Still a chance for silverware yet?

Hot Spur said:

FFS all you people saying we had a better season than Man Utd and Arsenal.

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Why are you comparing? A lot of their wumming fans have been going on about having a better season than us. That doesn't mean they have. I've said it above, and I'll say it again - when they finished third and we won the CC did they shut the fahook up and concede we had had a better season or did they go on and on and on ab out their pathetic St Totteringham's Day thing? We all know the answer - and that answer proves that they have always prioritised league position over trophies. Their proud boast was that they had been in the CL for 20 years, and no matter how close we have made it they still went on and on and on about how we would never actually finish above them. Well now we have finished above them - and quite comfortably. And now they have missed out on CL. And all of a sudden none of this matters as long as you win a cup. Really?

We've had a good season...they've retrieved a poor season at the death in a one off game. Stop comparing and just be happy at how well we have done - because we did bloody well /of!

Football is about WINNING THINGS....TROPHIES !!!

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Winning is nice, but the vast majority of football clubs for the vast majority of their existence win Fack All!!! Doesn't stop their fans singing that their club is the greatest the world has ever seen. The first year I supported Spurs, as a pre-teen junior Yiddo, we got relegated! I didn't continue my support on the condition that they get immediate promotion and then start winning things. I just supported my club - I was more excited, being aware of the tradition of exciting football, in watching a junior GHodd scoring breath-taking goals than I was that one day we might be winning major trophies again. So I just don't get this attitude of yours. Winning things is nice...and I want my club to win things. But this insistence that our fantastic season wasn't a fantastic season because some other clubs retrieved their poor season by winning a trophy, and because we didn't win any trophies we are failures, just doesn't make sense.

No body remembers who came second, even if it was with 86 points, best goal difference....bla bla bla. That's all bollox. Coming second is "the best of the losers" !!!

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Yes they do.
We'll (mostly) all remember this season. It was an excellent season.
People do remember second. I can name one straight off the top of my head - Newcastle and the Keegan rant. Fergie got exactly what he wanted, but Keegan was right and Newcastle were the better team for most of the season. What Fergie did was snide and nasty, Keegan was right to be angry.
I think you are overdoing the focus on being winners - makes you sound like the classless Chavs who don't care that a dodgy Ruskie mafio has bought them trophies with monies looted from the Russian people. TBH.

Players want to win trophies, they don't want to come second.

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Are you a top of the top flight player? Because the evidence that most of us have seen is that players want to be in the top four, CL and challenging for the title. Trophies are nice, too, of course. But playing in the premium competition against premium teams does seem to be the major focus.

If spurs don't start winning things soon, our players won't stick around.

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I believe we will. Spurs fans like you remind me of this Open University programme I saw years ago. This middle-class scholar got it into his head that social class was merely a matter of intellect (like no-one had that idea before LoL), and he had just the way to prove it. Offer people a sumof money now, or twice as much in a year's time. The working class people all took the money immediately, the middle-class people all took the option of having twice as much in a year's time. The problem was, straight away I said that maybe the working class folk had more reason to believe they wouldn't be around in a year's time (crime/violent crime in their area, lower life-expectancy, lots of things can work together to create less of a sense of security - so a bird in the hand was actually a smarter move given their expectations and assumptions. The methodology was flawed. But, anyway, a lot of Spurs fans are like the working class folk in his tests. We all know (because it is a fact) that a club is more likely to keep it's best players and win several trophies if it finishes second than if it finishes outside the top four and wins a one-off trophy. But you/they are fearful that this is a one (two) off in which case winning one trophy would be better than one inconsequential second place that was never repeated. But when you look at everything about the club now, we aren't just going to fade-away.

So, second place on the way, and aiding, a progress to better things is preferred over a one-off trophy. You just don't see it because you are afraid to see it as anything but a one-off.

How many players left Arsenal over the last 10 years quoting lack of trophies as the reason for leaving. van Persie and Fabregas to name just 2 of them. Both left and won trophies after leaving.

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The circumstances were totally different. They were older players who had been at the club for longer. And they pretty much knew they were going to have a decade of austerity. We have the youngest team in the division backed up by an excellent youth set-up. Lots of things are different. We have learned from their mistakes (have a crowd...who make some noise) etc.

The whole point of a football club is to win stuff,

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Repetition. See above.

not finish second, second is losing.

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Repetition. See above.

Hot Spur said:

So tiger 666 doesn't think the idea is to win stuff. Ok, gottcha. Just sit back and watch all our best players leave if we don't win anything in the next couple of years.
EDIT : shadydan also thinks it isn't about winning stuff.

