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fishhhandaricecake

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@fishhhandaricecake What is it you disagree with exactly?

He said "We do not have a choice"

Explain to me how that is in any way shape or form true?

"an act of choosing between two or more possibilities."

People have demonstrably made a different choice, so it's evidently disproven.

I just think some of you don't want to face the reality that you're making a decision, I don't think people want the responsibility and want to hide behind rhetoric but it's a choice made in discomfort that you have to stop participating with the club for the greater good. It's not an easy choice but it's a choice. I think ignoring that simply shows that people want to have it both ways but you can't. If people are still giving the club money when they know the situation then it's their decision but looking for sympathy and pointing fingers at the club is wearing thin when it's been staring us in the face for a while. If people can't deal with the discomfort of making that choice then I accept that but don't sit here and give us the spiel about how we don't have a choice, some of us made the choice. If more people did instead of hiding behind loyalty then perhaps it'd make a difference but at least we're trying.
It was a dislike not a disagree because I felt your reaction to Elfy was unnecessarily aggressive.

It’s not really for this thread mate but @elfy opened his heart out and was essentially saying that Tottenham is so engrained in some of us and our families etc that it’s very hard if not impossible to walk away from it and so it’s essentially sad that so many of us are feeling this way about something which should be a joy and an outlet.

Bringing back to topic the ups and downs but seemingly ominous eventual outcome of the manager search is symptomatic of how we are feeling about the football club as a whole under Levy.

Anyways there are still some decent candidates out there. Slot imo was the very best fit and option and whilst that was gutting and whilst it is frustrating that from what we are hearing Levy and the board are back to square 1, that doesn’t mean 100% there can’t be a half decent outcome at the end of all this so let’s try and wait and see because some on here at times are guilty of exacerbating the negativity.
 

Lifelong

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We are basically royally fucked! It is an absolute disgrace the position we find ourselves in YET AGAIN! This season has been painful, I've absolutely hated it! And it looks as though we have a few more seasons like that lined up. That is an incredibly sad place to be in!
You couldn’t make it up….well done Tottenham you really have nailed it…
 

Lifelong

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i think when Kane leaves we will begin to realise how good he really is. Personally think we're in big trouble
Personally I don’t need him to leave to appreciate how good he is, world class and an absolute privilege to watch him progress through the years….but, sadly, I agree with you. But I hope you are wrong……and that means me as well….time will tell.
 

Nick-TopSpursMan

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They had to get this summer right, Levy understanding his mistakes, changing his ways, putting structure in and letting it function.

Clearly that’s not going to happen. We will end up with a shit manager, still won’t improve our recruitment process, our club strategy or alignment and so when Kane leaves we are well and truly fucked.

Within the next 2/3 seasons, we will be in a relegation battle like Everton now.

I genuinely fear we will go down now in the near future. The toxicity around the club is the kind of thing I’ve seen before, whether that’s at Newcastle under Ashley, Villa, Everton now etc. Maybe that’s the day Levy and Co will sell up, having cost themselves billions of pounds in club value, realising they have zero football knowledge. When all they had to do was sit back and let actual football people run the show. Idiots.

Depressing times.
 

the yid

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They had to get this summer right, Levy understanding his mistakes, changing his ways, putting structure in and letting it function.

Clearly that’s not going to happen. We will end up with a shit manager, still won’t improve our recruitment process, our club strategy or alignment and so when Kane leaves we are well and truly fucked.

Within the next 2/3 seasons, we will be in a relegation battle like Everton now.

I genuinely fear we will go down now in the near future. The toxicity around the club is the kind of thing I’ve seen before, whether that’s at Newcastle under Ashley, Villa, Everton now etc. Maybe that’s the day Levy and Co will sell up, having cost themselves billions of pounds in club value, realising they have zero football knowledge. When all they had to do was sit back and let actual football people run the show. Idiots.

Depressing times.
Still don't think they'd sell. They'd still think they can fix it
 

wrd

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It was a dislike not a disagree because I felt your reaction to Elfy was unnecessarily aggressive.

It’s not really for this thread mate but @elfy opened his heart out and was essentially saying that Tottenham is so engrained in some of us and our families etc that it’s very hard if not impossible to walk away from it and so it’s essentially sad that so many of us are feeling this way about something which should be a joy and an outlet.

Bringing back to topic the ups and downs but seemingly ominous eventual outcome of the manager search is symptomatic of how we are feeling about the football club as a whole under Levy.

