Next Manager Watch

GetSpurredOn · Mar 23, 2023

easley91 said:
Or hear me out.. we are trying to get someone permanent in now and so we are waiting until then to announce it?

Snarfalicious said:
I think given the time that has passed it’s a matter of trying to get their next appointment lined up now to be announced shortly after Conte departs. Only way it can make sense, in my opinion.

The optics of this would look a lot better.

Option A - fast turnaround - go out and sack Conte asap, Mason in charge till end of the season, recruitment of a new manager will now commence. Looks bad, looks very reactionary, looks clueless and panicked.

Option B - takes a little longer - sack Conte, announce Mason as interim but that manager “xxxxxxxx” has already agreed to take over in the summer once current commitments are resolved. Looks like we’ve reacted and put a cohesive plan in place by assessing options and getting a new manager secured for after end of season. Also good on the new manager to stick by his current commitments, makes him seem like the sort of calibre we want.

Option C - takes longer still - Sack Conte, announce manager “xxxxxxx” will be taking over with immediate effect. Takes longer than option A or B, but still soon enough to look decisive but more considered, less reactionary. Actually appears like contingency plans were not far away.

It does feel like Conte’s position is untenable and the longer we wait to hear the board are doing something, you’d hope it is because we have gone past option A and are taking a more measured approach towards B or even C. Having Mason here does help with that parachute option to drop in and hold the fort at a moments notice, so beyond that it is all about the ability to appease the fans with a strong recovery plan going forwards.

JonnySpurs · Mar 23, 2023

Timberwolf said:
I know no-one's really serious, but why does Barber as CEO keep getting brought up? It's never gonna happen and just a kind of a pointless thing to talk about. We've got as much chance of signing Mbappe.

It's been talked about in an article in The Athletic this morning apparently. That's why it's being discussed. I haven't read it so I dont know if its just opinion or there's some inside info behind it but it's certainly not the worst idea.

Ghost Hardware · Mar 23, 2023

rossdapep said:
Levy and Paratici are behaving as if we are Abramovich's Chelsea bit without the full backing.

We don't do that so we cannot jump for big name coach to big name regardless of system they use.

We need to operate within our means and be very strategic.

I get so frustrated when we are linked with certain names or the list is bundled with coaches who play vastly different systems.

It’s ridiculous isn’t it, there doesn’t seem to be any cohesion at all in the names being linked at present ether by press or ITK. Short term and long term managers, established names and fresh faces, those who prefer a pragmatic approach and those who like to attack. I’m honestly half expecting us to be looking at Simeone next.

I get that some names will be just guess by the press but I also know we appointed Nuno and Conte after supposedly deciding to go for an attacking manager so I sort of believe the supposed leaks.

Absolute shambles. I actually don’t know how we ever managed to get top 4 tbh. Clown show.

The Scarecrow · Mar 23, 2023

Trix said:
Levy has brought in 13 managers during his 22 years and of that 13 only one of them was given a contract extension. That's a fair old list of bringing in duds and/or pulling the trigger too early. I certainly don't trust his judgement on the matter.

I've said this before, but Dortmund have had 12 managers in the same period. They hit the jackpot with Klopp, we hit the jackpot with Poch. Apart from Klopp, no Dortmund manager has been at the club for more than two seasons in the last 20 years.

YB123 · Mar 23, 2023

The Scarecrow said:
I've said this before, but Dortmund have had 12 managers in the same period. They hit the jackpot with Klopp, we hit the jackpot with Poch. Apart from Klopp, no Dortmund manager has been at the club for more than two seasons in the last 20 years.

You sure about that?

Terzic, Rose, Favre, Stoger, Bosz, Tuchel, Klopp, Van Marwijk, Sammer

mil1lion · Mar 23, 2023

Changing manager every couple of years is not an issue when you have structure. Barca is a great example of that. They've even had managers who play different styles and formations but they always seem to have the players to make it work. I do think that the manager doesn't have to be great but rather someone the players buy into. If we get the signings right in the summer any good manager should do well. The issue is getting a good manager who is used to working with great squads and expecting similar results. Until we get a great squad we'll always fall short but get a man manager that the players love to play for we'll at least be fun to watch and competitive.

C0YS · Mar 23, 2023

GetSpurredOn said:
The optics of this would look a lot better.

Option A - fast turnaround - go out and sack Conte asap, Mason in charge till end of the season, recruitment of a new manager will now commence. Looks bad, looks very reactionary, looks clueless and panicked.

Option B - takes a little longer - sack Conte, announce Mason as interim but that manager “xxxxxxxx” has already agreed to take over in the summer once current commitments are resolved. Looks like we’ve reacted and put a cohesive plan in place by assessing options and getting a new manager secured for after end of season. Also good on the new manager to stick by his current commitments, makes him seem like the sort of calibre we want.

Option C - takes longer still - Sack Conte, announce manager “xxxxxxx” will be taking over with immediate effect. Takes longer than option A or B, but still soon enough to look decisive but more considered, less reactionary. Actually appears like contingency plans were not far away.

It does feel like Conte’s position is untenable and the longer we wait to hear the board are doing something, you’d hope it is because we have gone past option A and are taking a more measured approach towards B or even C. Having Mason here does help with that parachute option to drop in and hold the fort at a moments notice, so beyond that it is all about the ability to appease the fans with a strong recovery plan going forwards.

You cant announce a manager and have a caretaker. Completely undermines who is temporarily incharge and will create problems if, say, they do exceptionally well. (Imagine mason finishes the season unbeaten? Would be very embarrassing to then get a new one in)

Marantz · Mar 23, 2023

What ever happenes is not happening fast enough.

lobob8 · Mar 23, 2023

Have a feeling that this will drag through the weekend and then be done Monday/Tuesday, Conte out and the new man in the next morning. Can't see it being any of the ones currently employed.

