Dele Alli at Everton

Meercat · Jul 13, 2023

We have form for not turning our backs, like helping Danny Rose with his involvement in the youth team, where he built a real bond with those young players, and obviously Gazza, and I think, Aaron Lennon... the help given to the Greaves family... I don't think we would ever turn our back as a team on Dele, but I'd imagine while he's an Everton player we'd also never wade in with our size twelves and say let us help... a lot would likely depend upon Dyche and Everton and what they want for the next year for Dele, but I'll admit there's a huge knot in my heart right now that on a purely emotional level just wants to bring Dele home, even if it's true that you can never go home again... at least right now this place still has Eric and Sonny and Harry so it's still in some ways the same place... but I'm an emotional softie

KILLA_SIN · Jul 13, 2023

mark87 said:

There was post Ali made on on insta in which he said and im going by what I recall, 'Theres not many people Iove in this world, but this man is one of them', referring to Son. I knew he was in a dark place when he said that. Always thought he would retire with us, if he find his form I would love for him to come back.

Bluto Blutarsky · Jul 13, 2023

olliec said:
If we feel their performance is not upto par than we as paying fans have a right to criticise how they play on the pitch only.

I am not sure I fully agree with this - Even though I do it myself.

I understand it. I know most people will agree. But, I am not sure why we have a "right" to criticize players. Its not our job to select players, or to train the players - so what exactly are we hoping to accomplish by criticizing how a player performs?

jurgen11 · Jul 13, 2023

bc205 said:
Criticise yes. Abuse and insult no. Both of those players have suffered from inexcusable abuse in the stadium and online. Paying money does not give anyone the right to abuse players.

its part of the culture - where does it stop - John Terrys Mum song / Campbell song - the hundreds of fans seen behind corner takers shouting the C word and gesturing - football is toxic - always has been

bc205 · Jul 13, 2023

jurgen11 said:
its part of the culture - where does it stop - John Terrys Mum song / Campbell song - the hundreds of fans seen behind corner takers shouting the C word and gesturing - football is toxic - always has been

That doesn't mean the culture can't change. Racism and violence were much bigger parts of the culture only a few decades ago. Culture can be changed, it just needs enough willpower. Obviously you will never stop all of the boos and abuse, but that doesn't mean we have to sit back and let it happen. We all have the ability to call it out and try to stop it.

easley91 · Jul 13, 2023

jurgen11 said:
its part of the culture - where does it stop - John Terrys Mum song / Campbell song - the hundreds of fans seen behind corner takers shouting the C word and gesturing - football is toxic - always has been

Doesn't justify any of it though. The world wasn't educated enough, and you can call it woke if you like, but that stuff was disgusting. I remember Wenger's song we used to sing en masse. Doesn't make any of it right.

Football as a culture needs a wake up call and to evolve. The fans and the media need to understand what they chant/write isn't right and stop. It needs to be called out when it happens. Watch the Peter Crouch doc on Amazon and you'll see the abuse he got just because he was much taller and skinner.

None of it is right and we all need to be better. Buying a ticket does not give you the right to abuse someone. It really doesn't.

jurgen11 · Jul 13, 2023

easley91 said:
Doesn't justify any of it though. The world wasn't educated enough, and you can call it woke if you like, but that stuff was disgusting. I remember Wenger's song we used to sing en masse. Doesn't make any of it right.

Football as a culture needs a wake up call and to evolve. The fans and the media need to understand what they chant/write isn't right and stop. It needs to be called out when it happens. Watch the Peter Crouch doc on Amazon and you'll see the abuse he got just because he was much taller and skinner.

None of it is right and we all need to be better. Buying a ticket does not give you the right to abuse someone. It really doesn't.

It isnt right , I totally agree with you. Where else can you go a shout and swear and threaten in public? - do that anywhere else and you would get nicked...along with racism , homophobia it should be stamped out

soflapaul · Jul 13, 2023

Fantastic interview and was heartwarming to see Dele has turned a major corner in life. While the hard work is in front of him now, he now knows what the right direction is and knows what it takes to get there. Everton just may have a gem on their hands. I hope one day that returns to North London and that the terraces sing his name regardless of the shirt he wears. Then he will realize just how much we all loved him as a player and person.

spurs mental · Jul 13, 2023

chas vs dave said:
I have watched the whole thing. I have to admit, I teared up listening to him talk about his trauma and childhood, and the subsequent addiction

So did I. Absolutely heart wrenching stuff.

Hope this is a start for football as a whole, not just clubs but the wider media and everything else that goes with it, to stand up and look at how it supports players.

Disgusting that the rags were contacting Dele's people about it. Let him be. Makes me sick. They should be ashamed but they won't be.

mark87 · Jul 13, 2023

0-Tibsy-0 · Jul 13, 2023

olliec said:
Not really, it’s fine to criticise the performance of the player, but it will never be ok to personally attack them.

All fan bases do it. End of the day like trix said we are not a charity and we pay these players extremely well. If we feel their performance is not upto par than we as paying fans have a right to criticise how they play on the pitch only.

