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Darth Vega

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I'm worried our fans are blinded by love. Pochettino just isn't at an elite level tactically. That isn't to say he's bad but even at his peak he got outclassed tactically by the likes of Pep, Klopp, Allegri and others - that doesn't mean he never beat them, but he's clearly not on the level of the best. What he is is an outstanding manager that can get the most out of the sum of the club's parts and unite everyone. That sounds just like what we need but I simply don't subscribe to the idea that there isn't another manager that could also get us playing brilliant football but is more modern tactically than Pochettino is - on paper Arne Slot seems to tick a hell of a lot of these boxes, plus he's bald and Dutch which is immediately endearing.

Back to Poch, the game has moved on a lot even from the time he took over, which is coming up to a decade ago now. Poch's secret weapon was how much we used to suffocate teams with the press but even middling clubs do that now, it isn't reserved for just the top sides. Ironically it was something we struggled to deal with when we faced it ourselves, which is partly why we sucked away at the other top clubs when he was here. There's talk about managers having 10 year cycles and while I don't think it's that arbitrary, I'm worried he's at the wrong end of his.
 
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Bluto Blutarsky said:
eh?

I am kind of ambivalent - but I would say its only 20% who would be opposed to Poch coming back - at best.

I think you have a solid 40%+ who want Poch back, and another 40% who would like someone else, but would take Poch (over what they are currently seeing).
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Yep, Not singing his name (as it's kind of cringy) is not the same as not wanting him back.
 
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yankspurs said:
Maybe around you in the ground. But on TV, the chants for Poch & also the chant for Levy out were very audible & long lasting,
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You know that microphones can be turned up and down ? Tv sound is never realistic.

the Levy chants were louder and longer than any chant for Pochettino. But not reflected on tv.

And being in middle of the park lane, no other area of the ground would be louder on any Poch chant, which is why I’m confident that Chris cowlins video etc is not representative of how loud it really was.
 
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Darth Vega said:
I'm worried our fans are blinded by love. Pochettino just isn't at an elite level tactically. That isn't to say he's bad but even at his peak he got outclassed tactically by the likes of Pep, Klopp, Allegri and others - that doesn't mean he never beat them, but he's clearly not on the level of the best. What he is is an outstanding manager that can get the most out of the sum of the clubs parts and unite everyone. That sounds just like what we need but I simply don't subscribe to the idea that there isn't another manager that could also get us playing brilliant football but is more modern tactically than Pochettino is - on paper Arne Slot seems to tick a hell of a lot of these boxes, plus he's bald and Dutch which is immediately endearing.

Back to Poch, the game has moved on a lot even from the time he took over, which is coming up to a decade ago now. Poch's secret weapon was how much we used to suffocate teams with the press but even middling clubs do that now, it isn't reserved for just the top sides. Ironically it was something we struggled to deal with when we faced it ourselves, which is partly why we sucked away at the other top clubs when he was here. There's talk about managers having 10 year cycles and while I don't think it's that arbitrary, I'm worried he's at the wrong end of his.
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Most of our fans wouldn't stand for Allegri's turgid style of football.
 
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Just, for a second, imagine we DO appoint Poch now. And he gets us top 4 playing a more free flowing, possesion based football. Imagine what that would do for the state of this club.
I can't imagine a bigger lift.
 
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Darth Vega

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Most of our fans wouldn't stand for Allegri's turgid style of football.
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I only put Allegri's name in there as an example of a tactically astute manager that got the better of Poch, he's the last manager we should be looking at hiring.
 
easley91

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How can you stop ten people from your staff having a scrap? Who is he Brock Lesnar?
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Misfit

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There is no candidate who will have a happy ending at this club. Hell, most football clubs. The Fergies of the world are a thing of the past.

It's just a question of who can deliver the best returns (style and results) for the longest until the inevitable.

Which is exactly why the club needs to build itself up an identity and legitimate 'kulcha' so the usual comings and goings don't throw everything into disarray - especially wrt transfer philosophy and youth set-ups etc) - when people enter or exit. It should hopefully also mean the next candidate/candidates identify themselves naturally.
 
slartibartfast

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Misfit said:
There is no candidate who will have a happy ending at this club. Hell, most football clubs. The Fergies of the world are a thing of the past.

