The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

Phil_2.0 · Jun 7, 2023

mil1lion said:
It's a 2 way decision. I think we didn't show we wanted him badly enough and be prepared to spend big to get him. In return Slot didn't want to join because we didn't show we wanted him enough. Same goes for Nagelsmann. We didn't want him because we didn't agree to his conditions. He didn't want to join without those conditions met. It doesn't have to be one rejected the other. That's what negotiations are for. Sometimes both parties can't agree and then to protect their image will make it apparent they rejected the other. There's no chance Slot would come out and say he wanted to join now he's staying with Feyenoord.

Well he won't say he wanted to join us because he didn't want to join us...

In the well sourced article on the Athletic they say that Nagelsmann refused to interview for the job, didn't like the way we were set up. Spurs 100% wanted Slot but he changed his mind in the interview process.

It was never anything to do with compensation, you can believe Arne Slot would cost 10m+ if you like but it's more likely that managers are hesitant to take a job at Tottenham because they've seen how top managers like Conte can't do the job and don't want to put their career in Levy's hands.

mil1lion · Jun 7, 2023

Phil_2.0 said:
Well he won't say he wanted to join us because he didn't want to join us...

In the well sourced article on the Athletic they say that Nagelsmann refused to interview for the job, didn't like the way we were set up. Spurs 100% wanted Slot but he changed his mind in the interview process.

It was never anything to do with compensation, you can believe Arne Slot would cost 10m+ if you like but it's more likely that managers are hesitant to take a job at Tottenham because they've seen how top managers like Conte can't do the job and don't want to put their career in Levy's hands.

And you can believe any report that corresponds to what you believe happened and call yourself right about it

Phil_2.0 · Jun 7, 2023

mil1lion said:
And you can believe any report that corresponds to what you believe happened and call yourself right about it

I am choosing to believe what the best reporters on Tottenham are saying, Alasdair Gold, Jack Pitt Brooke and Charlie Eccelshare all saying that Slot rejected us.

easley91 · Jun 7, 2023

Phil_2.0 said:
I am choosing to believe what the best reporters on Tottenham are saying, Alasdair Gold, Jack Pitt Brooke and Charlie Eccelshare all saying that Slot rejected us.

You mean the ones fed by the club?

I think it was somewhere in between. We didn't want him enough to pay the compensation, but he also was happy to stay where he is. Not like Slot went elsewhere after we decided against it. He signed an extension, so he clearly is happy enough to stay where he is.

cookiemonster · Jun 7, 2023

eViL said:
Some of us just want to be entertained. You don't buy a season ticket or subscribe to sports channels just to see us in a cup final.

I won't apologise for it.

Win a good amount of our games, score loads of goals, watch some great passing, the odd crunching tackle, experience sublime dribbling and I'm happy.

Otherwise, I would have gone and supported Man Utd or whoever else was sweeping up trophies when I was growing up if all I cared about was silverware.

It's not my fault if YOU (and I'm talking to anyone who complains that we don't win trophies) picked the wrong team.

When I started supporting spurs

We were entertaining & winning trophies

Ardiles Hoddle Villa Archibald Waddle Gascoigne Lineker

Phil_2.0 · Jun 7, 2023

easley91 said:
You mean the ones fed by the club?

I think it was somewhere in between. We didn't want him enough to pay the compensation, but he also was happy to stay where he is. Not like Slot went elsewhere after we decided against it. He signed an extension, so he clearly is happy enough to stay where he is.

You think Tottenham fed reporters the idea that Slot rejected Tottenham to stay in the Dutch league?

The article even says Feyenoord were already starting their own search for a new manager before Slot decided he didn't want to continue the process.

Stamford · Jun 7, 2023

eViL said:
Some of us just want to be entertained. You don't buy a season ticket or subscribe to sports channels just to see us in a cup final.

I won't apologise for it.

Win a good amount of our games, score loads of goals, watch some great passing, the odd crunching tackle, experience sublime dribbling and I'm happy.

Otherwise, I would have gone and supported Man Utd or whoever else was sweeping up trophies when I was growing up if all I cared about was silverware.

It's not my fault if YOU (and I'm talking to anyone who complains that we don't win trophies) picked the wrong team.

You can win trophies and play swashbuckling football you know. Spurs used to do it, its actually part of our history.

If we just want to be entertained fine, then as we've said for some time. Lower the prices. We pay the most and with that comes expectation.

mil1lion · Jun 7, 2023

Phil_2.0 said:
I am choosing to believe what the best reporters on Tottenham are saying, Alasdair Gold, Jack Pitt Brooke and Charlie Eccelshare all saying that Slot rejected us.

Where have they said he rejected us? You said that the Athletic article says that it ended during the interview process. How do you know he rejected us during the interview? How do you know what was said during the interview and that it had to be us that was a problem for him? What did he reject? Did he reject what we offered him or what we were prepared to pay to get him out of Feyenoord? Did he reject because he doesn't trust Levy as that seems to be what you suggested. It's all speculation so I don't know why you speak about it as if you were right all along. We don't know exactly what happened and probably never will. That doesn't mean we should default to it being Levys fault.

fishhhandaricecake · Jun 7, 2023

alfie103 said:
What was the point of building the stadium then? Why not just accept that we can't compete and not burden the club with a huge amount of debt.

