This Week’s Manager Watch: Ryan Mason

isaac94 · May 28, 2023

rossdapep said:
Is he not allowed to feel happy for a guy who totally loves and would do anything for the club?

his posted like 6x today on this page like mason is the messiah or something, bang average coach, who needs to be moved on, we need a cultural reset

rossdapep · May 28, 2023

isaac94 said:
his posted like 6x today on this page like mason is the messiah or something, bang average coach, who needs to be moved on, we need a cultural reset

Well, we tried the 'cultural reset' with Jose and Conte, hoping it would make us winners.

Didn't work.

How would you like to see the cultural reset be? Because I see Mason as actually been a good candidate to reset things because he's seen everything!

He saw how it was under Poch so knows what went it to that working and then failing.
He saw what didn't;t work under Jose and Conte.

He may be the best person to actually make positive changes.

The actual performances and tactical battles are another thing admittedly.

fishhhandaricecake · May 28, 2023

yido_number1 said:
Look back at the results and games weve been rank in most of them. Leeds is the first game we've played properly and that's against a relegated team.

Ok

I don’t think you appreciate the context of the situation Ryan took over and the difficultly of fixtures he’s had.

No probs.

fishhhandaricecake · May 28, 2023

isaac94 said:
this is getting a bit ott, are you his family member or something?

Or mabye I just enjoy seeing a spurs manager who understands the values of the club for the first time in 3-4 years, no need for sarcasm in response to me just positing something positive. Most on here completely agree with how Mason is coming across and the wording he’s using, he’s actually making us feel proud as a club again.

But hey haters will hate.

it’s very easy to be negative all the time.

king_yid · May 28, 2023

isaac94 said:
his posted like 6x today on this page like mason is the messiah or something, bang average coach, who needs to be moved on, we need a cultural reset

Yay for you champ!

isaac94 · May 28, 2023

rossdapep said:
Well, we tried the 'cultural reset' with Jose and Conte, hoping it would make us winners.

Didn't work.

How would you like to see the cultural reset be? Because I see Mason as actually been a good candidate to reset things because he's seen everything!

He saw how it was under Poch so knows what went it to that working and then failing.
He saw what didn't;t work under Jose and Conte.

He may be the best person to actually make positive changes.

The actual performances and tactical battles are another thing admittedly.

mason was also here for jose and conte, hardly a reset, 2 wins in 6, 33% win percentage, is that genuinely good enough?

Joshua shepherd · May 28, 2023

isaac94 said:
mason was also here for jose and conte, hardly a reset, 2 wins in 6, 33% win percentage, is that genuinely good enough?

Had less shots and less possession today than the second worst team in the league, maseball.

fishhhandaricecake · May 28, 2023

isaac94 said:
mason was also here for jose and conte, hardly a reset, 2 wins in 6, 33% win percentage, is that genuinely good enough?

Bless ya, I don’t think you get ‘context’ do you. Looking at just win% is a far too simplistic way of viewing things, in that case is Tim Sherwood our best ever Manager and we should’ve given him a 6 year contract and the keys to WHL?

Each to their own but Im glad you’re narrowminded views aren’t driving the clubs decisions.

It’s been nice having a good positive conversation about this with the likes of @Tucker @rossdapep etc who give balanced, educated views on things but there will always be a few who like to think they know it all an also focus only on the negatives, whilst missing the overall context, that’s life.

rossdapep · May 28, 2023

yido_number1 said:
Look back at the results and games weve been rank in most of them. Leeds is the first game we've played properly and that's against a relegated team.

We've been far from great but;

- Very good first half versus Brentford. Plenty here said we should have been 2 or 3 up. A tactical switch-up for Brentford and our shite defence was exposed.
- A disastrous start versus both United and Liverpool but Mason was able to galvanise the team into 2 comebacks against teams who are much better than us.
- A very composed and professional performance versus a dangerous Palace team. Mason focused on being compact and organised.

The Villa game was one game where Mason seemed a bit more out of his depth but Emery has done that to a lot of younger coaches. Arteta struggled against him but as he's got experience and developed his style, he's beaten him.

