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Yiddo100
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Not sure, 2 sources have suggested it but they’re not the most reputable.
Locotoro
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This is an excellent post and article because, to me, it lends to the idea that the problem was not Nagelsmann (or Pep for that matter) it's the aloofness of those Bayern pricks. It's far more likely, Bayern didn't like his quirkiness and skateboarding because it didn't match their reservedness just in the same way they didn't like Peps trainer and jeans combinationThere was talk from German journos that he can be a bit aloof and egocentric. As a guy in his mid-30s at Bayern I think they expected him to basically give up his life for the job but he'd still go off skiing between matches at times (that's where he was when he was sacked) and bowl up for training on his skateboard which raised a few eyebrows in the squad.
Don't think he was a massive knob or anything but I think he was perceived as a bit cold and very focused on the tiny tactical details rather than being a warm 'arm-round-the-shoulder' type.
This article goes into it quite a bit:
At a club like Bayern Munich, player morale is vital and the most influential players in the dressing room possess significant power and sway. Upsetting the likes of Thomas Müller was never likely to endear the former RB Leipzig coach to the other Bayern players or the board itself. Nagelsmann also infuriated Manuel Neuer after sacking his friend and long-time goalkeeping coach Filip Tapalović. Failing to cultivate positive relationships with World Cup winners and stalwarts of the club that embody its culture was always going to leave a dent in the young coach’s ambitions of long-term success in Munich.
In the same Raphael Honigstein piece, Nagelsmann was said to have “put the system over the needs of the players”. This was a problem faced early in Pep Guardiola’s tenure in Munich due to the Spaniard also being an astute tactician who often made many changes, but Guardiola had the experience, pedigree and man-management skills to encourage the players to buy into his philosophy. Unfortunately, this simply wasn’t the case for Julian Nagelsmann.
The players were said to have craved a “father figure” in the dressing room — Nagelsmann simply didn’t provide this due to behaviours such as arriving to training on a skateboard and riding a motorcycle in the city. It’s worth keeping in mind that he is only 35 years old and, subsequently, he was always more likely to act in this way as opposed to how a far more experienced manager would behave. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing across the board as it may help certain players feel more comfortable with the manager, but it evidently didn’t send the right message at Bayern Munich.
What Went Wrong for Julian Nagelsmann at Bayern Munich?
Bayern Munich currently sit in second place on the Bundesliga table, just one point adrift of rivals Borussia Dortmund. They have also qualified for the quarter-finals of both the UEFA Champions League and DFB-Pokal where they will face Manchester City and SC Freiburg respectively. The Bavarians...breakingthelines.com
Imagine this kind of thing would be less of a problem at Spurs where there are fewer egos and massive historical characters looming over the club like they have at Bayern, but could still rub some players up the wrong way.
If there is one non English club that has a board of directors and senior staff that continue to act like bellends then it's Bayern Munich. They have such a sense of entitlement which leads them to believe they must act in the Bayern way but everyone else just sees it as arrogance.
That is of course not including Real, Barca, Juventus, PSG.....yes I realise that defies my point
Johnny J
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First, no one's obsessed with him.
Second, here's an incredibly detailed and informative analysis of his tactics, formation, patterns of play, and strengths and weaknesses. Which I assume is what you're after.
Arne’s Army: How Slot is regenerating Feyenoord
With six wins from their first nine official games, scoring 22 goals, and a friendly win over Atletico Madrid, Feyenoord have had a pretty good start to the season. Especially considering the fact that their new manager Arne Slot is trying to implement a completely new style of play...
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Tottenhamboy85
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Honestly you only compared him to Gross cause they look similar as they have nothing in common otherwise
Monkey boy
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There was talk from German journos that he can be a bit aloof and egocentric. As a guy in his mid-30s at Bayern I think they expected him to basically give up his life for the job but he'd still go off skiing between matches at times (that's where he was when he was sacked) and bowl up for training on his skateboard which raised a few eyebrows in the squad.
