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Bluto Blutarsky

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Another question I have - have the Chelsea owners put any of their own money into the club since the acquisition?

If I recall the rules correctly, owners are entitled to make up for some losses by injecting additional capital.

It would not be enough to cover all of the losses, but again, if they are in a mitigating strategy, I can see them putting more money into the club to limit the penalty.
 

McFlash

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I would look at the prices Leeds United were forced to sell their stars for 20 years ago, once other PL clubs smelled blood.

We picked up Keane, Robinson, Lennon for an absolute steal.

Whatever Palmer's market price, Chelsea are not negotiating from the position of strength they were with Lukaku or others.

The sales of Havertz etc happened before PSR and FFP showed it's teeth.

If the Everton, Forrest, City etc charges are still holding by next summer then clubs aren't going to pay book price for Chelsea players.

Throw in the competitive advantage of clubs saving their own FFP wiggle room, and it's not going to be easy.
Leeds were also fucked over by the stupid wages they were paying, based on being in the CL and with no relegation clauses.
Iirc, they paid a big chunk of Keano's wage while he was playing for us.

Chelsea's high wages and long contracts is going to cause them all sorts of problems in trying to get players to leave.
 

nailsy

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We'll go round in circles here but I don't think it's in most clubs interest, I'd be amazed if Chelsea were quoting reasonable fees at this point also.

It depends how desperate they are to avoid the FFP penalty. If they were willing to sell Reece James to someone like PSG for a discounted but decent fee then all of a sudden they've only got to sell a couple more players to be ok.

If it was any other club I'd say they were screwed, but they seem to land on their feet every time. I wouldn't be surprised to see them go the Barca route of selling future TV rights either.
 

McFlash

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Yes - but that would buy them some time to sell a player of two.

Sometimes you just have to make the most of a bad hand. And trying to be FFP compliant could be worse, long-term, than accepting the penalty
They're going to run out of saleable players before they dig themselves out of this hole.
They can make profit on HG players but they've only got so many and due to all their recent signings being on absurd contracts, they can't turn to selling them off as nobody can afford them.

And they're going to need their own HG players as well, so if the flog them all off now, they are going to need to replace them at some stage.

I'm really hoping that they've painted themselves into a corner because of Boehly's ego, stupidity and lack of understanding of football.
 

Pochemon94

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If it was any other club I'd say they were screwed, but they seem to land on their feet every time. I wouldn't be surprised to see them go the Barca route of selling future TV rights either.
This just feels like something the Prem wouldn't allow, much like players must owning their own image rights to play.
 

aliyid

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I haven’t seen much of Chelsea this year beyond the banter stuff so how good is Palmer?

From what I’ve seen his stats look good but on a closer look half of his goals are penalties (5 pens + 5 open play) and he’s clearly not helping Chelsea control games.

Is 5 goals impressive based on Chelsea being poor or are Chelsea being poor because they lack control in his position?
 

nailsy

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This just feels like something the Prem wouldn't allow, much like players must owning their own image rights to play.

I hope so. Not sure it would be covered in the rules though as who would be crazy enough to do that?
 

Pochemon94

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I haven’t seen much of Chelsea this year beyond the banter stuff so how good is Palmer?

From what I’ve seen his stats look good but on a closer look half of his goals are penalties (5 pens + 5 open play) and he’s clearly not helping Chelsea control games.

Is 5 goals impressive based on Chelsea being poor or are Chelsea being poor because they lack control in his position?
Naw, he's been a bright spot for them certainly, he plays well above everyone else for them and seems super confident on the ball even for his age.
 

McFlash

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I haven’t seen much of Chelsea this year beyond the banter stuff so how good is Palmer?

From what I’ve seen his stats look good but on a closer look half of his goals are penalties (5 pens + 5 open play) and he’s clearly not helping Chelsea control games.

Is 5 goals impressive based on Chelsea being poor or are Chelsea being poor because they lack control in his position?
He's been pretty good and probably their best player...just probably not so good that City would be willing to buy him back for £90m quid, as @GutBucket would have you believe. 😉😁

If they could find a buyer, they could probably sell him for more than they paid for him but I couldn't see it being that much more, maybe 20m or so?