There are definitely green shoots who Mason. Enough for the job? Probably not. But he has shown some good signs.

Compare him to Gracia, Dean Smith, Lampard and Allardyce.

All of which showed absolutely nothing in terms of coaching and ideas.

Also have to consider the gravity of the situation Mason has to deal with.

We have players who are clearly thinking of the end of the season, players who have had their confidence destroyed by Conte and a really poorly constructed squad.

I think he's performed admirably

Metalhead · May 28, 2023

fishhhandaricecake said:
Or mabye I just enjoy seeing a spurs manager who understands the values of the club for the first time in 3-4 years, no need for sarcasm in response to me just positing something positive. Most on here completely agree with how Mason is coming across and the wording he’s using, he’s actually making us feel proud as a club again.

But hey haters will hate. it’s very easy to be negative all the time.

Much as I don't think that he's ready for the role or that he'd get it, I definitely concur that it's dispiriting to see people slag him off. It definitely would be brilliant to see him go somewhere, learn/hone his craft and come back to the club.

isaac94 · May 28, 2023

fishhhandaricecake said:
Bless ya, I don’t think you get ‘context’ do you. Looking at just win% is a far too simplistic way of viewing things, in that case is Tim Sherwood our best ever Manager and we should’ve given him a 6 year contract and the keys to WHL?

Each to their own but Im glad you’re narrowminded views aren’t driving the clubs decisions.

It’s been nice having a good positive conversation about this with the likes of @Tucker @rossdapep etc who give balanced, educated views on things but there will always be a few who like to think they know it all an also focus only on the negatives, whilst missing the overall context, that’s life.

Guess i just dont like to indulge in mediocrity and not happy with 2 wins in 6, football is all about results; nothing simplistic about that, and even tactically I have seen mason completely schooled by emery and frank, whats narrowmind about wanting better?
I think mason can be a decent coach but needs to go a learn the trade, way off being ready for a top job

Metalhead · May 28, 2023

fishhhandaricecake said:
Bless ya, I don’t think you get ‘context’ do you. Looking at just win% is a far too simplistic way of viewing things, in that case is Tim Sherwood our best ever Manager and we should’ve given him a 6 year contract and the keys to WHL?

Each to their own but Im glad you’re narrowminded views aren’t driving the clubs decisions.

It’s been nice having a good positive conversation about this with the likes of @Tucker @rossdapep etc who give balanced, educated views on things but there will always be a few who like to think they know it all an also focus only on the negatives, whilst missing the overall context, that’s life.

We haven't got a clue what is driving the club's decisions.

rossdapep · May 28, 2023

Metalhead said:
Much as I don't think that he's ready for the role or that he'd get it, I definitely concur that it's dispiriting to see people slag him off. It definitely would be brilliant to see him go somewhere, learn/hone his craft and come back to the club.

I actually think it's really sad.

By all means people are right to believe he is not ready for the job.

But people seem to be building a bit of dislike for him, which is absurd.

How are we as a club meant to get better if we have discontent between one another and hate on people who are clearly Tottenham through and through.

fishhhandaricecake · May 28, 2023

rossdapep said:
We've been far from great but;

- Very good first half versus Brentford. Plenty here said we should have been 2 or 3 up. A tactical switch-up for Brentford and our shite defence was exposed.
- A disastrous start versus both United and Liverpool but Mason was able to galvanise the team into 2 comebacks against teams who are much better than us.
- A very composed and professional performance versus a dangerous Palace team. Mason focused on being compact and organised.

The Villa game was one game where Mason seemed a bit more out of his depth but Emery has done that to a lot of younger coaches. Arteta struggled against him but as he's got experience and developed his style, he's beaten him.

There are definitely green shoots who Mason. Enough for the job? Probably not. But he has shown some good signs.

Compare him to Gracia, Dean Smith, Lampard and Allardyce.

All of which showed absolutely nothing in terms of coaching and ideas.

Also have to consider the gravity of the situation Mason has to deal with.