We can can closer with the stadium and have increased spending accordingly but our football strategy has been all over the place.

Big Ange and a 4 year deal hopefully will re-address this so we can have an aligned plan and start to compete again but the Stadium isn't going to give us the same amount of revenues as an oil state country backing a club like in City and Newcastle's case for example or Chelsea who are spending £600mil etc.

Silly point really and ridiculous that 7 people have winnered it, its obvious why we needed to build the stadium, this issue is just that we've spent our money on signings badly and we've not had an aligned plan.

If we were run like Brighton but with our revenues and spend and resources I think we'd be top3 and going deep in cups.

fishhhandaricecake · Jun 7, 2023

ExpatFan said:
Not quite true.
All these clubs have "access" to huge amounts of money compared to us.
ENIC are worth billions. Joe Lewis is a billionaire.
We could spend north of £400 million in the next transfer window and still comply with FFP rules.
But the Lewis/Levy combo is more interested in the figure at the bottom of the balance sheet than in our empty trophy cabinet.
As long as these 2 chancers are running the show, our status as one of the 10 richest clubs in the world is meaningless.
Bring on the BSODLs!

I don't know why I'm defending ENIC as I share exactly the same feeling of frustration against them :ROFLMAO:

but what I'm saying is the spending isn't the big issue here its been the lack of a consistent football plan since Poch left.

Are we actually in theory able to spend £400mil in the next window and able to comply with FFP or is that an exaggeration? Also wouldn't that screw us financially given the stadium loans and debt.

Also if we spent £400mil on another 5 Ndombele's that won't really help us will it.

Its not the lack of spending so much as the constant chopping and changing of manager styles and player recruitment so our squad and identity is a mess.

We spent a reasonable amount last summer whilst not as much as I would've like and yes I do agree they could and should invest a bit more money in the playing side but the main issue more than anything is the lack of a football plan and vision since Poch left, hopefully with Big Ange and a 4 year contract we are now building towards a new consistent project and identity, if we do that and give Ange a good amount of control on shaping the squad and a half decent budget then I think we can be competitive again.

fishhhandaricecake · Jun 7, 2023

Phil_2.0 said:
I am choosing to believe what the best reporters on Tottenham are saying, Alasdair Gold, Jack Pitt Brooke and Charlie Eccelshare all saying that Slot rejected us.

So what if he did it means we identified him as n.o1 then we moved to Big Ange who is a very similar fit so it shows we actually did have a plan and idea of coach we were trying to hire this time.

ENIC and Levy are not perfect and have a lot of making up to do after the mess of the last 3 years but why are people either making stuff up or just spinning everything to seem negative, that isn't a balanced view imo.

tony0379 · Jun 7, 2023

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yiddopaul · Jun 7, 2023

tony0379 said:

That goon sound like a bit of a d**k to be honest.

McArchibald · Jun 7, 2023

yiddopaul said:
That goon sound like a bit of a d**k to be honest.

Goes with the territory... But having watched Levy at work for the past 22 years, it's easy to understand why Arsenal fans want him to stay at the helm for as long as possible.

jurgen · Jun 7, 2023

Levy: 1 third-tier domestic trophy in 22 years
The remaining dildo brother: 1 third-tier european trophy in 13 years
:unsure:

ComfortablyNumb · Jun 7, 2023

SirHarryHotspur said:
Sort of in contrast to the recent actual financial accounts audited by Deloitte, how can you be profitable if losing money ?

2020 loss £63.9 million
2021 loss £83.8 million
2022 loss £50.1 million

Profit is a matter of opinion, cash is king.

alfie103 · Jun 7, 2023

fishhhandaricecake said:
We can can closer with the stadium and have increased spending accordingly but our football strategy has been all over the place.

Big Ange and a 4 year deal hopefully will re-address this so we can have an aligned plan and start to compete again but the Stadium isn't going to give us the same amount of revenues as an oil state country backing a club like in City and Newcastle's case for example or Chelsea who are spending £600mil etc.

Silly point really and ridiculous that 7 people have winnered it, its obvious why we needed to build the stadium, this issue is just that we've spent our money on signings badly and we've not had an aligned plan.

If we were run like Brighton but with our revenues and spend and resources I think we'd be top3 and going deep in cups.

How close have we come to competing with the new stadium? It seems like our spending has increased along with the rest of the premier league's.

I accept the stadium isn't going to give us the same level of spending power as Man City, Newcastle or Chelsea but surely we can reach the levels Liverpool and Arsenal spend?

Why did we need to spend £1 billion on building a stadium if it we still can't compete with Man City, Newcastle and Chelsea with it? Why take on so much debt?

wadewill · Jun 7, 2023

tony0379 said:

Really think we would be the target if it doesn’t go through

But we all know it will and United will take the financially doped thing to a whole new level

hero · Jun 8, 2023

Really? Wow, what a surprise, Daniel COYS... 4 years... and now our competitors have become stronger.

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