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parj · Mar 23, 2023

strader said:
I kinda figured something out..... It was always lingering in my after thought but now I have hit the light bulb moment.

When United beat us and it lead to Conte appointment I believe that will be a landmark to the change of the direction for spurs. I laughed at United as they missed out on Conte and eventually United got Ten Hag.

Arguably Ten Hag has moved united major steps forward and we have declined. Not because Ten Hag is a better manager but he was supported by his club, I look at the red neighbors and see what their manager has done, fully supported and they have moved major steps forward. also majority of clubs who support their manager do go on and eventually bring success.

Now, why would Poch want to come back and face the same problems he endured the last time. I believe not just because he didn't come out and rant like Conte didn't meant he didn't feel similar pain, also Jose too.

The board tries to get successful managers but misses the crucial ingredients that made them successful. 100% support from the board. We can't get the best and believe they will replicate their previous success with us.

Now back to my light bulb moment.... I care to much about something I can not control, I have great expectations of spurs; basically maybe it is never to be. Maybe I am just a supporter to cheer when we win and understand we aren't going to be challengers for top honours.

I just want to enjoy our football.

ETH has made Rashford a star again. He made Fred a real PL player.... All in the space of 9 months? Yes he signed players but he is also working with what he has and is getting more out of them.

dude573 · Mar 23, 2023

HodisGawd said:
Just get Tuchel in now!

If you take away the Chelsea link and the fact he looks like a junkie, then he ticks every box.

For every other club this is correct. However, we have a chairman who has more or less fallen out with every manager he has ever hired. Tuchel and Levy is destined to fail.

It is ridiculous when you think about it, but we need a manager who will be able to put up with Levy's crap for a few years at least.

Goobers · Mar 23, 2023

parj said:
ETH has made Rashford a star again. He made Fred a real PL player.... All in the space of 9 months? Yes he signed players but he is also working with what he has and is getting more out of them.

OK. I can't really disagree with much there. I think he has done a good job but I have no idea how good Man Utd truly are and I have still seen them recently and thought they are pretty mediocre.
It is also a hugely expensively assembled squad.
I think he has made strides for sure but I am going to hold off judging them as a Premier league super power once again for now.

Spurzinho · Mar 23, 2023

I can't believe people want Tuchel. The guy that as temperamental as Jose & Conte. I can't be bothered with another 18 months of silly buggers. Let's get someone in who is just going to get stuck in.

jpascavitz · Mar 23, 2023

Spurzinho said:
I can't believe people want Tuchel. The guy that as temperamental as Jose & Conte. I can't be bothered with another 18 months of silly buggers. Let's get someone in who is just going to get stuck in.

Tuchel now or Glasner by the end of Summer - Who you taking?

RuskyM · Mar 23, 2023

I mean the amount of managerial change isn't massively unprecedented. Looking at the super league clubs, the managers they've had since 2001 (estimates, I'm not 100% on these):

Atletico: 9 managers
Real Madrid: 16 managers
Barcelona: 13 managers
Inter: 15 managers*
Milan: 10 managers*
Juventus: 13 managers
Arsenal: 3 managers (2 in the past 5 years)
Chelsea: 16 managers
Liverpool: 6 managers
Man City: 7 managers
Man United: 7 managers (6 in the last 10 years)
Spurs: 12 managers (13 if you count Mason)
Bayern: 12 managers
Dortmund: 10 managers
PSG: 11 managers

*Italian football is weird and I genuinely can't tell how many of these are permanent appointments.

It's not *hugely* out of the ordinary.

robhumphreys · Mar 23, 2023

HodisGawd said:
Just get Tuchel in now!

If you take away the Chelsea link and the fact he looks like a junkie, then he ticks every box.

Just another disaster waiting to happen. Last 2 clubs he could buy whoever he wanted. Comes to us doesn't get the same level of support and leaves. Another Jose and Conte.

king_yid · Mar 23, 2023

Tezza1978 said:
0% chance we offer De Zerbi that much.

