Player Watch Player Watch: James Maddison

Ghost Hardware · Jun 13, 2023

jpascavitz said:
I still have a hunch that Hatate and a 10 could come in the same window obviously depending on outgoings.

To me, Hatate and Maddisson for example have different skill sets, yet both could be equally effective in Ange's system. Will have to see though.

Do agree that I hope we have alternate 10's to Mads since I think the only few remotely close to 10s are Kulu (not permanently signed) and Ndombele (probably should be a B2B, but we all know his strengths/weaknesses)

Problem is we would still need a wide player and, like you mention, we still have Ndombele and Gio plus Devine who would all play those 8 roles. Also Bentancur and Skipp obv. A lot of bodies and I get that we will probably sell some but ether way a WF is essential (i really hope there is zero truth in the Sancho rumours) along with a CM/AM and I struggle to see us getting in three attacking players. Its why Kang-In made so much sense as he would have killed two birds with one stone AM and WF. Shame he looks to be going elsewhere.

spursfan77 · Jun 13, 2023

CantSmileWithoutYou said:
No chance

Well, they are discussing it or similar at the PL meeting this week, so it is on the table. If you read the article, all the clubs currently fall within the proposals, so I would suggest a high salary cap, to begin with, isnt as fanciful as you'd believe.

StanSpur · Jun 13, 2023

Kulu as 10 and porro on the right. Sorted

carpediem991 · Jun 13, 2023

StanSpur said:
Kulu as 10 and porro on the right. Sorted

Sorted for a few games maybe. Not for a season considering their form swings and injuries.

I'd say next to a leading CB and a starting GK a true playmaker who can dictate play and feed our front three is the most essantial need this squad has.

mattspur1986 · Jun 13, 2023

Trix said:
My theory is it's because they don't cost peanuts any more. I'll be honest I've watched Scott a few times and I'd love him here, but I think you are talking upwards of £25mil for him. Big gamble for a player who has only played in the Championship.

ive said in another thread that I used to live 10 mins from Ashton gate and hve seen him live a few times, and he’s so far and above, and a few family & friends have season tickets and can’t stop raving about him, thinks he’ll have the same impact as Bellingham with better players around him, plus being a spurs fan - we’d hold that advantage over others. Think I’d prefer him over Maddison.

andyp8080 · Jun 13, 2023

Trix said:
Because to be blunt, I know things that you don't. When I say I've seen him play a few times it's not because I've paid to go to Ashton gate. In fact I can't remember the last time I paid to watch a football league side. I'm not trying to be patronising here, we've been discussing Scott behind the scenes for well over 18 months.

could we see a Levy type intervention like we did with Spence? Daniel will be thinking about the potential future sale to Real Madrid

SuperLuka · Jun 13, 2023

mattspur1986 said:
ive said in another thread that I used to live 10 mins from Ashton gate and hve seen him live a few times, and he’s so far and above, and a few family & friends have season tickets and can’t stop raving about him, thinks he’ll have the same impact as Bellingham with better players around him, plus being a spurs fan - we’d hold that advantage over others. Think I’d prefer him over Maddison.

He would be a big gamble. Maddison is close to a sure bet.

Trent Crimm · Jun 13, 2023

freeeki said:
Maddison close to joining Newcastle, apparently.

Can't be true - I was informed by folk on here there's no reason to choose Newcastle over us.

No way. I’m flabbergasted.

Guntz · Jun 13, 2023

StanSpur said:
Kulu as 10 and porro on the right. Sorted

Kulu is a great ball progressor with his dribbling but he can't pick a pass properly.

We still need a creative player who can unlock teams when they sit back.

danny32 · Jun 13, 2023

Trix said:
My theory is it's because they don't cost peanuts any more. I'll be honest I've watched Scott a few times and I'd love him here, but I think you are talking upwards of £25mil for him. Big gamble for a player who has only played in the Championship.

Is it not also a gamble with some of these so called high profile players. We are gonna drop 60m on N'Dombele, 25m on Lo Celso and looking at Richarlison we will do some there IMO. Its time for the scouts to back themselves and have the courage of their convictions. Probably only 1 in 3 of these potentials needs to pay off. Ange could be the perfect coach for this type of signing young players with open minds who can be receptive to the managers ideas. Can't see N'dombele doing this.

