Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

DogsOfWar · Nov 7, 2023

The basic rule of the offside trap is you only play it when there is pressure on the ball.
So the high line was fine for most of the second half when we were pressing. This allowed us to compress the space in Chelsea's half making it hard for them to play through and if we did get the ball we were already up the pitch.

But once we tired there was no pressure and plenty of time for them to play the ball through.
We could have dropped back into a low block but we wouldn't have created those chances to equalise with 9 men.

Personally, I loved seeing us going down swinging.
We played with passion and swagger despite the odds which transferred itself to the fans.
And certainly, after the last 4 years of anti-football hell, I will never criticize a team or manager for that kind of swashbuckling mentalness.

Marauder · Nov 7, 2023

Archibald&Crooks said:
The first bump in the road of the process and i'm sure there will be more.

"That's not us or that's not how we do things" (Can't recall the exact words) After hearing that it is rampantly obvious we have exactly the right man in charge. We're going to play the right way, it'll punch us in the face from time to time but finally, fucking finally, we have a manager who can genuinely satisfy the phrase "We want our Tottenham back"

For the first time in far too long, we have a manager that just fits.

"We go down to 5 mate, we're still gonna have a crack" is the one that got me

fishhhandaricecake · Nov 7, 2023

Archibald&Crooks said:
The first bump in the road of the process and i'm sure there will be more.

"That's not us or that's not how we do things" (Can't recall the exact words) After hearing that it is rampantly obvious we have exactly the right man in charge. We're going to play the right way, it'll punch us in the face from time to time but finally, fucking finally, we have a manager who can genuinely satisfy the phrase "We want our Tottenham back"

For the first time in far too long, we have a manager that just fits.

Spot on mate

mil1lion · Nov 7, 2023

DogsOfWar said:
The basic rule of the offside trap is you only play it when there is pressure on the ball.
So the high line was fine for most of the second half when we were pressing. This allowed us to compress the space in Chelsea's half making it hard for them to play through and if we did get the ball we were already up the pitch.

But once we tired there was no pressure and plenty of time for them to play the ball through.
We could have dropped back into a low block but we wouldn't have created those chances to equalise with 9 men.

Personally, I loved seeing us going down swinging.
We played with passion and swagger despite the odds which transferred itself to the fans.
And certainly, after the last 4 years of anti-football hell, I will never criticize a team or manager for that kind of swashbuckling mentalness.

For me losing VdV and Romero was a big reason for that as we lacked recovery pace. Even more so when we then lost Udogie. We essentially had the midfield and defence on the halfway line rather than the defence on halfway and midfield pressing the ball. I think they wanted to help the defence out due to lack of pace back there so left more players chasing back to recover. Maybe the idea that in a 50 yard race one will get back or Vicario will get to the ball first. It ended up looking like a training exercise. It's just a unique situation where we were down to 9 men but the 2 red cards were defenders and we lost a defender through injury. I doubt they ever plan for this scenario.

UncleBuck · Nov 7, 2023

Scot-Spur said:
Why do people always find a negative to spin?

We didn’t lose 8/9 and could have easily drawn 2-2.

Jog on.

Or actually won it all joking aside, Dier being an inch off side coupled with Son and Benty’s chances.
They were playing keep ball at 1-2 against 9 men!
What we need to do is get an apprentice in asap to work with Ange because he won’t be in this game till he’s 70 like Fergie.
Bit of urgent succession planning needed, it’s our philosophy and needs to be passed down.

spurs9 · Nov 8, 2023

UncleBuck said:
Or actually won it all joking aside, Dier being an inch off side coupled with Son and Benty’s chances.
They were playing keep ball at 1-2 against 9 men!
What we need to do is get an apprentice in asap to work with Ange because he won’t be in this game till he’s 70 like Fergie.
Bit of urgent succession planning needed, it’s our philosophy and needs to be passed down.

Isn't that basically Ryan Mason?

Jody · Nov 8, 2023

spurs9 said:
Isn't that basically Ryan Mason?

I was thinking we could try and poach Steve McClaren.

McFlash · Nov 8, 2023

spurs9 said:
Isn't that basically Ryan Mason?

I hope so, I hope that Mase is soaking up every little detail from Ange after enduring the Conte reign.
He's experienced both extremes now and he's a bright lad so if he's going to emulate anyone, Ange is the man to copy.

ssamme · Nov 8, 2023

gavspur said:
I like the ‘this is the way we play, and this is how we are’.. I have a couple of issues with last night tho.
1) I don’t think we’ve ever played SUCH as high a line as that. I mean, all our defenders were in their half. Against Sterling. But it could have worked if….
2) Our midfielders had really pressed the chelsea player with the ball. I think that’s where we came undone. Skipp was at fault for the first one, hence Vic going mad at him. The Chelsea guy was given as much time as he wanted to pick the pass. It was really bad, and then crumbled from there.

