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LSUY · Apr 17, 2023

THOWIG said:
My concern about Kompany, Slot or even Gallardo is we won’t give them time. We need to forget about champions league. Kane will be off and we need to accept our level and give the new coach time to build.

But we won’t.

My concern about Kompany is we'd be a stepping stone. Any success with us and he's immediately in the eyes of the media Pep's successor at City.

slartibartfast · Apr 17, 2023

LSUY said:
My concern about Kompany is we'd be a stepping stone. Any success with us and he's immediately in the eyes of the media Pep's successor at City.

Anybody who has any success with us, player or manager, is gonna be linked by the media to other clubs.
Thats where we are in the food chain.
If we want success then thats gonna happen.
If thats not happening its because we're a mid table shit show.
Welcome it. It means we're doing well.

Ghost Hardware · Apr 17, 2023

rossdapep said:
To be fair to Kompany at least he had the sense to realise he needed some assitance and made that call because plenty of these coaches would have had too big an ego to admit that they needed to do that.

Also, it was his very first managerial experience.

Oh I’m not saying it to be negative to Kompany, I just feel sometimes it’s good to give context as those numbers suggest he was an instant hit when in reality there were some growing pains. He did a solid job at Anderlect and obviously an excellent job at Burnley although I must say the xg stats posted yesterday did surprise me quite a bit.

All things considered I think he looks a very promising manager and could have a bright future but for me personally considering the mountain of a job I’d prefer we give the job to someone with more experience building a team.

DenverSpur · Apr 17, 2023

Trix said:
You must have missed the final 6-8 months of his tenure, where panic was indeed common place. It all dropped off a cliff when Dembele, Toby and Jan came to an end imo. If there was one to trait to praise all three of them prior to age catching up on them, was that you could always rely on them and they would very rarely let the side down. They were solid, dependable and that effect on the team was never replaced. The team trusted them to mop up any mistakes implicitly which allowed them to play with more freedom. Whoever the new guy is will need to bring that back or we will continue to rinse and repeat.

In fact the more I type the more I'm swaying towards Kompany, for the very reasons I've stated over the last few posts.

I can’t fault your analysis of where and when it all started to go wrong. The big conclusion to draw from that is that there was, and still is, a systematic failure at the club in that they are unable or unwilling to recognize when (important)players need to be replaced and act quickly before things start going downhill. It’s 4 or 5 years since Toby and Jan needed replacing and we’re still at least one CB short of achieving that. Until the arrival of Bentancur we never got anywhere near replacing Dembele .Is there any plan in place to, eventually, replace Kane because there hasn’t been one to replace Lloris. It’s the total lack of forward planning which is holding us back

beats1 · Apr 18, 2023

If Nagelsmann, favours Chelsea, that says more then LEVY needs to look in the mirror

Chelsea right now need to curtail their spending otherwise risk losing a Europe spot when they come back in a year or two. Their last 2 years they have made a loss of £277m that's not including this seasons spending. Uefa allows for a €60m loss

LSUY · Apr 18, 2023

slartibartfast said:
Anybody who has any success with us, player or manager, is gonna be linked by the media to other clubs.
Thats where we are in the food chain.
If we want success then thats gonna happen.
If thats not happening its because we're a mid table shit show.
Welcome it. It means we're doing well.

So we should welcome a manager where the best case scenario is we end up being to Man City what Southampton is to us?

There's a difference a manager being linked to a bigger club and a manager being linked to the club that has a statue of him outside their stadium. If we have a manager who has no links to bigger clubs we would at least have a fighting chance of keeping them because they'd have forged links with Spurs and the surrounding area. Kompany's married to a Mancunian, went to the Uni of Manchester, made 250+ appearances for City and has a statue outside the Etihad. We'd have as much chance of keeping him as Southampton did Hoddle.

Also, if Kompany's successful and goes, does anyone believe Levy's following that up with a second consecutive successful managerial appointment?

Ginola+Tonic · Apr 18, 2023

I really really hope we opt for Arne Slot

Finchyid · Apr 18, 2023

beats1 said:
If Nagelsmann, favours Chelsea, that says more then LEVY needs to look in the mirror

Chelsea right now need to curtail their spending otherwise risk losing a Europe spot when they come back in a year or two. Their last 2 years they have made a loss of £277m that's not including this seasons spending. Uefa allows for a €60m loss

Broadly irrelevant to Chelsea.. they will just continue to do what they want

jolsnogross · Apr 18, 2023

Dunc2610 said:
For those who want Poch back, what has changed since he left that would overcome the issue that were within the club when he left and would indicate it wouldn't be a repeat performance?

I'd love a repeat performance from Poch. 77 pts, 86pts, CL final. Cup finals and semis.

This idea that Poch is a statue and hasn't himself learned since he left Spurs is a bizarre way of thinking. It's not clear anyone can overcome the issues within the club, but there's one guy out there who's been the most successful at negotiating those obstacles to create a highly competitive team.

HedgieSpur · Apr 18, 2023

Hotspur33 said:
For me, the main issues are that he has almost* exclusively played/worked in Spain, he is used to life at ELITE clubs. Managing Spurs would be a big departure from what he is used to.
When he did that at Roma, seemingly it didn’t go well.
Also he has been out of club management for a while.
I’m sure he’d love to manage in the PL, but for me, he’s definitely better suited to Chelsea.