Me neither but that wasn't really my point

Ghost Hardware · Mar 23, 2023

From 2021 and thus before they won the league but a nice quick read thread on Gallardo for those who can't face a long tactical article. Funny you can see quite a few Spurs fans in the replies saying we should go for him (in 2021).

lobob8 · Mar 23, 2023

Spurzinho said:
I can't believe people want Tuchel. The guy that as temperamental as Jose & Conte. I can't be bothered with another 18 months of silly buggers. Let's get someone in who is just going to get stuck in.

I can understand this. Part of me wants Tuchel mostly just because of the handshake memes and the fact that Chelsea fans would lose their shit, majority I've seen online miss him.

What do you think of Enrique?

YB123 · Mar 23, 2023

Ghost Hardware said:
Not for me, far too argumentative. If he didn't have such a track record of falling out with owners and players id be more open but for me we need a manger who isn't just a good tactician but also a good man manger. We've had three managers in a row with stand offish characters and I really feel it just doesn't work for us. I don't doubt he's a good tactical manager, even tho he can sometimes be quite programmatic at times, but the overall package just isn't a good fit for us.

I really think we should be looking for a longer term manager who we can build a new project, not another short term Jose/Conte type manager. I really don't think they are right for us or Levy.

He fell out for the right reasons though.

Dortmund they signed Isak and someone without him knowing. Thats unacceptable. They also sold his core of Hummels, Gunodgan and Mkhitariyan and went money crazy on attackers. Zorc was close to the CEO and came under fire.

PSG Leonardo was the common denominator as he fell out with all the managers there, including Poch.. Tuchel demanded they keep Thiago Silva and they got rid. He was proved right.

Boehly came in and signed tons of players Tuchel didnt want. Guess what, they are overloaded with players and many signings dont look good enough.

He's not left because there's a lack of spending or throwing his toys out the pram because hes not getting who he wants, its for the best of the clubs interests and he has been proven right every time.

It doesnt mean he isnt shying away from confrontation, he is his own man and I get that its almost repeat but lets not make out like its been his fault at all former clubs.

Ghost Hardware · Mar 23, 2023

YB123 said:
He fell out for the right reasons though.

Dortmund they signed Isak and someone without him knowing. Thats unacceptable. They also sold his core of Hummels, Gunodgan and Mkhitariyan and went money crazy on attackers. Zorc was close to the CEO and came under fire.

PSG Leonardo was the common denominator as he fell out with all the managers there, including Poch.. Tuchel demanded they keep Thiago Silva and they got rid. He was proved right.

Boehly came in and signed tons of players Tuchel didnt want. Guess what, they are overloaded with players and many signings dont look good enough.

He's not left because there's a lack of spending or throwing his toys out the pram because hes not getting who he wants, its for the best of the clubs interests and he has been proven right every time.

It doesnt mean he isnt shying away from confrontation, he is his own man and I get that its almost repeat but lets not make out like its been his fault at all former clubs.

And what if Levy starts interfering with transfers and not getting him the players he requested which he has done with pretty much every manager we have ever had regardless of a DoF? Even if its not about how much we spend I can still feel there will be friction eventually. Anyway, my concern isn't primarily that, its the fact he isn't a man manger at least not in the way we need as I said in my post.

newbie · Mar 23, 2023

YB123 said:
He fell out for the right reasons though.

Dortmund they signed Isak and someone without him knowing. Thats unacceptable. They also sold his core of Hummels, Gunodgan and Mkhitariyan and went money crazy on attackers. Zorc was close to the CEO and came under fire.

PSG Leonardo was the common denominator as he fell out with all the managers there, including Poch.. Tuchel demanded they keep Thiago Silva and they got rid. He was proved right.

Boehly came in and signed tons of players Tuchel didnt want. Guess what, they are overloaded with players and many signings dont look good enough.

He's not left because there's a lack of spending or throwing his toys out the pram because hes not getting who he wants, its for the best of the clubs interests and he has been proven right every time.

It doesnt mean he isnt shying away from confrontation, he is his own man and I get that its almost repeat but lets not make out like its been his fault at all former clubs.

so he is a time bomb if his working under Levy

YB123 · Mar 23, 2023

Ghost Hardware said:
And what if Levy starts interfering with transfers and not getting him the players he requested which he has done with pretty much every manager we have ever had regardless of a DoF? Even if its not about how much we spend I can still feel there will be friction eventually. Anyway, my concern isn't primarily that, its the fact he isn't a man manger at least not in the way we need as I said in my post.