Anyways there are still some decent candidates out there. Slot imo was the very best fit and option and whilst that was gutting and whilst it is frustrating that from what we are hearing Levy and the board are back to square 1, that doesn’t mean 100% there can’t be a half decent outcome at the end of all this so let’s try and wait and see because some at times are guilty of exacerbating the negativity.

I think aggressive is an unfair word to use especially in relation to how this forum usually talks to eachother. I spoke plainly and honestly, I think it would be a mistake to consider that type of talk as aggressive and I don't appreciate the insinuation. I understand find it difficult to hear but I think that truth is far kinder than simply telling people what they wish to hear in the long run. Convincing one's self you don't have a choice when you do is far more painful in the long run. If you don't see it that way then I think in the long run, I have no desire to convince you otherwise because I'm content with knowing that what I said is based in truth.
 

wadewill

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@fishhhandaricecake What is it you disagree with exactly?

He said "We do not have a choice"

Explain to me how that is in any way shape or form true?

"an act of choosing between two or more possibilities."

People have demonstrably made a different choice, so it's evidently disproven.

I just think some of you don't want to face the reality that you're making a decision, I don't think people want the responsibility and want to hide behind rhetoric but it's a choice made in discomfort that you have to stop participating with the club for the greater good. It's not an easy choice but it's a choice. I think ignoring that simply shows that people want to have it both ways but you can't. If people are still giving the club money when they know the situation then it's their decision but looking for sympathy and pointing fingers at the club is wearing thin when it's been staring us in the face for a while. If people can't deal with the discomfort of making that choice then I accept that but don't sit here and give us the spiel about how we don't have a choice, some of us made the choice. If more people did instead of hiding behind loyalty then perhaps it'd make a difference but at least we're trying.
Let me take a wild stab in the dark here

You do not live in London, nor England, you have not had Spurs passed down generations nor been going to WHL with family members who are no longer with you and you bare memories of them and your life at the club?

I am not an advocat for “we’re better fans than you” because others have chosen to support Spurs from a far. But your notion that we have a choice to just forget about it and support someone else is just utter bollox

Some of us can’t. Some of us have loved Spurs for longer than anything else we know, you don’t just stop.

I honestly would try to stop giving the club anything under these owers but I couldn’t ever stop caring.
I can’t even stop giving them money because no matter how much I hate this team my son absolutely loves doing to games, poor innocent fucker has no idea what he’s letting himself in for
 

Shanks

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We are basically royally fucked! It is an absolute disgrace the position we find ourselves in YET AGAIN! This season has been painful, I've absolutely hated it! And it looks as though we have a few more seasons like that lined up. That is an incredibly sad place to be in!
Opinion discussion hotspur, what can be done to get us out of this mess?

I mean, realistically levy ain’t going anyway, far too imbedded into the failures on the football pitch.

reason I ask, as no matter which way I try and find a positive solution, I just can’t find one.
 

wrd

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Let me take a wild stab in the dark here

You do not live in London, nor England, you have not had Spurs passed down generations nor been going to WHL with family members who are no longer with you and you bare memories of them and your life at the club?

I am not an advocat for “we’re better fans than you” because others have chosen to support Spurs from a far. But your notion that we have a choice to just forget about it and support someone else is just utter bollox

Some of us can’t. Some of us have loved Spurs for longer than anything else we know, you don’t just stop.

I honestly would try to stop giving the club anything under these owers but I couldn’t ever stop caring.
I can’t even stop giving them money because no matter how much I hate this team my son absolutely loves doing to games, poor innocent fucker has no idea what he’s letting himself in for

Had spurs handed down from me from my dad, born in Essex, Spurs from birth. Worked in London for 8 years, swing and a miss mate.

I never said support somebody else, so you've completely made that up. So I don't know why you've said that.

My only point was that we do have a choice not to give the club our money, I even explicitly said that. The original post said we didn't have a choice in that, so I basically said the same thing you've literally said in your response to me, so I fail to see your point.
 

yankspurs

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Never got on board with Slot but I am even more against Postecoglu. Nothing about him impresses me. He screams another Nuno but just different football. Everything about those options are/were so horribly underwhelming. Far more underwhelming than Poch was when we lucked into him. Levy obviously has no idea what he is doing besides being his typical cheap self when trying to sign someone from another club. Munn doesnt seem to either.

Nagelsmann, Gallardo, Enrique & soon Spaletti on the board attached to no club. We want a guy whose only European experience is in a league that is below even the Championship. The manager we all love(d) so much was practically begging to return for a whole year & we never even called him allowing him to go to FUCKING CHELSEA. Just a disgustingly awful decision. If there was a sporting prison, the entire Spurs hierarchy would be sent there for that.
 

mil1lion

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When we thought Slot was in the bag
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After Slot signed a new contract with Feyenoord
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Lifelong

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I would love to say that I’m finally done with this shower of shit……but I can’t……….much like most on here…..and I do mean THFC…..not SC….just in case there’s any confusion……..
 