Celta is far from an Elite Club

LeSoupeKitchen · Apr 18, 2023

wiggo24 said:
Part of me wonders whether this is to tempt Chelsea towards Enrique / rush their appointment process. Well known that their two top choices are Enrique and Nagelsmann so if we really do want Nagelsmann as our top choice then leaking something like this could be a sneaky move.

I swear some fans love Levy like they love cats. The complete indifference to us and inactivity gives the impression of being some kind of evil genius.

When in fact they just have a brain the size of a walnut.

HedgieSpur · Apr 18, 2023

Ghost Hardware said:
The other point about Enrique we should all keep in mind is that by all accounts he’s Paratici’s top pick. Now understandably that might end up causing some to be concerned, after all his track record of manager choices has been rather poor to say the least.

But what I would say is out of all the names I’ve read he’s suggested during his time here Enrique makes the most sense. Regardless of my personal feelings towards him he actually ticks an awful lot of box’s.

Most critically tho is that if we really want to change the way we do things and become more like a team such as BVB or Brighton then dismissing who our DoF wants isn’t the way to go about it. If we want to move forward as a club, especially one working on a limited budget, then it’s imperative that everyone is on the same page. And really the DoF should have a lot of say in regards to that page.

We really should be matching the manager to the vision not the vision to the manager.

Also in specific relation to Enrique, having our DoF actively wanting him would suggest to me he knows exactly what players would be required to get his system to work.

Now as I said, that doesn’t mean I want Enrique and after all we don’t even know if Paratici will be here next week let alone next season. But ether way, who our DoF wants should have significant bearing on who we appoint. It’s why I keep saying we should have addressed this issue first as it’s actually fundamentally important if we hope to change.

Fantastic post

guy · Apr 18, 2023

LSUY said:
My concern about Kompany is we'd be a stepping stone. Any success with us and he's immediately in the eyes of the media Pep's successor at City.

I hate this way of thinking. It gets trotted out with players too. If he's good enough to be a huge success and get poached by a mega club then spurs must have done well over that time.

And we'll be well compensated for it.

What's the issue?

HedgieSpur · Apr 18, 2023

Albertbarich said:
I want a manager in the way up rather than one who has already achieved the very maximum he can.

Naglesmann may not fit that category because he has been at Bayern but he is so young I still think he will bring the exuberance and energy we need. I like him most though because he is so flexible tactically which is something we need due to our awful squad building. Going down the stubborn 'winner' route is another disaster waiting to happen.

This is just your own personal bias talking. Of all the sticks to beat Enrique with, lack of flexibility is the perhaps the worst one you could have chosen.

I get that some of our fans associate “big names” with being a certain type of manager (after the Jose and Conte debacles) but trotting out “stubborn winner” stuff about Enrique is just simply wrong.

HedgieSpur · Apr 18, 2023

mill said:
How much did you pay for that?

Asking for a “friend”?

HedgieSpur · Apr 18, 2023

guy said:
I hate this way of thinking. It gets trotted out with players too. If he's good enough to be a huge success and get poached by a mega club then spurs must have done well over that time.

And we'll be well compensated for it.

What's the issue?

I’m guessing that after Jose and Conte, fans want a manager who is going to identify with the club and galvanise the fans.

I have no doubt that Kompany would work very hard if he came here, but he’s literally a Man City legend…. with a statue and everything. Moreover, he’s a very recent Man City legend and literally EVERYTHING he would do with us would be framed in that way by the media.

Maybe it’s just me, but I’d find that very tiresome very quickly. Perhaps I’d be more willing to give it a go if he had outstanding experience or comparable achievements but 1 season of success at Burnley and a rousing speech (in the same way that AVB’s PowerPoint slides didn’t impress me either) isn’t enough for me.

That said, if we do a proper due diligence and benchmarking exercise and he comes out on top then, I’d be happy with him to come in….. but we probably won’t and will back him as the punt on the latest shiny thing.

BuckeyeSpurs11 · Apr 18, 2023

The 3rd name in addition to Slot & Kompany has to be Ange or Glasner, right?

HedgieSpur · Apr 18, 2023

BuckeyeSpurs11 said:
The 3rd name in addition to Slot & Kompany has to be Ange or Glasner, right?

Hopefully not Glasner...not really attacking football (although not a low block manager)

Jody · Apr 18, 2023

BuckeyeSpurs11 said:
The 3rd name in addition to Slot & Kompany has to be Ange or Glasner, right?

We’re still holding out on Stellini turning things around.

ernest_lowrider · Apr 18, 2023

I'm really torn on this.
When it comes to manager's achievements, LE is easily the best candidate in there. He's also *the best* manager available, maybe on par with Nagelsmann, Enrique is more proven on top level though.

At the same time, I have that strange feeling we should go for Slot or Kompany and start from scratch. Me may like or dislike certain things about Jose or Conte, but they both won a lot, yet still Spurs broke them. Why it would be different with Enrique?

Oh and I almost forgot, Levy out.

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