- Feb 13, 2004
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FFS all you people saying we had a better season than Man Utd and Arsenal.
Why are you comparing? A lot of their wumming fans have been going on about having a better season than us. That doesn't mean they have. I've said it above, and I'll say it again - when they finished third and we won the CC did they shut the fahook up and concede we had had a better season or did they go on and on and on ab out their pathetic St Totteringham's Day thing? We all know the answer - and that answer proves that they have always prioritised league position over trophies. Their proud boast was that they had been in the CL for 20 years, and no matter how close we have made it they still went on and on and on about how we would never actually finish above them. Well now we have finished above them - and quite comfortably. And now they have missed out on CL. And all of a sudden none of this matters as long as you win a cup. Really?
We've had a good season...they've retrieved a poor season at the death in a one off game. Stop comparing and just be happy at how well we have done - because we did bloody well /of!
Football is about WINNING THINGS....TROPHIES !!!
Winning is nice, but the vast majority of football clubs for the vast majority of their existence win Fack All!!! Doesn't stop their fans singing that their club is the greatest the world has ever seen. The first year I supported Spurs, as a pre-teen junior Yiddo, we got relegated! I didn't continue my support on the condition that they get immediate promotion and then start winning things. I just supported my club - I was more excited, being aware of the tradition of exciting football, in watching a junior GHodd scoring breath-taking goals than I was that one day we might be winning major trophies again. So I just don't get this attitude of yours. Winning things is nice...and I want my club to win things. But this insistence that our fantastic season wasn't a fantastic season because some other clubs retrieved their poor season by winning a trophy, and because we didn't win any trophies we are failures, just doesn't make sense.
No body remembers who came second, even if it was with 86 points, best goal difference....bla bla bla. That's all bollox. Coming second is "the best of the losers" !!!
Yes they do.
We'll (mostly) all remember this season. It was an excellent season.
People do remember second. I can name one straight off the top of my head - Newcastle and the Keegan rant. Fergie got exactly what he wanted, but Keegan was right and Newcastle were the better team for most of the season. What Fergie did was snide and nasty, Keegan was right to be angry.
I think you are overdoing the focus on being winners - makes you sound like the classless Chavs who don't care that a dodgy Ruskie mafio has bought them trophies with monies looted from the Russian people. TBH.
Players want to win trophies, they don't want to come second.
Are you a top of the top flight player? Because the evidence that most of us have seen is that players want to be in the top four, CL and challenging for the title. Trophies are nice, too, of course. But playing in the premium competition against premium teams does seem to be the major focus.
If spurs don't start winning things soon, our players won't stick around.
I believe we will. Spurs fans like you remind me of this Open University programme I saw years ago. This middle-class scholar got it into his head that social class was merely a matter of intellect (like no-one had that idea before LoL), and he had just the way to prove it. Offer people a sumof money now, or twice as much in a year's time. The working class people all took the money immediately, the middle-class people all took the option of having twice as much in a year's time. The problem was, straight away I said that maybe the working class folk had more reason to believe they wouldn't be around in a year's time (crime/violent crime in their area, lower life-expectancy, lots of things can work together to create less of a sense of security - so a bird in the hand was actually a smarter move given their expectations and assumptions. The methodology was flawed. But, anyway, a lot of Spurs fans are like the working class folk in his tests. We all know (because it is a fact) that a club is more likely to keep it's best players and win several trophies if it finishes second than if it finishes outside the top four and wins a one-off trophy. But you/they are fearful that this is a one (two) off in which case winning one trophy would be better than one inconsequential second place that was never repeated. But when you look at everything about the club now, we aren't just going to fade-away.
So, second place on the way, and aiding, a progress to better things is preferred over a one-off trophy. You just don't see it because you are afraid to see it as anything but a one-off.
How many players left Arsenal over the last 10 years quoting lack of trophies as the reason for leaving. van Persie and Fabregas to name just 2 of them. Both left and won trophies after leaving.
The circumstances were totally different. They were older players who had been at the club for longer. And they pretty much knew they were going to have a decade of austerity. We have the youngest team in the division backed up by an excellent youth set-up. Lots of things are different. We have learned from their mistakes (have a crowd...who make some noise) etc.
The whole point of a football club is to win stuff,
Repetition. See above.
not finish second, second is losing.
Repetition. See above.
So tiger 666 doesn't think the idea is to win stuff. Ok, gottcha. Just sit back and watch all our best players leave if we don't win anything in the next couple of years.
EDIT : shadydan also thinks it isn't about winning stuff.
But no-one has said that. You are twisting what they are saying. Winning is where we all want to be at. No-one is saying they don't want trophies - just that we will have more chance of keeping players and winning lots of things by finishing second (and in the top four for the second season running) than if we win one cup once. Where are Wigan now? How did Leicester fare in the season as defending champions. Being at the top regularly is the key to sustained success - winning a one-off trophy while finishing fifth isn't. They can only treat winning a trophy as they have because they have been at the top for so long, winning and competing consistently and expect to get back in the top four soon. If they had been mostly outside the top four for the last thirty years they would rather 3rd/2nd back to back top four finishes than an isolated trophy (or so).
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