It was brave, and it nearly worked. But unless there’s pressure on the ball in those phases, that high line with those defenders was gonna get hit at some point.

I guess the reason for the very high line even compared to Norman was to enable us to still press them constantly but reducing the space we had to do it, therefore making it more effective as less space for Chelsea to play in and conserve energy

easley91 · Nov 8, 2023

Monday wasn't about the result. It was more about the players fully buying in to Ange's ethos under any and all circumstances. Especially the players who are likely to leave January or the summer (Hojbjerg and Dier).

Even with 9 men it went down to fine margins. We were inches from 2-2 before it went 1-4.

dovahkiin · Nov 8, 2023

muppetman · Nov 8, 2023

Mr Pink said:
When Chelsea scored the third the whole South stand stood up and clapped the team.

Put a shiver up my spine...sheer class.

Was proud to be part of that.

I thought that was so good, no moaning, no complaining just full on support for what the team were trying to do. One of the highlights from the new stadium was that moment - I was very proud to be in that number.

muppetman · Nov 8, 2023

dovahkiin said:

I really hope that this is the start of a real pushback against the erosion of the ref - be it players, managers or pundits.

But, I'm not optimistic.

Mr Pink · Nov 8, 2023

muppetman said:
I thought that was so good, no moaning, no complaining just full on support for what the team were trying to do. One of the highlights from the new stadium was that moment - I was very proud to be in that number.

Where abouts where you mate? I was in 254

muppetman · Nov 8, 2023

Mr Pink said:
Where abouts where you mate? I was in 254

My ST is in 251, not always the best for views when it's happening down the other end, but fantastic when the atmosphere picks up.

Matrix · Nov 8, 2023

Led's Zeppelin said:
I didn’t think his point was that the same people were saying both things

I thought that he was correctly pointing out that whatever he did, unless we won there would be people complaining.

As it turns out it appears that most people here and by the sound of it in the stadium were proud of what he did and how the team went about their job, aside from the two individual cock-ups. .

Exactly that!!

Trix · Nov 8, 2023

Led's Zeppelin said:
I didn’t think his point was that the same people were saying both things

I thought that he was correctly pointing out that whatever he did, unless we won there would be people complaining.

As it turns out it appears that most people here and by the sound of it in the stadium were proud of what he did and how the team went about their job, aside from the two individual cock-ups. .

I wouldn't say I was proud of it, I thought it was suicidal and was only ever going to end with a loss. I do however believe I understand why he did it, and I think he ultimately sacrificed the game in order to push his underlying message of 'we must be brave regardless of circumstance.

We are very unlikely to face such an uphill battle ever again of circumstances stacking against us. 2 sending's off, 2 key players injured, 2 goals marginally ruled(correctly) to be offside and we still stuck to our principles and pushed forward. It was akin to watching the front line troops in WW1 climbing out of their trenches running into no mans land. There was only ever going to be one outcome imo, and I believe Ange knew that as well. I honestly think he's sacrificed the 3 points for a valuable, even crucial learning opportunity.

Trix · Nov 8, 2023

McFlash said:
I hope so, I hope that Mase is soaking up every little detail from Ange after enduring the Conte reign.
He's experienced both extremes now and he's a bright lad so if he's going to emulate anyone, Ange is the man to copy.

Mason hasn't got the personality for it, simple as that.

Led's Zeppelin · Nov 8, 2023

Trix said:
I wouldn't say I was proud of it, I thought it was suicidal and was only ever going to end with a loss. I do however believe I understand why he did it, and I think he ultimately sacrificed the game in order to push his underlying message of 'we must be brave regardless of circumstance.

We are very unlikely to face such an uphill battle ever again of circumstances stacking against us. 2 sending's off, 2 key players injured, 2 goals marginally ruled(correctly) to be offside and we still stuck to our principles and pushed forward. It was akin to watching the front line troops in WW1 climbing out of their trenches running into no mans land. There was only ever going to be one outcome imo, and I believe Ange knew that as well. I honestly think he's sacrificed the 3 points for a valuable, even crucial learning opportunity.

I'd agree, but I don't think it was suicidal.

I think as you say it was an extraordinary set of circumstances and there was no winning from that position with so much of the game still to go, so you make the most of a terrible situation.

I don't think that's suicidal or a sacrifice of 3 points that we weren't going to get by dropping deep for so long. I think it was extremely wise and mature management. Not to mention exceedingly brave. All qualities we have desperately missed for a long long while.

Wig · Nov 8, 2023

Trix said:
Mason hasn't got the personality for it, simple as that.

Ahh come on man. Please remember that Mason is still only 32 years old, and he is still learning a lot. At that age Ange had barely started his first ever managerial role in Australia, and before he went to manage a third division Greek side.

I'm not saying Mason will make it as a top level manager, but let's not write the guy off for someone so completely inexperienced.

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