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Ross Barkley signs for Chelsea

SEANSPURS1975

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...and like clockwork. The spin machine is now on full throttle.
Moved on from Barkley to other targets.
Leaks of new contracts (Harry and Toby) have been offered.
While the spin team are working overtime our direct rivals are actually going out and making their squads better. We will be left short again going into the second half of the season. We know how the rest of this window works. Lots of rumours and we’ll end up doing nothing. We’ve been in a great position over these last couple of seasons to really achieve something big and to push on, but we’re always just short in certain areas. As I said we’re so close, just the odd tweak is needed. Why are we so reluctant to make that next step?
All we want is an ambitious club whose main aim is to win trophies. Cannot see us anywhere near winning a trophy. Looks an uphill task to even get top four this season.
Seems to me we’re very ambitious to make money. All about making money.
 

E17yid

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There is a big difference. Hamstring surgery is rarely required. It appears limited to complete ruptures or to remove scar tissue from chronic hamstring tears. RB has what is called a Grade 3 tear. In serious cases a Hamstring avulsion can occur when the hamstring muscle, tendon are completely torn off from bone and to treat this repair, surgery is required. I suspect this may be the extent of RB's injury. The muscle is never the same again.

Look at RB's post operartive scar here if you think this was a normal tear.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...s-Barkley-reveals-huge-scar-left-surgery.html

What is Tobi’s then strange that he is out for longer. Genuinely curious as you seem to know your hamstrings. Is your career over as soon as you get a grade 3, then?
 

Hercules

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Trix said it’s just injury. You said there’s more to it than that. Am I wrong. I might’ve misread
Injury and more, and I am very sure Trix would agree. Sometimes it is best to accept what we put out ;)
 

UncleBuck

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There is a big difference. Hamstring surgery is rarely required. It appears limited to complete ruptures or to remove scar tissue from chronic hamstring tears. RB has what is called a Grade 3 tear. In serious cases a Hamstring avulsion can occur when the hamstring muscle, tendon are completely torn off from bone and to treat this repair, surgery is required. I suspect this may be the extent of RB's injury. The muscle is never the same again.

Look at RB's post operartive scar here if you think this was a normal tear.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...s-Barkley-reveals-huge-scar-left-surgery.html
Blimey, Mrs Bucks section scar is smaller!
 

Led's Zeppelin

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He’s low risk though isn’t he. It’s not like we’re talking about some £60m plus transfer fee (which is what we’d be talking about if he had 3 plus years left on his deal)

£15 fucking million and we’re passing coz he’s been out for 4 months or so. Let’s sell Lamela and Rose too in that case.

If he turned into a sick note it’s not like we’ve splashed out loads. Christ we lumped £30m on Sissoko and his wages probably aren’t to far off what Barkley was after.

Curious as to what changed between August and now it’s not like his recovery time has been delayed, he’s back in full training and Chelsea seem ok with the medical.

From what Hercules said it sounds to me as if it’s a question of having found a better alternative.

That would make sense, but if we can’t sign him, whoever he may be, till the summer, that would leave us weak for the rest of this season.

Perhaps they’ve decided that RB wouldn’t be fully fit till so late in the season anyway that we’re better off going for the alternative in the summer.

That could make good sense provided we’re confident about landing him, but I suppose that’s the sort of risk/judgement/gamble you have to take sometimes. Signing RB just in case we don’t sign the better alternative doesn’t sound like a very plausible or ambitious strategy to me, but I can see why some might think it would be better than nothing.
 

E17yid

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From what Hercules said it sounds to me as if it’s a question of having found a better alternative.

That would make sense, but if we can’t sign him, whoever he may be, till the summer, that would leave us weak for the rest of this season.

Perhaps they’ve decided that RB wouldn’t be fully fit till so late in the season anyway that we’re better off going for the alternative in the summer.

That could make good sense provided we’re confident about landing him, but I suppose that’s the sort of risk/judgement/gamble you have to take sometimes.

I guess we better hope that a million and 1 things that could happen between now and the summer don’t happen then, I guess.

I’m assuming this target that Hercules mentions isn’t bothered if we get CL football as at the moment I’d rank our chances at 50/50.
 

tototoner

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think he will just be another buy-to-let at Chelsea and Everton must be fuming at him having lost £20M on him in 4 months while rehabilitating him through injury
 

thelak

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From what Hercules said it sounds to me as if it’s a question of having found a better alternative.

That would make sense, but if we can’t sign him, whoever he may be, till the summer, that would leave us weak for the rest of this season.

Perhaps they’ve decided that RB wouldn’t be fully fit till so late in the season anyway that we’re better off going for the alternative in the summer.

