jezz
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And Lamela is our second top goal scorer .
Your post said stated Lamela gives the ball away to much, the stats say otherwise.
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Your post said stated Lamela gives the ball away to much, the stats say otherwise.
danielneeds
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Erm, I'm not sure I agree with that at all. If say a Japanese company opened up offices here to take advantage of our market and brought over every single employee from Japan without interviewing British people, I'd say that was cause for complaint.
Football to me is more than just a game or a business, it's social, it binds communities, and it is important that young kids from this country can dream and aspire to playing in the PL.
As for the British sports media, rule of thumb for me, ignore everything single thing they say.
spurs9
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I doubt you would be disgusted hearing that if only 35% of supermarket workers were English (whilst having English workers wanting to do the job).
I don't see the issue with English media being glad that English players are given a chance in a league (or industry) that has a reputation for over looking them (whether true or not).
Which English players are not in the team on merit but just picked because they are English?
spurs9
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Yeah, they always have their favorites and pundits annoy me 100x more than they ever inform. Alli and Kane are definitely on their favorites list but Lamela seems to be the player they love to hate, it's like they made their minds up about him in the first season and are sticking to that no matter what.
eViL
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Thank the lord for stats. I said he gets caught in possession too much, not that he gives it away. Which is true.
Feel free to throw some stats at me for that..
JUSTINSIGNAL
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I'm calling it as I see it - and I like him as a player - but he lost the ball a ridiculous amount of times(there are stats to back this up). To me it doesn't matter if he's 19 or 29 if he's not playing well, then he's not playing well.
As I've said, fans perception get influenced by the young English player love in hyped up by the media.
Alli is hugely talented but yesterday he didn't play anywhere near as well as has been reported.
jezz
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eViL
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I'm not a statto to be honest buddy. I just watch the games.
jezz
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I watch all the games to and to many times I fall into the trap of seeing a player make a mistake and generalising there play on that incident.
Personally I think Lamela should be more greedy around the box, he should shoot more.
Bus-Conductor
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That's a bollocks analogy isn't it. Not even remotely close to the scenario I gave you.
I agree, football is a social phenomena but one of the beauties of football has always been it's ability to bind race, nationality, culture and creed together. It only does that at club level but it does that all over the world, and that has been one of the reasons it is the world's greatest game for over a century.
Bus-Conductor
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I don't give a fuck who works in my supermarket, especially if they are entitled to work there and are being paid at least minimum wage.
The problem with the English media voicing publicly a preference that English players are given chances by "clubs" is it's xenophobic and if business journalists published similar sentiments about how pleased they are that English people are being employed and not - legally entitled - foreign workers they'd be strung up.
I didn't say any English players are or aren't being selected because they are or aren't English. I have no idea. My problem is journalists, commentators and pundits publicly stating their preference and applauding managers for doing so. And it doesn't stop there, they also frequently blame "foreigners" for things like diving and cheating, blame foreign owners for "ruining the game" by not hiring "English" coaches and "Foreign" coaches for not selecting "English" players. And I frequently hear this bollocks trotted out almost every week on some football podcast, program or newspaper by English pundits and journalists (though less journalists these days as most that are prominent are less of the old school Sun variety and are often "foreign" themselves thankfully.
Bus-Conductor
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As for Walker, I remember one good ball into Lamela, and maybe a couple of other decentish balls in, and him getting forward plenty, but considering the acres of room and quality of opposition I think this is another case of commentator/pundit influencing fan perception of his "great" game. Trippier gets Dortmund away and Walker gets Villa. I'm pretty sure Trippier would have had a field day Sunday with the opportunities Walker had.
Ionman34
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Sounds like a few of the "fans" on here.
Unfortunately, the press haven't quietly gone away.
Capocrimini
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Walker was epic, out of interest does anyone keep a tally of who wins these polls? Would be an interesting thread, I am too lazy to start it!
THFCSPURS19
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@Blake Griffin does I think.
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Looking forward to see the final tally come the end of the season, assuming all of the ratings threads are accessible.
chrissivad
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There is a thread, but haven't updated it in a few weeks so will be a few pages down
yusrisafri
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Spot on. And his assist for 2nd goal was meant for lamela.
I like the lad but people here are super overhyping him.
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The dispossessed stat is unusual, because we think it's a negative but seems to be a feature of some of the leagues top players. I remember noticing a few years back the Suarez's was unusually high. Anyway, just went to check if this was still born out. These are the players in the PL who are dispossessed the most:
1. Aguero
2. Sanchez
3. Martial
4. Rondon
5. Lukaku
6. Silva
7. Ramsey
8. Costa
9. Zaha
10. Kane
https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/2...erStatistics/England-Premier-League-2015-2016
It seems that there's some relationship between those that dare to try something and those that are dispossessed, it is a feature of some of the leagues top players...
Just to test the theory I had a quick look at La Liga, and to be fair it doesn't really hold up. Both Messi and Neymar however appear in the top six worst offenders, but apart from them others of the Leagues biggest names don't even make the top 20.
Anyway, my conclusion is that the dispossessed stat is no stick to beat a player with, far from it, it almost seems a badge of honour.
glospur
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FWIW, both Alli and Kane said after the game that the ball was meant for Kane, not Lamela.
Also, it's arguable that the narrative from some that everything he does is overhyped is actually bigger than the overhyping that does happen. Of course, the same people will dismiss his game changing contributions because he can't control the ball and he sometimes misplaces passes. Although they're usually the same people that bizarrely seem to prefer controlling games than winnning them anyway.