Tyler24durden · Jun 13, 2023

SuperLuka said:
He would be a big gamble. Maddison is close to a sure bet.

That’s what everyone said about Maddison at Norwich, Eze at qpr, olise at reading, KMJ before his move to Turkey, KK before his move to Napoli, the list goes on.

If you can recognise talent and scout them properly including personality, mentality and outside influences etc then it’s not a gamble.

Scott is going to be a big player in the EPL and we should be signing him.

Same goes for Lee Kang-In (now likely off to psg).

Maddison is a good player but does pick up injuries so it’s dependent on cost for me.

SuperLuka · Jun 13, 2023

Tyler24durden said:
That’s what everyone said about Maddison at Norwich, Eze at qpr, olise at reading, KMJ before his move to Turkey, KK before his move to Napoli, the list goes on.

If you can recognise talent and scout them properly including personality, mentality and outside influences etc then it’s not a gamble.

Scott is going to be a big player in the EPL and we should be signing him.

Same goes for Lee Kang-In (now likely off to psg).

Maddison is a good player but does pick up injuries so it’s dependent on cost for me.

For every one of those there are 10 that don't make it to the level everyone expected. Not saying don't shop in that market, we absolutely should. With the state of the squad both in terms of quality and fit for Ange, we need someone to drop in straight away if available.

Ghost Hardware · Jun 13, 2023

Tyler24durden said:
That’s what everyone said about Maddison at Norwich, Eze at qpr, olise at reading, KMJ before his move to Turkey, KK before his move to Napoli, the list goes on.

If you can recognise talent and scout them properly including personality, mentality and outside influences etc then it’s not a gamble.

Scott is going to be a big player in the EPL and we should be signing him.

Same goes for Lee Kang-In (now likely off to psg).

Maddison is a good player but does pick up injuries so it’s dependent on cost for me.

Tbh I can see Levy thinking signing Maddison might also work towards convincing Kane to stay.

I agree with what you say tho, I mean PSG are replacing Messi with Kang-In. We should be building for the future imo and not the here and now. Our team is not in a position where one or two signings will make us contenders, we need a long term rebuild. Building a team around Kane and/or Son at this point isn’t going to get us anywhere imo. Not with our budget anyway. Maybe a year or two ago it would but unfortunately I feel like we missed our chance on that front.

Now we should be looking at players who will be forming the core of our team for years to come. If only we had a DoF who could lay out a real long term transfer strategy. There’s a part of me that wonders if there is a little truth to Sancho rumours regarding our tentative interest because it’s completely the kind of illogical target I could see Levy being interested in.

Not that Maddison is illogical, I just feel we should be focusing on young and hungry players with plenty of space to develop.

dontcallme · Jun 13, 2023

Tyler24durden said:
That’s what everyone said about Maddison at Norwich, Eze at qpr, olise at reading, KMJ before his move to Turkey, KK before his move to Napoli, the list goes on.

If you can recognise talent and scout them properly including personality, mentality and outside influences etc then it’s not a gamble.

Scott is going to be a big player in the EPL and we should be signing him.

Same goes for Lee Kang-In (now likely off to psg).

Maddison is a good player but does pick up injuries so it’s dependent on cost for me.

Every signing has an element of a gamble to it. There is no way to scout with certainty.

C0YS · Jun 13, 2023

mattspur1986 said:
ive said in another thread that I used to live 10 mins from Ashton gate and hve seen him live a few times, and he’s so far and above, and a few family & friends have season tickets and can’t stop raving about him, thinks he’ll have the same impact as Bellingham with better players around him, plus being a spurs fan - we’d hold that advantage over others. Think I’d prefer him over Maddison.

They're not like for like. Big fan of scott I would love to sign him. For the future and for now. But hes not the kind of ball player maddison is. And I think we would still be missing that scott or not. Scott is much more a harworker, who loves a yellow card, with creative elements. But he is unlikely to ever be a player that posts the numbers that maddison does.

