Next Manager Watch

[cider spurs]

Likin' this thread. Reminds me of that Mambo no.5 song.

1.2....3.4.5

A little bit of Nuno in my life
A little bit of Tuchel by my side
A little bit of Poch's all I need
A little bit of Timmy's what I see
A little bit of Redknapp in the sun
A little bit of Mourinho all night long
A little bit of Conte, here I am
A little bit of every fucka and yer nan (ah)

 

[The Scarecrow]

Her follow up tweet.

Ok, so what do we need then? I'd argue that there's one perfect manager in the world, and that's Klopp (he's a prick, though). Apart from him, everyone has some sort of downside. Nagelsmann's downsides are few and dubious compared to the other candidates imo.

 

[allatsea]

I keep seeing variations on the idea that the next manager needs to be given time. And quite right too, the trouble is, we don't do that as a club or on here do we. Not really. The idea of being given 'time' is roughly a third to a half a season before the footballing intelligentsia on here start bitching that he's had enough time and we should be doing this or that. We need to change that. Half a season, one season, a season and a half, that's not being given time, a genuine process and philosophy that's also backed up with action by the owners will take longer than that and if it comes sooner, that's great. We need to understand this and it needs to be reflected in how we react when things go sour from time to time.

Whoever the next patsy is will, as usual, divide SC to the point where each match thread and the manager watch thread, will yo-yo with toxicity and support, a constant stream of "see I was right" posts from each side depending on every result and people so entrenched and invested in having been right to begin with that the place will be a festering pit of dissatisfaction, vitriol and spite toward each other, the players and the manager. We need to change that too.

Meh, the disciples of the knee will read this and think fuck you you silly old twat

What a fucking grand waste of time this post has been

Post of the year !

 

[Norgie]

I keep seeing variations on the idea that the next manager needs to be given time. And quite right too, the trouble is, we don't do that as a club or on here do we. Not really. The idea of being given 'time' is roughly a third to a half a season before the footballing intelligentsia on here start bitching that he's had enough time and we should be doing this or that. We need to change that. Half a season, one season, a season and a half, that's not being given time, a genuine process and philosophy that's also backed up with action by the owners will take longer than that and if it comes sooner, that's great. We need to understand this and it needs to be reflected in how we react when things go sour from time to time.

Whoever the next patsy is will, as usual, divide SC to the point where each match thread and the manager watch thread, will yo-yo with toxicity and support, a constant stream of "see I was right" posts from each side depending on every result and people so entrenched and invested in having been right to begin with that the place will be a festering pit of dissatisfaction, vitriol and spite toward each other, the players and the manager. We need to change that too.

Meh, the disciples of the knee will read this and think fuck you you silly old twat

What a fucking grand waste of time this post has been

Agree 100%, after the last few years I would like to think the fanbase has woken up to the fact we can't keep chopping and changing.

The two things we need in this club are 1) Pro active attacking football and 2) someone who generally people can like. The three most successful managers in recent history (Redknapp, Poch and Jol) are all characters the fanbase could warm too.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Ok, so what do we need then? I'd argue that there's one perfect manager in the world, and that's Klopp (he's a prick, though). Apart from him, everyone has some sort of downside. Nagelsmann's downsides are few and dubious compared to the other candidates imo.

There's a downside to pretty much every candidate and those are magnified by the conditions they'd be expected to work under. We see absolutely no evidence of a philosophy, no identity and no direction and that comes from the very top. So we're left with a list of people about whom we don't really focus on what positives they can bring because we know that those traits will probably be stifled by what and where we are as a club. And if there is a manager that ticks all (or most of) the boxes, do we really have any confidence that he'll be given the conditions to thrive?

So downside, upsides..............Each has it's merits but perhaps not as much as we think. What we need is some luck because it ain't going to happen by design. Not with the buffoonery we've been subjected to the past few years.

 

[Led Revolver]

I keep seeing variations on the idea that the next manager needs to be given time. And quite right too, the trouble is, we don't do that as a club or on here do we. Not really. The idea of being given 'time' is roughly a third to a half a season before the footballing intelligentsia on here start bitching that he's had enough time and we should be doing this or that. We need to change that. Half a season, one season, a season and a half, that's not being given time, a genuine process and philosophy that's also backed up with action by the owners will take longer than that and if it comes sooner, that's great. We need to understand this and it needs to be reflected in how we react when things go sour from time to time.

Whoever the next patsy is will, as usual, divide SC to the point where each match thread and the manager watch thread, will yo-yo with toxicity and support, a constant stream of "see I was right" posts from each side depending on every result and people so entrenched and invested in having been right to begin with that the place will be a festering pit of dissatisfaction, vitriol and spite toward each other, the players and the manager. We need to change that too.

Meh, the disciples of the knee will read this and think fuck you you silly old twat

What a fucking grand waste of time this post has been

For me, it’s as simple as if a manager invests pretty much every waking hour dedicated to our football club - the club I am passionate beyond all sense about - I support him, as our aims are the same. Managers deserve that respect on that basis IMO.

I think that can get easily forgotten by some when things start looking slightly less than rosy.