Don't think he was a massive knob or anything but I think he was perceived as a bit cold and very focused on the tiny tactical details rather than being a warm 'arm-round-the-shoulder' type.
This article goes into it quite a bit:
At a club like Bayern Munich, player morale is vital and the most influential players in the dressing room possess significant power and sway. Upsetting the likes of Thomas Müller was never likely to endear the former RB Leipzig coach to the other Bayern players or the board itself. Nagelsmann also infuriated Manuel Neuer after sacking his friend and long-time goalkeeping coach Filip Tapalović. Failing to cultivate positive relationships with World Cup winners and stalwarts of the club that embody its culture was always going to leave a dent in the young coach’s ambitions of long-term success in Munich.
In the same Raphael Honigstein piece, Nagelsmann was said to have “put the system over the needs of the players”. This was a problem faced early in Pep Guardiola’s tenure in Munich due to the Spaniard also being an astute tactician who often made many changes, but Guardiola had the experience, pedigree and man-management skills to encourage the players to buy into his philosophy. Unfortunately, this simply wasn’t the case for Julian Nagelsmann.
The players were said to have craved a “father figure” in the dressing room — Nagelsmann simply didn’t provide this due to behaviours such as arriving to training on a skateboard and riding a motorcycle in the city. It’s worth keeping in mind that he is only 35 years old and, subsequently, he was always more likely to act in this way as opposed to how a far more experienced manager would behave. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing across the board as it may help certain players feel more comfortable with the manager, but it evidently didn’t send the right message at Bayern Munich.
What Went Wrong for Julian Nagelsmann at Bayern Munich?
Bayern Munich currently sit in second place on the Bundesliga table, just one point adrift of rivals Borussia Dortmund. They have also qualified for the quarter-finals of both the UEFA Champions League and DFB-Pokal where they will face Manchester City and SC Freiburg respectively. The Bavarians...
Imagine this kind of thing would be less of a problem at Spurs where there are fewer egos and massive historical characters looming over the club like they have at Bayern, but could still rub some players up the wrong way.
Turn up to training on his skateboard? Nah mate, I’m out.
Ghost Hardware
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Possibly? Tbh it all stems from one German jurno saying he wants/is open to joining. He is decent, and he has BM ties, but not necessarily that reliable in general so i wouldn’t take it as gospel. Hopefully we will get some more reports and/or ITK soon.
daveduvet
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Tbh, if anyone over the age of 20 turned up to work on a skateboard - who wasn’t a professional skater - I’d think ‘tosser’…
Gassin's finest
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Skateboard??
Metalhead
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Not Martin Jol then?
Ghost Hardware
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I do find this report a little bit off as even tho he very much rubbed some up the wrong way, Neuer was the biggest one when he fired the GK coach during the WC (I think it was, it was def during a international break. It caused a big rift between him and Neuer that spilled over across the dressing room.) He also was really chummy with others, kimmich for example loved him and even said he was one of the best managers he has worked under.There was talk from German journos that he can be a bit aloof and egocentric. As a guy in his mid-30s at Bayern I think they expected him to basically give up his life for the job but he'd still go off skiing between matches at times (that's where he was when he was sacked) and bowl up for training on his skateboard which raised a few eyebrows in the squad.
Don't think he was a massive knob or anything but I think he was perceived as a bit cold and very focused on the tiny tactical details rather than being a warm 'arm-round-the-shoulder' type.
This article goes into it quite a bit:
At a club like Bayern Munich, player morale is vital and the most influential players in the dressing room possess significant power and sway. Upsetting the likes of Thomas Müller was never likely to endear the former RB Leipzig coach to the other Bayern players or the board itself. Nagelsmann also infuriated Manuel Neuer after sacking his friend and long-time goalkeeping coach Filip Tapalović. Failing to cultivate positive relationships with World Cup winners and stalwarts of the club that embody its culture was always going to leave a dent in the young coach’s ambitions of long-term success in Munich.