Completely agree about Levy side of things thats the issue AGAIN.

But he is a top man manager, those massive ego's at PSG and Chelsea loved him.

king_yid · Mar 23, 2023

YB123 said:
He fell out for the right reasons though.

Dortmund they signed Isak and someone without him knowing. Thats unacceptable. They also sold his core of Hummels, Gunodgan and Mkhitariyan and went money crazy on attackers. Zorc was close to the CEO and came under fire.

PSG Leonardo was the common denominator as he fell out with all the managers there, including Poch.. Tuchel demanded they keep Thiago Silva and they got rid. He was proved right.

Boehly came in and signed tons of players Tuchel didnt want. Guess what, they are overloaded with players and many signings dont look good enough.

He's not left because there's a lack of spending or throwing his toys out the pram because hes not getting who he wants, its for the best of the clubs interests and he has been proven right every time.

It doesnt mean he isnt shying away from confrontation, he is his own man and I get that its almost repeat but lets not make out like its been his fault at all former clubs.

Damn you're actually convincing me.

Timberwolf · Mar 23, 2023

YB123 said:
He fell out for the right reasons though.

Dortmund they signed Isak and someone without him knowing. Thats unacceptable. They also sold his core of Hummels, Gunodgan and Mkhitariyan and went money crazy on attackers. Zorc was close to the CEO and came under fire.

PSG Leonardo was the common denominator as he fell out with all the managers there, including Poch.. Tuchel demanded they keep Thiago Silva and they got rid. He was proved right.

Boehly came in and signed tons of players Tuchel didnt want. Guess what, they are overloaded with players and many signings dont look good enough.

He's not left because there's a lack of spending or throwing his toys out the pram because hes not getting who he wants, its for the best of the clubs interests and he has been proven right every time.

It doesnt mean he isnt shying away from confrontation, he is his own man and I get that its almost repeat but lets not make out like its been his fault at all former clubs.

Something tells me he'd fall out with Levy for the right reasons too...

Sad truth is we probably need a manager who will toe the line to some degree like Poch did otherwise they'll storm off or be booted within 18 months.

Snarfalicious · Mar 23, 2023

All I know is whoever we end up naming as our next manager, there will be like 50% of the people around here upset.

shelfsidespur · Mar 23, 2023

YB123 said:
I reckon we will have no plan and it will be Mason or ata push Stellini for the meantime.

How much of a plan can DL be expected to have at this stage,? Unknowns at this stage are enormous and will be nothing other than the hoped-for final destination. Unknowns , Nature of manager, availability, managers strategy, cost , relationship with players, new players required, managers team, existing players, and importantly but often neglected development from kids to first team. So being realistic there will will be a series of aims.

Then get your cornerstones and start planning.

Trix · Mar 23, 2023

RuskyM said:
I mean the amount of managerial change isn't massively unprecedented. Looking at the super league clubs, the managers they've had since 2001 (estimates, I'm not 100% on these):

Atletico: 9 managers
Real Madrid: 16 managers
Barcelona: 13 managers
Inter: 15 managers*
Milan: 10 managers*
Juventus: 13 managers
Arsenal: 3 managers (2 in the past 5 years)
Chelsea: 16 managers
Liverpool: 6 managers
Man City: 7 managers
Man United: 7 managers (6 in the last 10 years)
Spurs: 12 managers (13 if you count Mason)
Bayern: 12 managers
Dortmund: 10 managers
PSG: 11 managers

*Italian football is weird and I genuinely can't tell how many of these are permanent appointments.

It's not *hugely* out of the ordinary.

Right and how many of those clubs have had the same one man responsible for bringing all those managers in. With most of those clubs the main man gets the boot after he's made 2-3 managerial blunders. So how many individuals have made as many errors as Levy in that time frame?

teok · Mar 23, 2023

Ghost Hardware said:
From 2021 and thus before they won the league but a nice quick read thread on Gallardo for those who can't face a long tactical article. Funny you can see quite a few Spurs fans in the replies saying we should go for him (in 2021).

Redemption for tanguy. :LOL:

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