'We' booed our own players while they were wearing this football clubs shirt at our stadium.

It's fucking disgusting.

And if you don't think it is I'm so glad I don't know you.

DiamondLites · Jul 13, 2023

That interview was a tough, heartbreaking watch. I think we all knew there was some behind the scenes issues he was dealing with, but the extent of his traumatic childhood was shocking to hear

I hope he can find peace and happiness whether that be away from football or not. I hope we as a club reach out and offer support, somewhere he can train and be ready for whatever opportunity comes along. He clearly still has many friends at the club, and while it’s fanciful to think he could be apart of our first team again and we aren’t a charity I think he could really benefit from being in a positive and familiar environment

Good luck Dele, you’ll always have a home at Spurs

Misfit · Jul 13, 2023

Jesus. As I said when he moved to Everton, I'd just like to see him happy/content again, whether that's away from football altogether or not.

I hope he can find a way to get there. Still rooting for him.

agrdavidsfan · Jul 13, 2023

Wow heartbreaking if people read back a few of my posts in here I mentioned previously I thought he was in danger and my god it was worse than I even thought, like dele I had a pretty poor upbringing and he reminded me of myself and I think seeing him speak has just inspired me to maybe let go and heal some bridges incredible stuff really emotional love him.

Bring him home

StanSpur · Jul 13, 2023

Horrible to hear and awful that he was forced to do that only weeks out of rehab with a real risk of it setting him back. I hope now that the trolls who are always on his back feel some level of remorse or pause when looking to write another sample of click bait. I hope he can now move forward positively from the trauma that has built and stalled his career thus far and i think Dyche is a great manager to have because behind the gruff exterior i think is a real manager, one that understands that people come first - something Jose clearly cannot do. This should give him that Poch platform to maybe have a resurgence and get back to a top half team career. If it is too much mentally then i hope Spurs offer him an ambassador role or help him through his coaching badges so he can influence and help the next gen talent navigate their career development given the tools and experience he has learnt.

StanSpur · Jul 13, 2023

0-Tibsy-0 said:
'We' booed our own players while they were wearing this football clubs shirt at our stadium.

It's fucking disgusting.

And if you don't think it is I'm so glad I don't know you.

Football was the home of trolls before twitter and other socials, a place where weak minded people can vent their unhappiness with their own lives in vile ways safe in the anonymity of a crowd.

Colonel_Klinck · Jul 13, 2023

littlewilly said:
I'm retired now but I have a background in counselling and therapy spanning 40+ years, later teaching it at tertiary level. Couple of points spring to mind:

When Dele changed the name on the back of his shirt, every person I spoke to in my profession (who follow football) talked of the warning bells this signified.

Gary Neville is an extremely skilled interviewer, he really is, and one could use this interview in a training setting. Really impressed with distance, open stance, the non-verbal reinforcers, the clarifying questions and the summarising. He was very skilful. That was fascinating viewing. Makes you really want to give Dele a huge cuddle.

My opinion of Gary has gone up massively off the back of this. That is not an easy situation to deal with and he handled it perfectly.

NEVILLEB · Jul 13, 2023

It doesn't reflect well on our club that someone clearly going through mental health issues was labelled lazy and shipped out.

Where's the intelligence?

0-Tibsy-0 · Jul 13, 2023

NEVILLEB said:
It doesn't reflect well on our club that someone clearly going through mental health issues was labelled lazy and shipped out.

Where's the intelligence?

I understand the sentiment, and perhaps we should have been more pro-active, but in Dele's own words - he was hiding the state he was actually in.

HobbitSpur · Jul 13, 2023

Japhet said:
So much respect for him after that. Kids that go through the system like he did will often display heightened bravado and self confidence but it's often a fragile defence mechanism. Explains a lot about his football style to me. He wanted to please thos around him as a way of deflecting away from his troubled childhood. Kids in his situation often have trouble with authority too, citing the classic 'You're not my Dad' mantra. So glad that he's sought out some help though and hopefully it helps him to get back on track. Some things you miss out on in life simply can't be replaced and you have to find a way to deal with that.

Also absolutely brilliant that he's stolen the tabloids fire and shot them down at the same time.

This is 100% not directed at you @Japhet , but to most people on here including me. But we are all to quick to blame the tabloids but they are only feeding a desire by us the consumer.
If we weren’t so he’ll bent in finding out news, or looking for a little bit of gossip, or wanting to know everything about the ins and outs of peoples life then there would not be a place for the tabloid, sorry nearly all, the press.

It is far to easy to take the moral high ground when issues like this surface, but I guarantee that for most of us this will be yesterdays news tomorrow and we will be back hankering for the best piece of juicy news.

Society today has turned into an immoral shit heap, and we are all to varying degrees as responsible for this as the next person.

If we were not all so eager for intrusive knowledge there would be no gutter press, or click bait articles.

I question myself on many occasions as to how I should not interact to news/headlines that are incredibly intrusive, but still continue to crave and click, so I cannot point the finger at anyone past myself.

we as human beings just suck.

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