McFlash

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I think aggressive is an unfair word to use especially in relation to how this forum usually talks to eachother. I spoke plainly and honestly, I think it would be a mistake to consider that type of talk as aggressive and I don't appreciate the insinuation. I understand find it difficult to hear but I think that truth is far kinder than simply telling people what they wish to hear in the long run. Convincing one's self you don't have a choice when you do is far more painful in the long run. If you don't see it that way then I think in the long run, I have no desire to convince you otherwise because I'm content with knowing that what I said is based in truth.
Mate, this is a little condescending, don't you think?
As was your reply to @elfy in my opinion.
 

blitzfyr

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I can’t believe I let myself get sucked in during the past few weeks over the hype of firstly Nagelsmann and then Slot.

It’s clearly so shambolic and not only that quite clearly disrespectful to us loyal fans.

We are now left with Ange and possible Amorim as the only possible credible options it seems. They may well be of a similar level as the others but regardless, this search to date suggests we will probably fuck them up too especially as they will rightly be questioning why they were so low down the pecking order and others didn’t proceed.

So as much as people are making jokes about Brendan, Potter and Mason or criticising people for entertaining them as options - it’s actually a frightening reality that they are they easier, and possibly only, options left.

In summary - levy clearly doesn’t give a shit and there is no light at the end of the tunnel. Yet despite this I just can’t bring myself not to renew and risk never getting a ST again. It’s truly galling.
 

chas vs dave

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Its shaping up to be another summer of shambles.

I'm probably going to duck our from spurs for a couple of months, just to reenergise myself for the new season.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Proof will be in the pudding but I see a list of head coach names that all want to play possession based, attacking football, promoting youth and improving players. This doesn’t sound like a board with no plan to me. It’s quite clear what we are trying to do.
Agree mate it’s just the execution that is lacking isn’t it.

I still have a deep fear that we could end up with a manager not ‘on the list’ who isn’t attacking or a good fit but as you say by all accounts most the managers we’ve been linked with or ITK have said we are looking at as you say generally play decent football and promote young players, seems like we thought we could get Slot, now we can’t it’ll be interesting to see who we pivot to.
 

funkycoldmedina

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Yeah... I mean obvious gulf in quality but they didn't get a single win in their UCL group which included Shaktar Donetsk. They had the third least points in all of the UCL group stages beating only Victoria Plzen & Rangers. Even Maccabi Haifa got at least 1 win.

I think it would be a disastrous appointment. When was the last time a manager from the Scottish league came over and was successful in the top half of the Prem? Gerrard was terrible and dominated with Rangers.
This is where looking at results rather than a deeper dive doesn't serve well. Rodger's Celtic steamrollered all Scottish teams but were annihilated in Europe.
Postecoglou's team have been incredibly competitive in a log ECL matches but ultimately the fitness levels and class difference have been too much. How's team's have created chances and caused lots of problems for far better teams.
I've posted before, Beale was the brains behind Gerrard it was well known.
Ange comes across more of a Jol type appointment to me, he'll not take us all the way but our play will be more enjoyable. Slot was our new Poch for me
 

TC18

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Proof will be in the pudding but I see a list of head coach names that all want to play possession based, attacking football, promoting youth and improving players. This doesn’t sound like a board with no plan to me. It’s quite clear what we are trying to do.
I admire your optimism and positive spin. Unfortunately for me, all I see is a list that Levy thinks he can get on the cheap and even more important for him, would be willing to dance to his merry tune.

I mean who have we got on that list now that would really turn us down? Maybe Ange, but can you see him turning down any PL team in the top 10? It’s not as if it’s mid season and he’s leaving Celtic in the lurch.

Potter? A few years ago he was half the peoples saviour on here, probably mine as well at the time, but his stock has fallen, and you have to question he’s decision making ability to start with, Chelsea was never the right team for him. I’m sure he’d jump at the chance and be grateful for it.

Rodgers.. well he’s also not in a position to say no.

Sadly imo, all will ‘do as they are told’ so to speak, for a while at least, until they fail under the conditions Levy puts them under, and are inevitably sacked in 18months time.

They aren’t what we really need and they won’t unify the fan base. We missed that by turning our noses up at Poch and JN and refusing to meet Slots compensation fee.
 
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