we’re going to have the debate whether a trophy will take the club to the next level. I don’t agree with it. It only builds your ego. The most important thing for Tottenham right now is to always be in the top four."
 

fishhhandaricecake

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"Again we’re going to have the debate whether a trophy will take the club to the next level. I don’t agree with it. It only builds your ego. The most important thing for Tottenham right now is to always be in the top four."

That's music to Levy's ears.

:ROFLMAO:
Did he actually say that lol! I think I remember it now but I think you're spinning his words a bit because that would've been in response to constant Q's about us not having won a trophy for ages and he was taking some pressure off by saying that first we need to consistently be up in the top4 which because at that point we hadn't been.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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I rely more on our ITK than on pure imagination of the crowd. Who was your ITK that stated that Bastoni was not attainable?

Mate I’m not getting into he said she said with ITKs. I don’t want to be accused of ITK bashing.

I’m on this forum everyday so my summary is purely from what I read from ITKs on here.

Nothing to do with ‘pure imagination’ FFS
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Again we’re going to have the debate whether a trophy will take the club to the next level. I don’t agree with it. It only builds your ego. The most important thing for Tottenham right now is to always be in the top four."
But then proceeded to lead us to 2x title challenges and a CL Final lol so I think perspective is needed when analysing this quote as to what Q his response was in answer to and where we stood as a club at that time etc.
 

bubble07

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But then proceeded to lead us to 2x title challenges and a CL Final lol so I think perspective is needed when analysing this quote as to what Q his response was in answer to and where we stood as a club at that time etc.

Agree. But if the chairman and manager clearly don't care about domestic cups that obviously filters down to the players

How a team can dismiss trophies when it's won 3 in 30 years is pathetic
 

spurs mental

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Did he actually say that lol! I think I remember it now but I think you're spinning his words a bit because that would've been in response to constant Q's about us not having won a trophy for ages and he was taking some pressure off by saying that first we need to consistently be up in the top4 which because at that point we hadn't been.
It was directly after we lost to Palace in the FA Cup, and had lost to Chelsea midweek in the League Cup. In January 2019
 

Trix

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I mean you have nowhere near enough insights to say that? Why are so many losing perspective. If there would be no ambition at all why take out that money in the first place and actually spend 100m of it on new players? Why agree to sign a 60m back up striker? Why agree to spend 40m on a specific RWB in winter?
Maybe the extra 50m were there for a CB, but Paratici and Conte failed to bring up an attainable target?

I don't get why people ignore we made quite a lot money available for transfers while obviously still moving in our limits and budget. Should we be sorry for not doing a Chelsea or City spending?

Why isn't the focus more on HOW the money was spent since Conte and Paratici took over? I believe in actually decent players who Conte fails to get the best out (yet). I guess when Conte and Levy hold taks Conte was made assurances he will be backed (what i think we mainly did, maybe we could have pushed more here and there). But also I fully believe Conte made Levy also assurances he can work with a lot of the squad and didn't tell Levy I'll take Kane and Son and want nine new starters....
For over 2 decades we've had posters making excuses as to why it might not be Levy's fault after almost every window. That's 40 odd windows mate with only a very select handful of them actually being a success. I'll add to that of those windows that were a success have a look to see if Baldini, Arnessen or Paratici were at the club.
 

bubble07

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For over 2 decades we've had posters making excuses as to why it might not be Levy's fault after almost every window. That's 40 odd windows mate with only a very select handful of them actually being a success. I'll add to that of those windows that were a success have a look to see if Baldini, Arnessen or Paratici were at the club.

Agree but the flip side is some of those transfers that flopped might not have if they were better coached/integrated
 

Trix

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We’ve spent a lot of money though??

Paratici has pretty much bought an entire first 11. We were never gonna reach Man U/Chelsea levels of spending but we’re one of the highest spenders in Europe.

Conte might have been asking for a new CB but he was also asking for a RWB and another attacker - which we signed in Jan.

I personally think Conte was happy with Lenglet as a stop gap this season and the decision was made by him and FP to review the situation in the summer when Gvardiol, Bastoni, Hincapie might be more getable. If they were available in Jan, of course that would preferable, but I don ‘t think there is the desperation that is being made out here.
Was he asking for "another attacker" or was he asking for a specific attacker that very clearly was attainable because he moved a week later? If you can't see we opted for Danjuma because he was cheap as chips and fell into our lap I don't know what to say. He had literally done his media shots in an Everton shirt. If he was really one we wanted that wouldn't have even gotten close.
 