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But no-one has said that. You are twisting what they are saying. Winning is where we all want to be at. No-one is saying they don't want trophies - just that we will have more chance of keeping players and winning lots of things by finishing second (and in the top four for the second season running) than if we win one cup once. Where are Wigan now? How did Leicester fare in the season as defending champions. Being at the top regularly is the key to sustained success - winning a one-off trophy while finishing fifth isn't. They can only treat winning a trophy as they have because they have been at the top for so long, winning and competing consistently and expect to get back in the top four soon. If they had been mostly outside the top four for the last thirty years they would rather 3rd/2nd back to back top four finishes than an isolated trophy (or so).

Lighty64 said:

So you would rather sacrifice our place in the CL in hope to win a 1 off game that has no guarantee on the day. How would you of felt if Poch fielded his strongest team in every match finished 8th and ended up with nothing?

You would of been one of the 1st to moan when 4 of our players requested a move to have the chance to play CL. Players want CL footy, trophies, and money, unfortunately we are not in a position to be able to finance every dream hence why Berbatov, Modic and Bale left

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Where did I say I would rather sacrifice CL football? Provide the link please. If you can't provide the link, (which you can't), then don't put words into my mouth.

Hot Spur said:

Where did I say I would rather sacrifice CL football? Provide the link please. If you can't provide the link, (which you can't), then don't put words into my mouth.

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No you never but to be able really compete on all fronts with our resources to push hard for cups it would of taken its toll in the league

If you don't win stuff in Footy period you are looked at as an also ran , All the Cups, FA, Carling, Champions League,Europa, so on and so on are there to be won .yes we did have a great Season , BUT and its a BIG BUT, once again we have nothing to show for it, Nothing. I DON'T CARE who quotes me and says whatever to Persuade otherwise, we won Nada put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Spurs72 said:

If you don't win stuff in Footy period you are looked at as an also ran , All the Cups, FA, Carling, Champions League,Europa, so on and so on are there to be won .yes we did have a great Season , BUT and its a BIG BUT, once again we have nothing to show for it, Nothing. I DON'T CARE who quotes me and says whatever to Persuade otherwise, we won Nada put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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Christ. Get a grip. There is 4 opportunities to win something all season. Which you are by some miracle actually aware of looking at your post. And yet here you are whinging that we haven't won anything so here's the season in black and fucking white.

1) The Premier League; Runners Up. Chelsea went on a 13 game winning streak. That won them the league. We won 12 out of 13, and even 13 out of 13 wouldn't have won us the league.

2) European competition; Champions League, ok we didn't perform well but if you think we are going to go and beat Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus on route to winning it then I want what you are smoking.
2B) Europa League, we performed rubbish in the first leg v Gent. Played really well after having a man sent off in the 2nd and were unlucky to go out in my opinion. 2 sloppy goals conceded from their only attacks all game. If we had gone through and wanted to keep going to the final we would most certainly have had to sacrifice our league position and possibly finishing above Woolwich. Which would have had everyone crying. Again.

3) FA Cup; semi finalists. Played well and dominated the game. We weren't quite clinical enough when it mattered. Chelsea had Hazard, Costa and Fabregas on the bench. We had Moussa Sissoko. Son had a brain fart and Moses jumped over him. Moses was found out this weekend in case you missed it. About a month too late for my liking. It wasn't out day.

4) League cup, we basically binned this off with the amount of games we had coming at the time. By the way, United were lucky to win this. Saints had a goal incorrectly ruled offside once again highlighting the fact that the big boys seem to get the rub of the green far more often than they should.


Some people need to remember there is only 4 trophies every season. It's not that easy to stay and maintain league position while challenging in another competition. Look at Man United. They practically sacrificed the league to focus on Europa. Their squad is bigger than ours and people say we should have done the same. Fuck off.

Imagine if we'd binned off the league and ended up behind Woolwich AND not actually won the Europa League. People would be calling for Poch to be sacked.

@spurs mental no need to quote me , no need at all, I know what all the Cups are, I know all the Chances, and Again no need to quote me, Quote me when we win a Major trophy

Just to add to my post, the team that won the league this season won it 2 seasons ago. And added 100 million worth of players to it.

Spurs72 said:

@spurs mental no need to quote me , no need at all, I know what all the Cups are, I know all the Chances, and Again no need to quote me, Quote me when we win a Major trophy

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You're a miserable bastard aren't you?

I'll quote you if I want to.

