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olliec · Mar 24, 2023

olliec said:
I think 99.9% of us would get behind Nagalsman, but now is not the time. Let Conte see out this season and finish the campaign so Nagalsman can start fresh in the summer. It’s not a good time to come in right now with so many injuries and hostile environment.

Haha I’m guessing 99% of the fan base want him out now. If he’s in charge of our next home game I would hate to see the reception he gets.

PaulThurston · Mar 24, 2023

I seem to have lost the "change vote" button. Is that just me?

DanielJohnCosta · Mar 24, 2023

GutBucket said:
We should explore German market more for players, we were already getting linked to Hincapie,Ndicka and Thuram. Maybe we would focus there more with Nagelsmann in charge. Everyone falls out with Salihamidzic but I'm more concerned about Neuer situation. I would still be happy with him though.

Ehhhhhhh

richard_gleeson · Mar 24, 2023

Nagelsmann seems like the type who will just get on with it and won't sulk about getting sacked. Hopefully ready to start straight away

Gilzeanking · Mar 24, 2023

Oh, a bit sad that my choice, Tuchel is off the bill. ...my prediction is Poch tho and that's not changed.

Booney · Mar 24, 2023

Inexplicable gut-feeling that Conte end up at Madrid when the merry-go round stops.

Just feels like the right fit for the team and the man.

olliec · Mar 24, 2023

As much as I will always admire and respect Poch. I just can’t see nothing changing under our current owners and Levy knows he will have a much easier time shutting down Poch as he’s done it before. This is why I’m against Poch, but in the future if we are under new owners who back their manager 100% I would welcome him with open arms. For now I would like to see Nagalsmann and see how much levy will back him as he’s a big admirer of him.

freeeki · Mar 24, 2023

To put Nagelsmann’s “flop” season in context - Bayern are 2nd in the league, one point off Dortmund in 1st, have lost 3 games all season, have scored 17 more goals (an average of 2.9 goals per game), and conceded 4 fewer.

Scot-Spur · Mar 24, 2023

freeeki said:
To put Nagelsmann’s “flop” season in context - Bayern are 2nd in the league, one point off Dortmund in 1st, have lost 3 games all season, have scored 17 more goals (an average of 2.9 goals per game), and conceded 4 fewer.

People just complain about anything, always finding negatives. *IF* Nagelsmann would come to us we should jump at the opportunity.

spursfan1991 · Mar 24, 2023

PaulThurston said:
I seem to have lost the "change vote" button. Is that just me?

fixed

piedpiper · Mar 24, 2023

worcestersauce said:
Here's what I think.
Anybody who questions whether whether Nagelsman is good enough for us based on anything happening at Bayern has a higher opinion of us than we currently deserve. If we're going to dismiss the likes of him I genuinely don't know who the hell is good enough.
Is he really likely to be leading the list for Real Madrid, I doubt it as I just don't think he fits the profile but then we're not Real Madrid. I don't know if we are going in for him, I'd be amazed if we aren't but I do know he's good enough to take the chance.

Some didn't want Tuchel....Tuchel....seriously and is deemed good enough for the Bayern job....very few people's opinion on here that I honestly rate...the rest is all just emotional outbursts..... i always think of the lone voice back when we were in for Ndombele who cautioned us...then a handful who cautioned us on Conte football and 95% extolled the virtues of his pedigree...well see how that ended.

I'll take Poch, Nagelsmann in a heart beat... The Brighton guy I'd be cautious....due to their structure, this Gallardo chap other than on here I'd never heard of him. Enrique there is whispers of caution...I'll listen to that too.

But back to your point..we want a project manager...he fits the bill for sure.....but I'd be happier of we structured everything from top to bottom so that je can succeed.... recruiting, playing philosophy through all our youth teams, loan structure for future talent etc.

Ghost Hardware · Mar 24, 2023

C0YS said:
Sorry they are 7 points from falling out of the champions league places. They are averaging a little over 2 a game. Thats normally barely enough to get you 3rd. Bayern have been crazy inconsistent its been Objectively a very bad season for them. Particularly as the clubs they are now in a dog fight with Frieburg, Union, Leipzig and Dortmund are not top teams right now. Not even close to being top teams. They are lucky that no team has been able to be consistent otherwise they wouldnt even be in a title race.

Similarly, while bayern fans, rightfully, feel the board has beem incredibly unfair in how he has been sacked. Its also a very odd time to sack him, before the Dortmund game. Mostst do not seem to have viewed him as a success (Id say none?). Reading in the german forum it appears players pushed the board to act as they weren't happy with him. Most seem to appreciate that he tried his best and maybe it was a little early for him. Most also accept that he was backed to the tilt which is rare at bayern and he has no one to blame for not making it work. A minorityfeel he was right in trying to move bayern on from entitled players and believed it would get better, another minority are actively thanking Muller who some seem to believe was the main factor in him leaving. Check the german forums.

The team was going backwards. The football not as good nor exciting as under flick. The sacking made sense.