Ginola+Tonic · Jun 13, 2023

Is ‘The Wolf’ seen as reliable?

King of the Lane · Jun 13, 2023

Ginola+Tonic said:
Is ‘The Wolf’ seen as reliable?

Im not sure the posts from spurs ITK hub are allowed

dtxspurs · Jun 13, 2023

Tyler24durden said:
That’s what everyone said about Maddison at Norwich, Eze at qpr, olise at reading, KMJ before his move to Turkey, KK before his move to Napoli, the list goes on.

If you can recognise talent and scout them properly including personality, mentality and outside influences etc then it’s not a gamble.

Scott is going to be a big player in the EPL and we should be signing him.

Same goes for Lee Kang-In (now likely off to psg).

Maddison is a good player but does pick up injuries so it’s dependent on cost for me.

The difference is those teams are all at the bottom half of the table (outside of the KMJ deal but thats why he went to Turkey and not straight to Spurs). Leicester finished 9th in the league the Summer they bought Maddison.

No teams competing for top 4 are playing players straight from the championship regularly in their starting lineups/featuring in the majority of games.

I agree we should be taking more punts from the top talent in the championship but we buy Clarke, Rodon & Sessegnon and then don't give them consistent game time nor seemingly have a clear development plan for them. I blame a lot of that on our recent managerial choices but I don't think Rodon or Clarke were ever going to be good enough for Spurs.

Thinking that Scott could replicate what Maddison could offer us in the the next 3 seasons at least is foolish.

The right thinking is Scott to spell Maddison and play then Maddison is injured but we all know we're not going to spend that much money on attacking midfielders this summer.

kthwlsn · Jun 13, 2023

Ginola+Tonic said:
Is ‘The Wolf’ seen as reliable?

Depends. If it's positive for us then he's tier 1

Cochraam · Jun 13, 2023

dtxspurs said:
The difference is those teams are all at the bottom half of the table (outside of the KMJ deal but thats why he went to Turkey and not straight to Spurs). Leicester finished 9th in the league the Summer they bought Maddison.

No teams competing for top 4 are playing players straight from the championship regularly in their starting lineups/featuring in the majority of games.

I agree we should be taking more punts from the top talent in the championship but we buy Clarke, Rodon & Sessegnon and then don't give them consistent game time nor seemingly have a clear development plan for them. I blame a lot of that on our recent managerial choices but I don't think Rodon or Clarke were ever going to be good enough for Spurs.

Thinking that Scott could replicate what Maddison could offer us in the the next 3 seasons at least is foolish.

The right thinking is Scott to spell Maddison and play then Maddison is injured but we all know we're not going to spend that much money on attacking midfielders this summer.

Three things on the "why didn't we sign Eze, Maddison, Olise, KMJ, etc. when they were cheap" talking point.

1) I 100% agree a big downfall for us in this area is a lack of developing young players and pathway to first team minutes. Hopefully that was a product of our most recent coaches and will change with Ange, but I do think many players are choosing moves based on where they have a pathway to playing and contributing. If we had signed Eze 3 years ago or Olise 2 years ago, would they be in the same place in their development if they had found minutes as hard to come by as Sarr and Gil for example.

2) I think there's a decent possibility with some of these players that we expressed interest and maybe would've bid, but the players chose other destinations. It's not necessarily that our scouting department sucks.

3) I also think it's tempting to look at players who are doing great and say "why did we not go for them," but I've been on this forum long enough to have seen a ton of hot prospects fizzle out or not really pull up trees. I'm not really trying to kick off a debate on the specifics, but just from my memory of the last few years, here are some names of players who were in lots of wish lists but haven't really been fantastic since we missed out on them: Gelson Martins, Max Aarons, Patson Daka, Jean Michael Seri, Sander Berge, Kryzsztof Piatek, Odsonne Edouard, Moussa Dembele, Jayden Bogle, Boubakary Soumare, Alex Telles, Oliver Burke. So, it's not so easy as just signing up the next up-and-comer before they hit it big. Lots never do so no point playing the game of "if we had only signed Player A before they hit it big."

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