The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 10th August

Ghost Hardware · Aug 25, 2023

HildoSpur said:
He is a gamble but so are all signings, particularly young players. Is it a bigger risk than relying on Lo Celso who, let's be honest, hasn't looked like he wanted to be here until recently. I think Deki will move more centrally over time and will be the rotation option for Maddison.

I mean Fati is a left winger and Gio is a CM/AM. If anything we already have 3 LW so not sure why we need a 4th. Beyond that I don’t know how many games of Fati you have seen post injury but he’s not the same player. Mentally I’m not convinced he will get back to where he was.

And yes it would be a bigger risk imo than Gio as he has shown in multiple teams he can perform in an attacking system at club level and internationally. I think it would be a big mistake to sell Gio this late in the window.

Ron Burgundy · Aug 25, 2023

felmani26 said:
Have you not read or seen his injury record?

These are legitimate concerns and absolutely the reason why Barcelona are touting Fati.

Yup. This is where I am.

Interesting prospect, but I worry this guy will flatter to deceive through fitness (or lack of)

Scot-Spur · Aug 25, 2023

Taking Fati might mean Barca then go for Felix and that gives A.Madrid money for PEH.

We could then get a new midfielder if Lo Celso is part of the deal.

It also depends if Ange thinks Lo Celso will be in his plans long term.

Nick-TopSpursMan · Aug 25, 2023

2 disasters then. 1 letting Gio go and 2 signing Fati who is a monumental injury risk and doesn't really fit the profile of winger we need anyway.

luRRka · Aug 25, 2023

Ghost Hardware said:
I don’t know where we stand with POK but he’s saying Devine going to Port Vale on loan. Apparently should be confirmed soon all going well.

Will delete if not allowed of course

Confirmed by Ali gold and sami mokbel

Timberwolf · Aug 25, 2023

Ghost Hardware said:
I don’t know where we stand with POK but he’s saying Devine going to Port Vale on loan. Apparently should be confirmed soon all going well.

Will delete if not allowed of course

Prefer a League 1 loan where he plays every week to a Champ loan where he's in and out of the side.

Minutes have to be the main priority so hopefully that's a good level for him to get some serious game-time.

Ghost Hardware · Aug 25, 2023

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
Would rather keep Lo Celso as he is perfect as a rotation option with Maddison and perfect for Ange's system. Barcelona need funds from the Fati sale so i'm sure they would rather that than some kind of swap.

They did just have two injuries to their midfield which might make them more inclined to push for Gio. But you are probably right.

Also worth noting Fati is a Mendes client and he’s trying to move him out so Barca can get Felix, another one of his clients.

E17yid · Aug 25, 2023

felmani26 said:
Have you not read or seen his injury record?

These are legitimate concerns and absolutely the reason why Barcelona are touting Fati.

He was only out for 6 days last season (2 games missed) from a bruised knee. 2 seasons prior to that weren’t great but most important season was last year and he seems to have come through that relatively unscathed.

funkycoldmedina · Aug 25, 2023

E17yid said:
He was only out for 6 days last season (2 games missed) from a bruised knee. 2 seasons prior to that weren’t great but most important season was last year and he seems to have come through that relatively unscathed.

Please stop quoting facts, he's not on the SC preferred contractor list

Timberwolf · Aug 25, 2023

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
Would rather keep Lo Celso as he is perfect as a rotation option with Maddison and perfect for Ange's system. Barcelona need funds from the Fati sale so i'm sure they would rather that than some kind of swap.

Yeah think we'll need decent cover for Maddison this season so not a fan of losing Lo Celso as he's perfect for that role.

Only way it makes sense to me is if Ange also sees Kulu as an attacking 8 and this opens up the RW for Fati. Personally I'm doubtful Kulu is as good a fit for that 8 role as Lo Celso, though. And isn't Fati more of a left winger anyway...where we're stacked.

Doesn't really add up.

GioW · Aug 25, 2023

Fati's potential is absolutely sky high. Alot higher than afew on here realise , I'd say.

Xavi had some pretty strong words just afew days ago about them not even considering letting Fati go though.

BENNO · Aug 25, 2023

Just for context, re Fati injuries and anyone not wanting to see Gio swapped for him - Gio has missed over 50 games (286 days) through injury since he joined us (according to transfer market).

I've no opinion on Fati as a player, and i do like Gio as a player, but judging by that injury record, it's long odds on that Gio will have injuries again this season, so he's hardly one to rely on either !

Tucker · Aug 25, 2023

E17yid said:
He was only out for 6 days last season (2 games missed) from a bruised knee. 2 seasons prior to that weren’t great but most important season was last year and he seems to have come through that relatively unscathed.

He’s got a very important part of his knee missing. He’s busted. They wouldn’t be selling him otherwise.

Guernman · Aug 25, 2023

Ghost Hardware said:
I don’t know where we stand with POK but he’s saying Devine going to Port Vale on loan. Apparently should be confirmed soon all going well.

Will delete if not allowed of course

the old Matt Doherty routine....

Tucker · Aug 25, 2023

BENNO said:
Just for context, re Fati injuries and anyone not wanting to see Gio swapped for him - Gio has missed over 50 games (286 days) through injury since he joined us (according to transfer market).

I've no opinion on Fati as a player, and i do like Gio as a player, but judging by that injury record, it's long odds on that Gio will have injuries again this season, so he's hardly one to rely on either !

Doesn’t mean we should swap him for another crocked player.

E17yid · Aug 25, 2023

Tucker said:
He’s got a very important part of his knee missing. He’s busted. They wouldn’t be selling him otherwise.

Ohhhh Fati Fatiiiiiii
He’s only got one knee
He’s better than Lionel Messi
Ohh Fati Fati.

felmani26 · Aug 25, 2023

E17yid said:
He was only out for 6 days last season (2 games missed) from a bruised knee. 2 seasons prior to that weren’t great but most important season was last year and he seems to have come through that relatively unscathed.

Perhaps read @Ghost Hardware post above - he's not the same player post ruptured meniscus.

We would be coveting him on reputation alone and smacks once again at this twilight of the transfer window of opportunism rather than what's required to aid Ange in his efforts and who can be accommodated best for his system.

FibreOpticJesus · Aug 25, 2023

Ghost Hardware said:
I don’t know where we stand with POK but he’s saying Devine going to Port Vale on loan. Apparently should be confirmed soon all going well.

Will delete if not allowed of course

I would have thought he would be better off in the Championship. But the important thing is he plays regularly and in a style to suit Ange. Just confirmed on Spurs website.

Teddy Klinsmann · Aug 25, 2023

Ghost Hardware said:
I don’t know where we stand with POK but he’s saying Devine going to Port Vale on loan. Apparently should be confirmed soon all going well.

Will delete if not allowed of course

Think he needs to be considered as someone who has got most things spot on this summer.

Scot-Spur · Aug 25, 2023

It really depends on how the deal is structured, he has great potential but his injuries are a risk. He was fit most of last season however.

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