And of course, they've got to find a buyer...one that he'd be willing to go to.
 

RJR1949

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Another question I have - have the Chelsea owners put any of their own money into the club since the acquisition?

If I recall the rules correctly, owners are entitled to make up for some losses by injecting additional capital.

It would not be enough to cover all of the losses, but again, if they are in a mitigating strategy, I can see them putting more money into the club to limit the penalty.
In brief: clubs are supposed to limit losses to £15m over a rolling three year period but the limit can be raised to £105m if the owners put the difference (up to £90m) into the club in the form of share capital not loans.
 

Misfit

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In brief: clubs are supposed to limit losses to £15m over a rolling three year period but the limit can be raised to £105m if the owners put the difference (up to £90m) into the club in the form of share capital not loans.
That's a once every 3 year thing too I guess?
 

Bluto Blutarsky

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In brief: clubs are supposed to limit losses to £15m over a rolling three year period but the limit can be raised to £105m if the owners put the difference (up to £90m) into the club in the form of share capital not loans.
When you have already invested billions, adding another £100m to protect the investment is a no-brainer...
 

GutBucket

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I haven’t seen much of Chelsea this year beyond the banter stuff so how good is Palmer?

From what I’ve seen his stats look good but on a closer look half of his goals are penalties (5 pens + 5 open play) and he’s clearly not helping Chelsea control games.

Is 5 goals impressive based on Chelsea being poor or are Chelsea being poor because they lack control in his position?
He is at 91 percentile when it comes to progresssive passes, that's elite. Maddison is at 95 and Odegaard 94. And he's playing for a mid table team that doesn't have real identity yet. He is just consistently good like the other 2. Definitely worth way more than 60m as @McFlash would have you believe 😏
 

rossdapep

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Wouldn't be surprised if Saudi bought Lukaku for a ridiculous amount. He has already heaped praise on the Saudi League so would probably be okay playing there.

100m or so is probably nothing to the Saudis.

Then they sell Broja, Gallagher, Maatsen for a combined 60m or so.

If I was a Chelsea fan that is what I would hope for.

Trouble is they still need new players after that so would be right back in it next year. Maybe they are going to keep gambling yearly that they get CL football.
 

McFlash

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He is at 91 percentile when it comes to progresssive passes, that's elite. Maddison is at 95 and Odegaard 94. And he's playing for a mid table team that doesn't have real identity yet. He is just consistently good like the other 2. Definitely worth way more than 60m as @McFlash would have you believe 😏
I was only joking mate.
I do think he's looked really good but it's only been a few months so far.
I personally think he could be a great player but for me, it's a bit too early to say he's doubled his value already.

With him, a lot is going to depend on whether he would want to leave already, and then things like wages and contract length, which is probably going to put his price beyond a lot of teams.
I can't see City losing face by buying him back at double the cost already and that would only leave a soon to be manager-less Liverpool.

I also don't think Chelsea will be wanting to sell their best player, who they recently acquired and who counts as HG.

I think he's stuck at Chelsea, or Chelsea are stuck with him, depending on how you look at it.
 

Rocksuperstar

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On this one topic, I feel a modicum of respect has to go to the new owners.

When they took charge they had the books examined, found problems, immediately referred themselves to the relevant body. Todd and Co have done this bit by the books, not immediately lawyered up and tried to fight it.

I'd hope they take that into consideration when compared to City and whatever punishment they receive.

If any.

2 3 folk now who think continuing to cover it up and cheat was the right thing to do, I guess.

Just been chatting to a Chelsea fan mate from work and he's said that if they have to take punishment for previous seasons then he doesn't care if they retcon the record to show them finishing 14th or whatever, he's only concerned about what's going to happen this year and how they'll have to find buyers for half of the loaned out players. He's smart enough to also point out, which hadn't crossed my mind, that with all this taking place in public, clubs will squeeze them for every penny on those outgoings knowing that it's a buyers market when you're desperate to offload.

Boehly calls in some favors, suddenly the Dodgers anounce three mysterious batters out of nowhere :D
 
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