My social media has been full of Gooners this weekend posting memes of how they won more trophies, how even in their worst ever season they won more than Spurs etc etc. Very small time stuff but anyways, it got me thinking, would we swap seasons with them?

For me, it's a big fat no. For where we are as a club at the moment, progression and consistency is very much the key. Sure, if we can win a trophy then great and i was as gutted as anyone when we lost to Chelsea at Wembley, but at the moment i think back to back CL qualifications and cementing ourselves genuinely as contenders is more important to our long term ambitions and indeed our long term chances of winning trophies.

In short, i would kill for a trophy but would i swap seasons, no.

If Arsenal are happy to paper over the cracks let them at it. They were gifted a route to the final and it will do them no favours in the long run. Just gonna fall even harder next season.

We won our last game 7-1 away having already clinched our best finish for over 50 years. Top scorers, best defence, golden boot winner, great football all season and a bright future on and off the pitch. Am I bothered that a few Gooners spent a bit of time on photoshop over the weekend? Am I bollocks.

I'm loving seeing this side grow and progress. Yes it would be amazing to see a couple of nice shiny pots come our way sooner rather than later but this season was fantastic on the whole and puts us in a a great place to continue progressing.

Having seen us regularly finish around 10th for many seasons, finishing 3rd then 2nd in consecutive seasons at a time when buying your way to titles is the preferred method (Leicester being the exception) is just exciting.

I don't care what the others are doing, lets just work to beat them and build a sustainable future of Spurs being a challenger in many fronts, in Europe's top competition where players want to come and play for the manager, the club and the fans. If we can do that then more than likely a couple of shiny pots will come our way to add to the 2 League Cups I've had the pleasure to see us win in the last 25 years.

We somehow still managed a premature ejaculation thread this year.

spurs mental said:

You're a miserable bastard aren't you?

I'll quote you if I want to.

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I don't see any point in you quoting me, but quote away if that is what pleases you, truth maybe hurting here but I do not care, Tottenham Hotspur need to start winning things Asap or we will wake up 1 day and the likes of Walker,Rose,Lloris,Dembele,Alderweireld,Verts,Kane,Alli will all be gone , and I bet wherever they go they will win things there , the time is now yesterday to be more specific and if they all go elsewhere we will have 2 Miserable Bastards

Spurs72 said:

I don't see any point in you quoting me, but quote away if that is what pleases you, truth maybe hurting here but I do not care, Tottenham Hotspur need to start winning things Asap or we will wake up 1 day and the likes of Walker,Rose,Lloris,Dembele,Alderweireld,Verts,Kane,Alli will all be gone , and I bet wherever they go they will win things there , the time is now yesterday to be more specific and if they all go elsewhere we will have 2 Miserable Bastards

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I don't understand how anyone can be negative after the season we had.

This has all started after Woolwich won on Saturday.

Let me ask you this; would you swap our 2nd place CL football next season for an FA Cup and Europa League place?

I don't disagree we need to win something, but it's not as easy to get over the line as some people think.

My thinking on this is that if asked at the start of the season, would you like to finish 2nd and above Arsenal or finah 5th and win the FA Cup, I would take the former.

I've seen us win the FA cups but never seen us finish 2nd it in the league.

Arsenal fans can be deluded as they like but deep down they know they have had a poor season compared to us.

I bet the people complaining that we didn't win anything are the exact same people who would be complaining if we won something but finished outside the top 4 or below Woolwich.

At the start of the season the Goons were giving it large that we would be saying this year would finish above them and laughing as they said it would never happen. It happened and that's egg on their faces...and they know it.

At the start of the season they were bigging up their chances of winning the league and taken for absolute granted that they would finish in the top four. They did neither and their title challenge was pathetic and typical total bottling until they knew they had no chance and then started turning it on again. Their aim wasn't finish fifth, win FA Cup. They failed in their aims. They fell outside the top four - their season was a disaster. They weren't in a state of virtual civil war because they dsagreed over their chances of winning the FA Cup - it was because they knew their form wasn't good enough for a title challenge and maybe not even good enough to finish in the top four. That left them with egg on their faces...;and they know it.

They are desperately trying to save face.

Their season is like an expensive book that's been chucked on the fire. They managed to pull it out after a couple of corners started burning...and some numpty thought throwing water on it would help. They havge their book, but it's burned and it has water damage but it's not worth a quarter of what it would have done if it had never been on the fire.