Last season they won the league relatively comfortably but got knocked out against Villarreal on the CL, they also werent the same level as the flick team. This season, okay. They've reached the last 8 of the CL but the league form is very poor for bayern standards. Very poor indeed.

For context. Bayern have failed to win 10 games this season. The last time they failed to win more than that was in 2011/2012, 11 seasons ago. This isnt just a below par season its no good at all.

This doesnt mean hes a terrible manager. He is still one of the most exciting names about. But you would have to be living in a different world think his time at bayern as a success.

He will be a success elsewhere. I think it would be a good appointment but I dont think he is head and shoulders above other candidates. Hes not. Lots of promising stuff but lots of question marks too.

Great post. I certainly think some are majorly overhyping him as you point out. Not that he’s bad and he would be one of my preferred choices, but there are caveats as with a lot of our other targets as you say. I wouldn’t say he was head and shoulders above some of the others tho. Again I think he would need a very good DoF who is very much on the same page. Gallardo is still firmly my top pick.

I’d be very very surprised if Nagelsmann didn’t go straight to the top of Levy’s list tho. But still like I said early I’m not entirely convinced he will be going anywhere until summer and imo it would be very risky to wait for him, more so because of Chelsea than RM. I guess it will depend how sweet a package he is offered.

RuskyM · Mar 24, 2023

Have no real take on Nagelsmann's season (I do know his sacking of the goalkeeping coach was very unpopular) but, aside from whether he'd actually want to be here, have any managers succeeded in a job taken immediately after a sacking? Management is an incredibly draining thing and to be sacked is quite chastening: I can imagine you need some time to decompress and evaluate what went wrong.

easley91 · Mar 24, 2023

Nagelsmann has managed at the highest level already at 35. He's perfect. Do what we can to bring him in, but don't blame Levy if he says no to us.

easley91 · Mar 24, 2023

RuskyM said:
Have no real take on Nagelsmann's season (I do know his sacking of the goalkeeping coach was very unpopular) but, aside from whether he'd actually want to be here, have any managers succeeded in a job taken immediately after a sacking? Management is an incredibly draining thing and to be sacked is quite chastening: I can imagine you need some time to decompress and evaluate what went wrong.

Agree for him to start in the summer, Mason for the rest of the season. Sorted.

RuskyM · Mar 24, 2023

easley91 said:
Agree for him to start in the summer, Mason for the rest of the season. Sorted.

That's the sensible way around it, but mentally you're still committing yourself to a job days after being sacked by one of the biggest clubs in the world. I can't really think of many comparative examples.

shoggy33 · Mar 24, 2023

Would be amazed if Levy isn't all over JN like a rash, he ticks all the boxes: big name, project manager, exciting football, available. He's got to be right at the top of our list.

Ghost Hardware · Mar 24, 2023

RuskyM said:
Have no real take on Nagelsmann's season (I do know his sacking of the goalkeeping coach was very unpopular) but, aside from whether he'd actually want to be here, have any managers succeeded in a job taken immediately after a sacking? Management is an incredibly draining thing and to be sacked is quite chastening: I can imagine you need some time to decompress and evaluate what went wrong.

Yeah, considering he found after twitter did I doubt his mind will remotely be on his next job especially considering how things went sideways at BM.

The only slim chance he moves on now is him being young and a little egotistical maybe if Levy comes in with a very attractive offer then maybe he might move straight away. I’d think the fact we were talking to him in the past would help us in this regard as he would have already looked at us as a potential new job. Still I think it’s very unlikely he moves now.

TOLBINY · Mar 24, 2023

worcestersauce said:
Here's what I think.
Anybody who questions whether whether Nagelsman is good enough for us based on anything happening at Bayern has a higher opinion of us than we currently deserve. If we're going to dismiss the likes of him I genuinely don't know who the hell is good enough.
Is he really likely to be leading the list for Real Madrid, I doubt it as I just don't think he fits the profile but then we're not Real Madrid. I don't know if we are going in for him, I'd be amazed if we aren't but I do know he's good enough to take the chance.

IMHO the point of questioning Nagelsman is that Bayern are THE team in Germany and they typically outspend other teams in Germany, they have won the Bundesliga for the last ten years and if he struggles to win in that situation how the hell is he expected to succeed with us?

There are a lot of people on SC saying we should never have hired Jose or Conte because they need money to succeed, so we are now flirting with a manager who has money but is struggling to succeed at the top club in his country, makes no sense. And if I am not mistaken RBL won the German cup after Nagelsmann left so I am not sure we can use his time with them as a good enough reason to appoint - unless we just want to play a style of football that is more pleasing on the eye. Personally I want to win stuff - we played some nice football at times under Poch and won nothing , been there, done that.

The one thing we haven't tried is to appoint a proven winner and only buy him the actual players he asks for. As I have posted previously, if we cannot afford to do that in one or two transfer windows then the project should be to do it over 3 season or so (6 windows).

knowlespurs · Mar 24, 2023

Happy with poch or mandleson

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