 

[danielneeds]

There's a downside to pretty much every candidate and those are magnified by the conditions they'd be expected to work under. We see absolutely no evidence of a philosophy, no identity and no direction and that comes from the very top. So we're left with a list of people about whom we don't really focus on what positives they can bring because we know that those traits will probably be stifled by what and where we are as a club. And if there is a manager that ticks all (or most of) the boxes, do we really have any confidence that he'll be given the conditions to thrive?

So downside, upsides..............Each has it's merits but perhaps not as much as we think. What we need is some luck because it ain't going to happen by design. Not with the buffoonery we've been subjected to the past few years.

The problem is the disconnect between the branding the club are keen to push, that we're a superclub, the best facilities, a history of European football, and the the prices they charge. Fans are expecting us to have a similar performance level to this type of club, which is to be competing every season. The truth is that the squad is below that level, and unless everyone accepts that, club and fans, we're gonna continue to struggle.

 

[crazyguitarman]

I keep seeing variations on the idea that the next manager needs to be given time. And quite right too, the trouble is, we don't do that as a club or on here do we. Not really. The idea of being given 'time' is roughly a third to a half a season before the footballing intelligentsia on here start bitching that he's had enough time and we should be doing this or that. We need to change that. Half a season, one season, a season and a half, that's not being given time, a genuine process and philosophy that's also backed up with action by the owners will take longer than that and if it comes sooner, that's great. We need to understand this and it needs to be reflected in how we react when things go sour from time to time.

Whoever the next patsy is will, as usual, divide SC to the point where each match thread and the manager watch thread, will yo-yo with toxicity and support, a constant stream of "see I was right" posts from each side depending on every result and people so entrenched and invested in having been right to begin with that the place will be a festering pit of dissatisfaction, vitriol and spite toward each other, the players and the manager. We need to change that too.

Meh, the disciples of the knee will read this and think fuck you you silly old twat

What a fucking grand waste of time this post has been

To be honest though I think the way some fans talk down others for not having the patience for a project is a bit much sometimes (not directed at you specifically).

The way I see it: everybody first gets a grace period of about a season, maybe longer if it's a previously successful manager (up until approximately the length of time it took to be successful elsewhere). Once that time is up, there has to be something there to show evidence that the project is worth continued buy-in, surely? Whether it be perhaps bad football but decent results, or bad results but decent signs of improvement on the pitch, the manager has to earn the continued trust in order for us to move forward with the project. It doesn't necessarily have to be much evidence, maybe some combination of squad togetherness, positivity on the pitch, commitment from the manager and the team is already enough - but I think it needs to be there. Then we can have the discussion about having more patience and giving more time.

So for me, long as this criteria is met to begin with, it can very well be years before we win a trophy. If there is nothing consistent to show though once that grace period is gone and they have had ample time to make a mark on the squad, then it's time to call it quits. At this point it becomes blind faith to continue, and there is not a manager in the world who is deserving of that in the face of the evidence we can actually see on the pitch in my view.

 

[mil1lion]

Sorry they are 7 points from falling out of the champions league places. They are averaging a little over 2 a game. Thats normally barely enough to get you 3rd. Bayern have been crazy inconsistent its been Objectively a very bad season for them. Particularly as the clubs they are now in a dog fight with Frieburg, Union, Leipzig and Dortmund are not top teams right now. Not even close to being top teams. They are lucky that no team has been able to be consistent otherwise they wouldnt even be in a title race.

Similarly, while bayern fans, rightfully, feel the board has beem incredibly unfair in how he has been sacked. Its also a very odd time to sack him, before the Dortmund game. Mostst do not seem to have viewed him as a success (Id say none?). Reading in the german forum it appears players pushed the board to act as they weren't happy with him. Most seem to appreciate that he tried his best and maybe it was a little early for him. Most also accept that he was backed to the tilt which is rare at bayern and he has no one to blame for not making it work. A minorityfeel he was right in trying to move bayern on from entitled players and believed it would get better, another minority are actively thanking Muller who some seem to believe was the main factor in him leaving. Check the german forums.

The team was going backwards. The football not as good nor exciting as under flick. The sacking made sense.

Last season they won the league relatively comfortably but got knocked out against Villarreal on the CL, they also werent the same level as the flick team. This season, okay. They've reached the last 8 of the CL but the league form is very poor for bayern standards. Very poor indeed.

For context. Bayern have failed to win 10 games this season. The last time they failed to win more than that was in 2011/2012, 11 seasons ago. This isnt just a below par season its no good at all.

This doesnt mean hes a terrible manager. He is still one of the most exciting names about. But you would have to be living in a different world think his time at bayern as a success.

He will be a success elsewhere. I think it would be a good appointment but I dont think he is head and shoulders above other candidates. Hes not. Lots of promising stuff but lots of question marks too.

A lot of teams have under performed though this season. Even City are and fucking arsenal are sitting top like Leicester did once. The world cup has had an impact for certain. I think its harsh to sack a manager off a season like this when his team are still doing well. It's completely irrelevant to compare points this season to last. Will City hit near 100 points this time around? I doubt it.