It's just a question of who can deliver the best returns (style and results) for the longest until the inevitable.

Which is exactly why the club needs to build itself up an identity and legitimate 'kulcha' so the usual comings and goings don't throw everything into disarray - especially wrt transfer philosophy and youth set-ups etc) - when people enter or exit. It should hopefully also mean the next candidate/candidates identify themselves naturally.
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Sounds far too sensible and logical for my liking. Fuck that ;)
 
chrisd2k

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slartibartfast said:
Just, for a second, imagine we DO appoint Poch. And he gets us top 4 playing a more free flowing, possesion based football. Imagine what that would do for the state of this club.
I can't imagine a bigger lift.
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Surely any manager? Why just Poch. Wtf!
 
WhiteStripe

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KingNick said:
You know that microphones can be turned up and down ? Tv sound is never realistic.

the Levy chants were louder and longer than any chant for Pochettino. But not reflected on tv.

And being in middle of the park lane, no other area of the ground would be louder on any Poch chant, which is why I’m confident that Chris cowlins video etc is not representative of how loud it really was.
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Absolute nonsense. I’m north east corner and the Poch chants were by far the loudest of pretty much any chant all afternoon. Including the away fans below us!
 
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Kind of on the fence when it comes to Poch returning. Looking at the squad, I think there are fair few that could potentially do well in his system. Do feel if he can gets his hands on the likes of Romero, Porro, Udogie, Richarlison, Bissouma, Bentancur, Kulusevski on the training pitch, they could potentially be good fits for the way he likes his teams to play.

Not saying it will happen but if for example we were able to bring in Raya, Ugarte (have seen some links to him recently) and say someone like Laporte (will be 29 next month so unlikely imo), on paper it gives Poch something to work with imo. Also have the links to Maddison so could be a different option:

Raya
Porro Romero Laporte Udogie
Ugarte Bissouma
Bentancur
Kulusevski Son/Richarlison
Kane

OR

Raya
Porro Romero Laporte Udogie
Bentancur Bissouma
Maddison
Kulusevski Son/Richarlison
Kane

One positive of Poch coming back is I guess Dier's days as a starter at CB could be numbered as don't think Poch was overly won over by him at CB. Hojbjerg is another one I think Poch may have doubts over.

One concern is that I don't think Kane and Son have the same ability/energy levels to press as effectively as they once did so that may require some flexibility in approach but I'm not sure Poch will budge too far away from his philosophy. Then obviously there is the massive question mark over Kane's future.
 
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Darth Vega said:
I'm worried our fans are blinded by love. Pochettino just isn't at an elite level tactically. That isn't to say he's bad but even at his peak he got outclassed tactically by the likes of Pep, Klopp, Allegri and others - that doesn't mean he never beat them, but he's clearly not on the level of the best. What he is is an outstanding manager that can get the most out of the sum of the club's parts and unite everyone. That sounds just like what we need but I simply don't subscribe to the idea that there isn't another manager that could also get us playing brilliant football but is more modern tactically than Pochettino is - on paper Arne Slot seems to tick a hell of a lot of these boxes, plus he's bald and Dutch which is immediately endearing.

Back to Poch, the game has moved on a lot even from the time he took over, which is coming up to a decade ago now. Poch's secret weapon was how much we used to suffocate teams with the press but even middling clubs do that now, it isn't reserved for just the top sides. Ironically it was something we struggled to deal with when we faced it ourselves, which is partly why we sucked away at the other top clubs when he was here. There's talk about managers having 10 year cycles and while I don't think it's that arbitrary, I'm worried he's at the wrong end of his.
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Not sure you can say Poch isn’t elite level tactically then call out Arne Slot. I mean I am up for Slot, Kompany or Gallardo but none of them have operated in an elite league.

If Poch isn’t elite tactically then the only manager who is possibly proven elite tactically we are after is Naglesmann.

If tactical style is your think then the most successful style right now is Pepball and that would lead straight to Kompany as the choice.
 
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WhiteStripe said:
Absolute nonsense. I’m north east corner and the Poch chants were by far the loudest of pretty much any chant all afternoon. Including the away fans below us!
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The levy out chant was louder and better supported for a start off. Paxton never have been able to make themselves heard though Tbf.
 
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