That could make good sense provided we’re confident about landing him, but I suppose that’s the sort of risk/judgement/gamble you have to take sometimes. Signing RB just in case we don’t sign the better alternative doesn’t sound like a very plausible or ambitious strategy to me, but I can see why some might think it would be better than nothing.


This assumes we can actually deliver on any preferred target where our conversion rate under Levy of getting preferred targets is abysmal
 

tototoner

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From what Hercules said it sounds to me as if it’s a question of having found a better alternative.

That would make sense, but if we can’t sign him, whoever he may be, till the summer, that would leave us weak for the rest of this season.

Perhaps they’ve decided that RB wouldn’t be fully fit till so late in the season anyway that we’re better off going for the alternative in the summer.

That could make good sense provided we’re confident about landing him, but I suppose that’s the sort of risk/judgement/gamble you have to take sometimes. Signing RB just in case we don’t sign the better alternative doesn’t sound like a very plausible or ambitious strategy to me, but I can see why some might think it would be better than nothing.

I'm not going to start running about my front room punching the air just yet
 

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What is Tobi’s then strange that he is out for longer. Genuinely curious as you seem to know your hamstrings. Is your career over as soon as you get a grade 3, then?

Advances in medicine and treatment regimes have improved hamstring recovery dramatically in the last decade. Toby hasn't undergone surgery and I suspect that he is in cotton wool as rest and slow resumption of exercise is recommended for a myotendinous junction injury. This is a slow recuperative process which follows the initial inflammation of the muscle with a strictly supervised regime of recovery involving an increasing use of exercise to regain the full range of movement e.g. jogging backwards at 50% normal speed etc.

Players with a myotendinous junction injury typically have a faster recovery and a higher rate of return to prior level of function than those who have had an avulsion type injury. Avulsion injuries are pretty serious for professional athletes. If RB did have an avulsion injury, I think the club may have rethought a 40M quid contract on this basis.
 

Led's Zeppelin

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I guess we better hope that a million and 1 things that could happen between now and the summer don’t happen then, I guess.

I’m assuming this target that Hercules mentions isn’t bothered if we get CL football as at the moment I’d rank our chances at 50/50.

Well yes, I agree, but I hope there’s been some actual material contact with the player and that it’s not just a case of spotting someone who looks good who we’ll sound out in six month’s time. I hope so at any rate!
 

Led's Zeppelin

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This assumes we can actually deliver on any preferred target where our conversion rate under Levy of getting preferred targets is abysmal


It assumes nothing. It’s just an attempt to understand what might be going on.
 

Kiedis

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Chelsea generally have generally had the best injury record for years. So it'll be interesting to see how he'll look in that regard in the coming seasons.

I suspect he'll be just fine.
 

thelak

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Ultimately as I have felt for years now Levy and ENIC and uncle Joe are playing the end game now

New Stadium. Sell. Line their pockets. We hear the same stuff every single transfer window about how we are in for xyz , trust us etc and we rarely land a preferred target. This is a transfer that should have been a Levy special with a player that waited for us

Clearly ITk with superior knowledge to mine but saying trust Levy is a pretty bold ask when time and time again he has not delivered on transfer targets where there is genuine competition for the player
 

davros

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From what Hercules said it sounds to me as if it’s a question of having found a better alternative.

That would make sense, but if we can’t sign him, whoever he may be, till the summer, that would leave us weak for the rest of this season.

Perhaps they’ve decided that RB wouldn’t be fully fit till so late in the season anyway that we’re better off going for the alternative in the summer.

That could make good sense provided we’re confident about landing him, but I suppose that’s the sort of risk/judgement/gamble you have to take sometimes.

Perhaps the return of Lamela and Wanyama has given us enough midfield options to make the RB gamble unnecessary. It might be thought that RB isn't likely to be match fit for a few weeks, and then he'll need time to get up to speed and integrate. There's also the chance that there are doubts about whether RB will be ready to play at all this season. If that's the case then let him go and chase someone who is fit and isn't trying to come back from a pretty bad injury and surgery. We already have players in that position.
 

Led's Zeppelin

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Ultimately as I have felt for years now Levy and ENIC and uncle Joe are playing the end game now

New Stadium. Sell. Line their pockets. We hear the same stuff every single transfer window about how we are in for xyz , trust us etc and we rarely land a preferred target. This is a transfer that should have been a Levy special with a player that waited for us

Clearly ITk with superior knowledge to mine but saying trust Levy is a pretty bold ask when time and time again he has not delivered on transfer targets where there is genuine competition for the player

I don’t think that makes sense.

It assumes that the asset Levy wants to sell in your scenario is worth more without the good players you’re talking about than it would be with them. But it doesn’t work like that does it?
 
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