 

[JR1994]

the other side of the argument I guess?

Flick and pep both had issues with the board. The way Bayern’s run is slightly strange but the manager is seemingly just the coach to them

 

[Ndombers]

Wow 40 new pages since yesterday, something must have happened!

 

[teok]

So he is called "nails man" in english?

 

[Norgie]

Wow 40 new pages since yesterday, something must have happened!

Yep SC has got a sniff that the next new manager we can ruin has become free overnight

 

[RJR1949]

There's a downside to pretty much every candidate and those are magnified by the conditions they'd be expected to work under. We see absolutely no evidence of a philosophy, no identity and no direction and that comes from the very top. So we're left with a list of people about whom we don't really focus on what positives they can bring because we know that those traits will probably be stifled by what and where we are as a club. And if there is a manager that ticks all (or most of) the boxes, do we really have any confidence that he'll be given the conditions to thrive?

So downside, upsides..............Each has it's merits but perhaps not as much as we think. What we need is some luck because it ain't going to happen by design. Not with the buffoonery we've been subjected to the past few years.

I keep seeing variations on the idea that the next manager needs to be given time. And quite right too, the trouble is, we don't do that as a club or on here do we. Not really. The idea of being given 'time' is roughly a third to a half a season before the footballing intelligentsia on here start bitching that he's had enough time and we should be doing this or that. We need to change that. Half a season, one season, a season and a half, that's not being given time, a genuine process and philosophy that's also backed up with action by the owners will take longer than that and if it comes sooner, that's great. We need to understand this and it needs to be reflected in how we react when things go sour from time to time.

Whoever the next patsy is will, as usual, divide SC to the point where each match thread and the manager watch thread, will yo-yo with toxicity and support, a constant stream of "see I was right" posts from each side depending on every result and people so entrenched and invested in having been right to begin with that the place will be a festering pit of dissatisfaction, vitriol and spite toward each other, the players and the manager. We need to change that too.

Meh, the disciples of the knee will read this and think fuck you you silly old twat

What a fucking grand waste of time this post has been

Before Sugar, we had an identity - we were the club that played attractive, flowing football. As the great Danny Blanchflower said

“The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It's nothing of the kind. The game is about glory. It is about doing things in style, with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom.”.

This legacy lives on amongst the fans. I started supporting Spurs in the early 1960s and my son and grandson have heard (too) much about the glory days from me. They expect free-flowing football.

Sugar (and I’ve watched games next to him in the box at Spurs) did not understand any of this romance. He simply tried to run Spurs on the cheap in the same way as he ran Amstrad.

Levy kind of understands that the club needs to get back to its identity. He was on point when he talked about the club’s DNA. And in the Poch years he gave us the best football since Bill Nick. But he’s not a romantic at heart and his focus has been on the hard realities of building the stadium.

So I want a manager who’ll honour the club’s past as the home of good football. I want to enjoy going to the games again.

 

[greaves]

Wow 40 new pages since yesterday, something must have happened!

Somewhere, in a galaxy far away, a speck of space dust rolled 360 degrees. And stopped.

 

[Yantino]

I keep seeing variations on the idea that the next manager needs to be given time. And quite right too, the trouble is, we don't do that as a club or on here do we. Not really. The idea of being given 'time' is roughly a third to a half a season before the footballing intelligentsia on here start bitching that he's had enough time and we should be doing this or that. We need to change that. Half a season, one season, a season and a half, that's not being given time, a genuine process and philosophy that's also backed up with action by the owners will take longer than that and if it comes sooner, that's great. We need to understand this and it needs to be reflected in how we react when things go sour from time to time.

Whoever the next patsy is will, as usual, divide SC to the point where each match thread and the manager watch thread, will yo-yo with toxicity and support, a constant stream of "see I was right" posts from each side depending on every result and people so entrenched and invested in having been right to begin with that the place will be a festering pit of dissatisfaction, vitriol and spite toward each other, the players and the manager. We need to change that too.

Meh, the disciples of the knee will read this and think fuck you you silly old twat

What a fucking grand waste of time this post has been

This is why i think Poch is still the better option. He will get more time and patience from everyone.

 

[allatsea]

This is why i think Poch is still the better option. He will get more time and patience from everyone.

I don't want Poch back but there is a lot of truth in what you say.

 

[Dakes]

To put Nagelsmann’s “flop” season in context - Bayern are 2nd in the league, one point off Dortmund in 1st, have lost 3 games all season, have scored 17 more goals (an average of 2.9 goals per game), and conceded 4 fewer.

Sounds like he's just a German Pep Guardiola. We should be aiming for the German Arteta.

 

[jimbo]

I think if we were going to get Manglesname in, it would probably happen fairly quickly - at least in terms of agreeing something even if it's for the summer. The longer the wait the more likely he holds off and goes elsewhere I reckon.

So it feels like a very slim chance, albeit one we should pursue hard.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Klopp is the closest I can think; but I think someone pointed out there was around 4 months in between Dortmund + Liverpool – and it took him years to get Liverpool on track.

Tuchel took the Chelsea job a month after being sacked from PSG. Then went in to win the Champions League