Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

fridgemagnet · Mar 27, 2023

yido_number1 said:
Quite hard to get anything out of richarlison when the guy gets injured every week. Didn't even last the warm up against Southampton.

You know what I had wondered if that is where he was aiming his "selfish" outburst at (especially as he'd said the same thing about Richy's outburst the week before)
I.e he'd rather Richy had been honest after the warm-up and maybe he'd only miss a couple of games rather than risk potentially having him out for months! But Richy having played so few minutes took the risk to play rather than fess up, someone else starts. :unsure:

I'm likely totally wrong but it did make me wonder at the time.

rossdapep · Mar 27, 2023

jpascavitz said:
This is a really useful post, thanks for sharing. I actually remember the way we started the season (we were undefeated for a while) and our attack was creating some really good chances but it seemed like our final pass was always just a tad off. I remember thinking to myself, wow if we can just get cleaned up a bit we're going to start and put 3-4 past every side.

But there was the little tail off before the world cup, some injuries, the world cup break, and it just never got off the ground again! Mix that in with the personal news of Conte, and the health issues, it really starts to add up.

Obviously before the WC feels like so long ago, but I wonder why things started to turn around October

August:
3 wins, 2 draws - 10 goals for, 4 goals against

September:
3 wins, 1 loss (UCL) - 10 goals for, 5 goals against

October:
4 wins, 2 draws, 3 losses - 12 goals for, 12 goals against

November:
2 wins, 2 losses - 7 goals for, 8 goals against

Total: 22 matches - 1.77 goals for per match, 1.31 goals against per match

Yeah, that's what I recall.

Early season I did take into account people's concerns about the performances but I certainly expected a slow start due to Conte's training methods.

Having said that we were still creating 2 or 3 very good chances earlier on and not many the other way.

For example, the Wolves game. We were poor first half and created a good chance. However, Wolves did nothing really to test us despite having the better possession nd aggression.

Second half we turned it on and it was actually a comfortable victory in the end.

Therefore it felt like we had more 'staying power' and our fitness meant we would go the distance.

I certainly think Conte not evolving attacking patterns and Gian Piero's deaths have been the biggest two factors as to why this season promised a lot but delivered little.

fortworthspur · Mar 27, 2023

we're like Chelsea but without the trophies.

fridgemagnet · Mar 27, 2023

Trent Crimm said:
Liverpool.

if you have other questions I’m going to have to charge.

I can't see 'Puddle binning off wotsit teeth but maybe I've not been paying attention...

Trent Crimm · Mar 27, 2023

fridgemagnet said:
I can't see 'Puddle binning off wotsit teeth but maybe I've not been paying attention...

he’s gonna take a break soon. Watch.

jpascavitz · Mar 27, 2023

rossdapep said:
Yeah, that's what I recall.

Early season I did take into account people's concerns about the performances but I certainly expected a slow start due to Conte's training methods.

Having said that we were still creating 2 or 3 very good chances earlier on and not many the other way.

For example, the Wolves game. We were poor first half and created a good chance. However, Wolves did nothing really to test us despite having the better possession nd aggression.

Second half we turned it on and it was actually a comfortable victory in the end.

Therefore it felt like we had more 'staying power' and our fitness meant we would go the distance.

I certainly think Conte not evolving attacking patterns and Gian Piero's deaths have been the biggest two factors as to why this season promised a lot but delivered little.

Agree there was that horrible news, and it was widely reported how popular he was with the squad - despite being a fitness coach. I played the sport for years and can tell you that whoever is in charge of fitness is not generally liked haha.

That, niggling injuries started to creep in then the WC break sandwiched in between more personal news and a surgery for Conte, it's easy to see how it could have just kept piling up.

Matrix · Mar 27, 2023

fortworthspur said:
we're like Chelsea but without the trophies.

Or the investment in the playing staff.

SpursSince1980 · Mar 27, 2023

Darth Vega said:
This is crushing to read, not that any of it is a surprise. Impossible to muster any hope for the club going forward until they go. What a dreadful situation to be in as a fan.

Sad but true. It sucks all the hope out the room. Basically, there is no point in dreaming about a golden future when festering in a present puddle of shit.

CookieYiddo · Mar 27, 2023

Matrix said:
Or the investment in the playing staff.

Or the racism

fridgemagnet · Mar 27, 2023

Matrix said:
Or the investment in the playing staff.

Or casually being able to dubiously write off billions of pounds of debt...

olliec · Mar 27, 2023

The way this guy articulated his argument sums up exactly how we all feel! It’s not Conte it’s levy! And until he’s gone we are going around in circles. He’s just such a control freak and the fact he didn’t even pay much of a tribute to Conte for all he did for the club just shows his character.

Rout-Ledge · Mar 27, 2023

olliec said:
But we are still in 4th which is probably all levy asked for. He cares more about top 4 than a trophy, but we already know that

It seems strange out of context considering we’re in fourth I accept that, but the context is everything here.

YB123 · Mar 27, 2023

olliec said:
The way this guy articulated his argument sums up exactly how we all feel! It’s not Conte it’s levy! And until he’s gone we are going around in circles. He’s just such a control freak and the fact he didn’t even pay much of a tribute to Conte for all he did for the club just shows his character.