In the same Raphael Honigstein piece, Nagelsmann was said to have “put the system over the needs of the players”. This was a problem faced early in Pep Guardiola’s tenure in Munich due to the Spaniard also being an astute tactician who often made many changes, but Guardiola had the experience, pedigree and man-management skills to encourage the players to buy into his philosophy. Unfortunately, this simply wasn’t the case for Julian Nagelsmann.
The players were said to have craved a “father figure” in the dressing room — Nagelsmann simply didn’t provide this due to behaviours such as arriving to training on a skateboard and riding a motorcycle in the city. It’s worth keeping in mind that he is only 35 years old and, subsequently, he was always more likely to act in this way as opposed to how a far more experienced manager would behave. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing across the board as it may help certain players feel more comfortable with the manager, but it evidently didn’t send the right message at Bayern Munich.
What Went Wrong for Julian Nagelsmann at Bayern Munich?
Bayern Munich currently sit in second place on the Bundesliga table, just one point adrift of rivals Borussia Dortmund. They have also qualified for the quarter-finals of both the UEFA Champions League and DFB-Pokal where they will face Manchester City and SC Freiburg respectively. The Bavarians...
Imagine this kind of thing would be less of a problem at Spurs where there are fewer egos and massive historical characters looming over the club like they have at Bayern, but could still rub some players up the wrong way.
Even before that at Leipzig a lot of the players really speak highly of him, Dani Olmo is a big fan (you can find some great quotes from him about the football they played) and with his contract running out next season I really wouldn’t be surprised if we brought him here IF we get Nagelsmann.
Essentially he rubbed up some of the older players the wrong way and he can be a little egotistical, let’s not pretend he isn’t, but he isn’t near Conte or Jose levels of aloofness. Still i wouldn’t necessarily say he was super warm ether and I do think it’s something he will improve on as he gets older.
In general I think he is quite the wunderkind and thus far he is the best option we have looked at but likewise I also think some might be overrating him somewhat. There are reasons why I think Gallardo is the better fit for us currently despite really liking Nagelsmann. But like I said previously, JN over Slot, Kompany or Ange is a very easy one.
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ukdy
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Tony Hawk says fuck you!
I beg to differ that people are not obsessed with him.First, no one's obsessed with him.
Second, here's an incredibly detailed and informative analysis of his tactics, formation, patterns of play, and strengths and weaknesses. Which I assume is what you're after.
Arne’s Army: How Slot is regenerating Feyenoord
With six wins from their first nine official games, scoring 22 goals, and a friendly win over Atletico Madrid, Feyenoord have had a pretty good start to the season. Especially considering the fact that their new manager Arne Slot is trying to implement a completely new style of play...
rossdapep
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This is exactly it.
Bayern are a very unique club.
Very much fit in or get out.
The fans complained about Pep a lot and even his style of football rubbed some up the wrong way.
Remember the doctor quit cause of Pep.
I imagine Pep was looking at the exit door as soon as his second season finished.
Johnny J
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Hopefully at least the analysis was useful, then.
Of course that's why I made the same comparison. Not the fact they both have a similar win rate in a poor league and only had managed in that league at the time?
Had nothing to do with looks!
It was insightful so thank you. Still think we should be going down another route. In my opinion better options available.
gibbospurs
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He is a professional skater tho
Timberwolf
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Yeah as others have said, I think any problems were probably massively exacerbated by the fact it was Bayern where everything a manager does is pored over with a fine toothcomb in the press, there are club legends mouthing off constantly, and some of the squad are massive characters and highly decorated modern legends of German football.
As you say, many squad members came out in support of him after he was sacked and were somewhat bemused by it and he seemed popular among the players at his previous clubs where there wasn't as much scrutiny.
If we can get him he's without doubt the best option available and I don't think any of these issues are much to worry about at Spurs, although I wouldn't be surprised if we got the odd funny story with him breaking a rib going spelunking after we draw 1-1 with Brentford or some shit.
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