We have players who are clearly thinking of the end of the season, players who have had their confidence destroyed by Conte and a really poorly constructed squad.

I think he's performed admirably

Nailed it as always

isaac94 · May 28, 2023

fishhhandaricecake said:
Ok I don’t think you appreciate the context of the situation Ryan took over and the difficultly of fixtures he’s had.

No probs.

what context? we were 5th no? hardly relegation fodder, we do have some decent players, we arent totally amateurs, yes we had just been pumped by Newcastle but sometimes those freak results happen (man utd for example), they don't represent a whole squad

Tucker · May 28, 2023

fishhhandaricecake said:
Bless ya, I don’t think you get ‘context’ do you. Looking at just win% is a far too simplistic way of viewing things, in that case is Tim Sherwood our best ever Manager and we should’ve given him a 6 year contract and the keys to WHL?

Each to their own but Im glad you’re narrowminded views aren’t driving the clubs decisions.

It’s been nice having a good positive conversation about this with the likes of @Tucker @rossdapep etc who give balanced, educated views on things but there will always be a few who like to think they know it all an also focus only on the negatives, whilst missing the overall context, that’s life.

That context is pretty important. Team was on its arse by the time Mason came in. He had two days prep to play United, and was unlucky not to get a win against them with the team fighting back to a draw after once again not turning up in the first five minutes. Then another short turnaround to play Liverpool where we were fucking robbed, should have been playing against ten men, and only lost in the last minute, to a goal scored by the player that should have been sent off.
Then beat Palace. Lost away to Villa who’ve been in incredible form since Christmas and hadn’t conceded a goal at home this year until today.

The Brentford defeat was unacceptable, but I put that down to our decimated squad more than anything Mason did. We were great first half and then dropped off a cliff once Bissouma (who’s been injured most of the season) ran out of puff. Shit happens. Leeds are shite and I always thought we’d beat them.

Mason has been at worst unlucky in his results and the hand he’s been dealt. Should he be in contention for the job when the likes of Nagelsmann and Poch have been available? Probably not. But we aren’t getting either of those, we aren’t getting Slot, or Enrique either imo. Amorim also tipped to stay in Portugal.

We are down to an array of poor options now imo. And we could do far worse than to back one of our own.

rossdapep · May 28, 2023

isaac94 said:
what context? we were 5th no? hardly relegation fodder, we do have some decent players, we arent totally amateurs, yes we had just been pumped by Newcastle but sometimes those freak results happen (man utd for example), they don't represent a whole squad

We may have been 5th but all of Brighton, Liverpool and Villa had games in hand.

The rot started agrees ago. Even if Conte stayed we'd have been throwing points away.

isaac94 · May 28, 2023

rossdapep said:
We may have been 5th but all of Brighton, Liverpool and Villa had games in hand.

The rot started agrees ago. Even if Conte stayed we'd have been throwing points away.

i agree, but think we would of least got europa under conte

yido_number1 · May 28, 2023

rossdapep said:
I actually think it's really sad.

By all means people are right to believe he is not ready for the job.

But people seem to be building a bit of dislike for him, which is absurd.

How are we as a club meant to get better if we have discontent between one another and hate on people who are clearly Tottenham through and through.

No dislike at all and in fact quite the opposite which is why I'd like to see him go away and forge his style in the lower leagues.

For me mason will always be the player that lit the fire for Poch with his performance against Nottingham forest in the cup.

He is proper spurs and I wish him nothing but the best. I just feel we need something completely fresh to rid the stench of the last 3 years or so and go again.

Metalhead · May 28, 2023

rossdapep said:
I actually think it's really sad.

By all means people are right to believe he is not ready for the job.

But people seem to be building a bit of dislike for him, which is absurd.

How are we as a club meant to get better if we have discontent between one another and hate on people who are clearly Tottenham through and through.

I think that we're coming back to the idea that Levy is on here thinking "hmm maybe I should appoint Mason" and then getting angry about it. Levy will do whatever he wants at the end of the day.

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