So refreshing. The amount of callers just screaming and shouting to Jordan without being constructive has been painful.

wspur · Mar 27, 2023

olliec said:
The way this guy articulated his argument sums up exactly how we all feel! It’s not Conte it’s levy! And until he’s gone we are going around in circles. He’s just such a control freak and the fact he didn’t even pay much of a tribute to Conte for all he did for the club just shows his character.

That's how you feel, not how we all feel. I enjoyed last season and hated this one. I couldn't wait for him to be gone.

WhiteStripe · Mar 27, 2023

olliec said:
The way this guy articulated his argument sums up exactly how we all feel! It’s not Conte it’s levy! And until he’s gone we are going around in circles. He’s just such a control freak and the fact he didn’t even pay much of a tribute to Conte for all he did for the club just shows his character.

Was listening when this guy called in this morning and agree wholeheartedly. A measured thoughtful spurs fan calling TalkSPORT is a rare occurrence, but it does happen evidently. Daniel Levy clearly does not have a team of people around him that challenge him in the right areas. The reports we get from ITK of continuous bickering and differing opinions and squabbling about what the correct thing to do is sums it up really.

Daniel Levy said this in 2021;

“ We are acutely aware of the need to select someone whose values reflect those of our great Club and return to playing football with the style for which we are known – free-flowing, attacking and entertaining – whilst continuing to embrace our desire to see young players flourish from our Academy alongside experienced talent.”

Why has he not been held accountable for doing everything but this since then? We have not focussed on recruiting a coach that fits our style of play. We recruited Nuno, our 7th choice who most certainly did not fit the bill, we then went quickly to an “Elite” manager who again, did not fit this supposed blueprint.

We have not allowed youngsters to be integrated into the setup, likely down to the pressure put on the manager to reach the goal of top 4, but also down to the managers we recruited since he said this.

It’s an absolute joke that people can still defend him after he said these things and has not once actually done anything to suggest he meant it. It has never been more apparent to me how much of an issue that cretin being in charge of footballing matters at our club is!

Timberwolf · Mar 27, 2023

WhiteStripe said:
Was listening when this guy called in this morning and agree wholeheartedly. A measured thoughtful spurs fan calling TalkSPORT is a rare occurrence, but it does happen evidently. Daniel Levy clearly does not have a team of people around him that challenge him in the right areas. The reports we get from ITK of continuous bickering and differing opinions and squabbling about what the correct thing to do is sums it up really.

Daniel Levy said this in 2021;

“ We are acutely aware of the need to select someone whose values reflect those of our great Club and return to playing football with the style for which we are known – free-flowing, attacking and entertaining – whilst continuing to embrace our desire to see young players flourish from our Academy alongside experienced talent.”

Why has he not been held accountable for doing everything but this since then? We have not focussed on recruiting a coach that fits our style of play. We recruited Nuno, our 7th choice who most certainly did not fit the bill, we then went quickly to an “Elite” manager who again, did not fit this supposed blueprint.

We have not allowed youngsters to be integrated into the setup, likely down to the pressure put on the manager to reach the goal of top 4, but also down to the managers we recruited since he said this.

It’s an absolute joke that people can still defend him after he said these things and has not once actually done anything to suggest he meant it. It has never been more apparent to me how much of an issue that cretin being in charge of footballing matters at our club is!

The weird irony is that, during that summer, Levy actually lined up a positive, attacking coach in Fonseca and brought in someone who actually knows football to run that side of things in Paratici - something us fans had been praying he'd do for years.

Problem is, he just so happened to hire an Italian arch-pragmatist as DoF which immediately shat on everything he'd ever said about Spurs DNA and free-flowing football. The entire vision was contradicted at the very first step.

WhiteStripe · Mar 27, 2023

Timberwolf said:
The weird irony is that, during that summer, Levy actually lined up a positive, attacking coach in Fonseca and brought in someone who actually knows football to run that side of things in Paratici - something us fans had been praying he'd do for years.

Problem is, he just so happened to hire an Italian arch-pragmatist as DoF which immediately shat on everything he'd ever said about Spurs DNA and free-flowing football. The entire vision was contradicted at the very first step.

Yup, which again is on the person who either a) didn’t do the due diligence to select a DOF who bought into the vision, or b) more likely didn’t give a fuck because he thought he was getting a great deal in a highly rated DOF.

Either way, Levy comes out as a fucktard.

AtoubaToothpaste · Mar 27, 2023

WhiteStripe said:
Yup, which again is on the person who either a) didn’t do the due diligence to select a DOF who bought into the vision, or b) more likely didn’t give a fuck because he thought he was getting a great deal in a highly rated DOF.

Either way, Levy comes out as a fucktard.

I think many said at the time that Fab was just a shield for Levy. Given the shit-show of the manager hunt, and the subsequent results of that, I don't think it was too far from the mark. It was clear Fab was not a good fit when he wanted to hire Gattuso and Nuno.

rebrab · Mar 27, 2023

The lack of any comments, likes or any noise at all from the players regarding Conte is resounding so far imo

theShiznit · Mar 27, 2023

CookieYiddo said:
Or the racism

Or the paying off of youth players to keep quiet about being interfered with...

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