YB123

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Did he actually say that lol! I think I remember it now but I think you're spinning his words a bit because that would've been in response to constant Q's about us not having won a trophy for ages and he was taking some pressure off by saying that first we need to consistently be up in the top4 which because at that point we hadn't been.

Yep, unfortunately. Hence my reluctance for his return. That mentality has surely rubbed off from levy and Poch to the players, not helped by sacking cup machine Mourinho a few days before final. Madness.
 

y1dk1d

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Between not being around much recently (not his fault) and the fact he won’t be here next season (somewhat his fault) I feel like he’s been gone for a while already
 

Misfit

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"It's always the fault of these other douchebags, noting to do with us. We're perfect. If only it wasn't for all these jerks coming in here with their sweet talk and promises and preventing us from seeing success."

- THFC Board and long-term squad members

The club sounds like a complete bucket of arseholes from top to bottom tbh.
 

carpediem991

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For over 2 decades we've had posters making excuses as to why it might not be Levy's fault after almost every window. That's 40 odd windows mate with only a very select handful of them actually being a success. I'll add to that of those windows that were a success have a look to see if Baldini, Arnessen or Paratici were at the club.

All in all it is Levys fault as he is the main responsible person of the club. But he is actually not picking the players, is he? It may be down to a lack of consistent strategy and thats definitley on him. But he is right now not picking the players? In Pochs prime days we had exceptional deals with Lloris, Vertonghen, Alderweireld, Dembele, Eriksen, Dele, Son or Wanyama. Some just got really kicked on when the team had a working structure that was suited to their skillset.
Throw in Bissouma, Richarlison or Spence in the right setup and I believe they would be great additions. I do not think our manager, who I firmly believe picked these players with Paraticis team, has the right set up to make the best use of them. And if its all down to one or two CBs they have genuinly made wrong priorities. I don't believe Levy said you can spend 60m on a back up striker but not 30-50m on a new CB. I think you need to look more detailed at it....
 

Trix

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Agree but the flip side is some of those transfers that flopped might not have if they were better coached/integrated
Maybe you are right but then he appoints those coaches as well mate. I don't know what else to say really 2 decades of going from one type of manager to then completely the opposite type isn't going to help either is it. Successful clubs appoint the right people and let them get on with it, or in Chelsea's case they just keep throwing money at it until it works. We are never going to be that club so it has to be the former. Even when we seem to get the appointment right how much do we let them get on with it, and get them what they ask for? The list is pretty long now regarding how many times managers have asked for one thing or another and instead literally got whatever the budget option was at that time. From Saha and Nelson to Djed Spence and Danjuma, nothing has really changed!
 

YB123

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All in all it is Levys fault as he is the main responsible person of the club. But he is actually not picking the players, is he? It may be down to a lack of consistent strategy and thats definitley on him. But he is right now not picking the players? In Pochs prime days we had exceptional deals with Lloris, Vertonghen, Alderweireld, Dembele, Eriksen, Dele, Son or Wanyama. Some just got really kicked on when the team had a working structure that was suited to their skillset.
Throw in Bissouma, Richarlison or Spence in the right setup and I believe they would be great additions. I do not think our manager, who I firmly believe picked these players with Paraticis team, has the right set up to make the best use of them. And if its all down to one or two CBs they have genuinly made wrong priorities. I don't believe Levy said you can spend 60m on a back up striker but not 30-50m on a new CB. I think you need to look more detailed at it....

Mate how many managerial cock-ups and player and staff recruitment cock-ups do we need before we place the overall blame on him.

Of course players and coaches always need to take blame, but only a proportion of the blame.

This pattern of all too familiar occurrences lies solely with Levy. I dont think there is too much detail needed.
 

carpediem991

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Was he asking for "another attacker" or was he asking for a specific attacker that very clearly was attainable because he moved a week later? If you can't see we opted for Danjuma because he was cheap as chips and fell into our lap I don't know what to say. He had literally done his media shots in an Everton shirt. If he was really one we wanted that wouldn't have even gotten close.

There might be a reason no one aside of Bournemouth really wanted a crocked Zaniolo. If Conte is here to stay I'd say give it a go. Otherwise its perfectly reasonable to move on from this one. He actually got a 40m RWB he can now work with....
 
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