The problem is, a lot of their fans are glory-hunters from the period after Mr Scholar nearly destroyed us just as our rivals got access to BPL/CL/TV money and opened up a considerable trophy gap on us. They don't appreciate how close the rivalry was and they have somehow got it into their heads that they have to be laughing at us hysterically at all times (always managing to ignore our much better genuine recognised by UEFA European Trophy haul being much more impressive than theirs). They will do anything to maintain that feeling - just like when lasagna-gate put to bed the real meaning of their pathetic St Totteringham's Day thing, they reinvented the meaning of it and pretended their were celebrating the same thing.

So now they know they have egg on their faces but are obsessed about having something to laugh hysterically at us about. So they are now waving their book about and pointing at us and laughing because we don't have a book. And it is a fine old book. But it is burnt at the corners and water damaged...while we have a full subscription to the online Encyclopedia Britannica. So who cares that they managed to pull their book out of the fire.

Dougal said:

If Arsenal are happy to paper over the cracks let them at it. They were gifted a route to the final and it will do them no favours in the long run. Just gonna fall even harder next season.

We won our last game 7-1 away having already clinched our best finish for over 50 years. Top scorers, best defence, golden boot winner, great football all season and a bright future on and off the pitch. Am I bothered that a few Gooners spent a bit of time on photoshop over the weekend? Am I bollocks.

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Exactly. Not one of our fans should think we had anything other than a superb season. And especially not based on anything anyone else says or does.

I think some people on this thread are failing to connect with what everyone else is saying - so just to reiterate:
We all want to win trophies. Our season would have been more successful with a trophy thrown in. If pushed, most of us recognise that our squad are all going to be a part of a successful team. So we recognise that ideally we need to start winning trophies soon. No-one is naive about that...and no-one is saying we don't care whether we win trophies or not. All anyone is saying is that we had a bloody fine season and finishing fifth and winning the FA Cup isn't better.

@Spurs72 - no-one means anything by quoting your posts. There's no need to take it personally. It's how the site works. It's a site for discussion. Someone makes a post, stating a position or opinion or attitude and then others are allowed to question it. Because of the large number of posts and the length threads can run to, it makes it clearer who is responding to what if the relevant post is quoted. Quoting your posts is nothing out of the ordinary.

spurs mental said:

Christ. Get a grip. There is 4 opportunities to win something all season. Which you are by some miracle actually aware of looking at your post. And yet here you are whinging that we haven't won anything so here's the season in black and fucking white.

1) The Premier League; Runners Up. Chelsea went on a 13 game winning streak. That won them the league. We won 12 out of 13, and even 13 out of 13 wouldn't have won us the league.

2) European competition; Champions League, ok we didn't perform well but if you think we are going to go and beat Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus on route to winning it then I want what you are smoking.
2B) Europa League, we performed rubbish in the first leg v Gent. Played really well after having a man sent off in the 2nd and were unlucky to go out in my opinion. 2 sloppy goals conceded from their only attacks all game. If we had gone through and wanted to keep going to the final we would most certainly have had to sacrifice our league position and possibly finishing above Woolwich. Which would have had everyone crying. Again.

3) FA Cup; semi finalists. Played well and dominated the game. We weren't quite clinical enough when it mattered. Chelsea had Hazard, Costa and Fabregas on the bench. We had Moussa Sissoko. Son had a brain fart and Moses jumped over him. Moses was found out this weekend in case you missed it. About a month too late for my liking. It wasn't out day.

4) League cup, we basically binned this off with the amount of games we had coming at the time. By the way, United were lucky to win this. Saints had a goal incorrectly ruled offside once again highlighting the fact that the big boys seem to get the rub of the green far more often than they should.


Some people need to remember there is only 4 trophies every season. It's not that easy to stay and maintain league position while challenging in another competition. Look at Man United. They practically sacrificed the league to focus on Europa. Their squad is bigger than ours and people say we should have done the same. Fuck off.

Imagine if we'd binned off the league and ended up behind Woolwich AND not actually won the Europa League. People would be calling for Poch to be sacked.

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'There IS 4 opportunities'
You lost me right there

I think its a 'What would you prefer? A shit sandwich or a shit roll?' kind of question.

Dougal said:

If Arsenal are happy to paper over the cracks let them at it. They were gifted a route to the final and it will do them no favours in the long run. Just gonna fall even harder next season.

We won our last game 7-1 away having already clinched our best finish for over 50 years. Top scorers, best defence, golden boot winner, great football all season and a bright future on and off the pitch. Am I bothered that a few Gooners spent a bit of time on photoshop over the weekend? Am I bollocks.

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Gifted? Beating Man City and Chelsea. Yeah... ok.
I hate them as much as anyone but come on.