YB123 · Mar 23, 2023

lobob8 said:
Have a feeling that this will drag through the weekend and then be done Monday/Tuesday, Conte out and the new man in the next morning. Can't see it being any of the ones currently employed.

I reckon we will have no plan and it will be Mason or ata push Stellini for the meantime.

Timberwolf · Mar 23, 2023

mil1lion said:
Changing manager every couple of years is not an issue when you have structure. Barca is a great example of that. They've even had managers who play different styles and formations but they always seem to have the players to make it work. I do think that the manager doesn't have to be great but rather someone the players buy into. If we get the signings right in the summer any good manager should do well. The issue is getting a good manager who is used to working with great squads and expecting similar results. Until we get a great squad we'll always fall short but get a man manager that the players love to play for we'll at least be fun to watch and competitive.

Thing is, the clubs that tend to be successful while changing manager every 2 seasons tend to be incredibly wealthy and spend big money or poach off their rivals to stay at the top (Chelsea, Madrid, Bayern, Barca).

To actually make the jump UP to the top you usually need more of a sustained project like Ferguson, Wenger, Klopp or, in a Spurs context, Poch.

The only time Dortmund and Spurs ever really had any sustained success in the past 15 years was during the Poch and Klopp eras.

I guess the other thing about all those managers listed is that, surprise surprise, they're all really fucking good. So I guess it's simple - we just need to hire a manager so good we never need to sack them!

lobob8 · Mar 23, 2023

YB123 said:
I reckon we will have no plan and it will be Mason or ata push Stellini for the meantime.

While I wouldn't mind the Stellini-Mason combo would it even be possible to just fire Conte and keep his staff?

richard_gleeson · Mar 23, 2023

lobob8 said:
While I wouldn't mind the Stellini-Mason combo would it even be possible to just fire Conte and keep his staff?

No can't see that working at all as stellini is loyal to Conte so the mood wouldn't improve and it would just be weird

Ghost Hardware · Mar 23, 2023

lobob8 said:
Have a feeling that this will drag through the weekend and then be done Monday/Tuesday, Conte out and the new man in the next morning. Can't see it being any of the ones currently employed.

Honestly think this ends with Mason in charge until summer. Whilst I have no doubt we are trying to pick a new manager ASAP, as I mentioned in a post earlier, I just don't believe the board will come to any sort of unanimous agreement in such a short time frame and I don't think there is a manager that Levy particularly likes. Im sure this will end up with us dicking about well into summer probably rustling in a panic option after holding numerous rounds of interviews.

Zaphod · Mar 23, 2023

GetSpurredOn said:
The optics of this would look a lot better.

Option B - takes a little longer - sack Conte, announce Mason as interim but that manager “xxxxxxxx” has already agreed to take over in the summer once current commitments are resolved. Looks like we’ve reacted and put a cohesive plan in place by assessing options and getting a new manager secured for after end of season. Also good on the new manager to stick by his current commitments, makes him seem like the sort of calibre we want.

I still remember Pleat's 'Done and dusted'...

Styopa · Mar 23, 2023

Timberwolf said:
Thing is, the clubs that tend to be successful while changing manager every 2 seasons tend to be incredibly wealthy and spend big money or poach off their rivals to stay at the top (Chelsea, Madrid, Bayern, Barca).

To actually make the jump UP to the top you usually need more of a sustained project like Ferguson, Wenger, Klopp or, in a Spurs context, Poch.

The only time Dortmund and Spurs ever really had any sustained success in the past 15 years was during the Poch and Klopp eras.

I guess the other thing about all those managers listed is that, surprise surprise, they're all really fucking good. So I guess it's simple - we just need to hire a manager so good we never need to sack them!

Yeah, we have just witnessed this with Conte. Whereas one of the big spenders may have given him all he needed in one or two windows, we always discussed needing several windows to develop the squad. So we might buy one 60 million pound player a window whereas one of the big spenders might buy two or three. And inevitably, those clubs tend to have better squads to start with because they are constantly investing considerable amounts in the best players.

HodisGawd · Mar 23, 2023

Just get Tuchel in now!

If you take away the Chelsea link and the fact he looks like a junkie, then he ticks every box.

Ghost Hardware · Mar 23, 2023

HodisGawd said:
Just get Tuchel in now!

If you take away the Chelsea link and the fact he looks like a junkie, then he ticks every box.

Not for me, far too argumentative. If he didn't have such a track record of falling out with owners and players id be more open but for me we need a manger who isn't just a good tactician but also a good man manger. We've had three managers in a row with stand offish characters and I really feel it just doesn't work for us. I don't doubt he's a good tactical manager, even tho he can sometimes be quite programmatic at times, but the overall package just isn't a good fit for us.

I really think we should be looking for a longer term manager who we can build a new project, not another short term Jose/Conte type manager. I really don't think they are right for us or Levy.

The Scarecrow · Mar 23, 2023

YB123 said:
You sure about that?

Terzic, Rose, Favre, Stoger, Bosz, Tuchel, Klopp, Van Marwijk, Sammer

Add Doll and Röber between Klopp and van Marwijk. It's 11 if you don't count Terzic twice, but his two stints helps my point however you look at it.

RuskyM · Mar 23, 2023

HodisGawd said:
Just get Tuchel in now!

If you take away the Chelsea link and the fact he looks like a junkie, then he ticks every box.

I think he looks more like a cartoon of a nerd.

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