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Match Threads Spurs vs Brighton

Date
Feb 10, 2024
KO Time
3:00 pm
Score
2 - 1
Sarr & Johnson for us

Match Prediction

  • Spurs Win

    Votes: 125 76.2%
  • Brighton Win

    Votes: 25 15.2%
  • Draw

    Votes: 14 8.5%

  • Total voters
    164

parj

NDombelly ate all the pies
Jul 27, 2003
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i think teams know how to control us better. we don’t control games like we used to anymore
I'm not sure it's that so much. I think when you have no choice but to give it to your central players then it's easy to block that route. I think Brighton were forcing us to play to Werner and to a certain extent, Kulu. I think it they are both playing well, then they don't press as high.
 

gloryspur

Active Member
Dec 7, 2006
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To dare is to do and they just got it done! Impressed by Brighton and they looked like they would pinch it as well. Vicario love the passion just this passing out from the back will always have us on a knife edge on which way the result will fall. Sometimes the pressure that invites is no good for my blood pressure. A great win though, onwards and upwards from here!
 

mattstev2000

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Aug 15, 2007
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No it doesn’t. We’re 4th in the table, six months into a new manager with a young team. We’re doing very well and we’ll get more consistent.

Everything is going fine, relax.

Not for me, were starting a journey and philosophy and to be honest, it's going a lot better than expected.
If we keep working at it, it's only going to get better.

I don't think we should be so myopic about any philosophy. It's naive to not be open to change if things aren't working in the context of a match and it definitely wasn't working at times today and was leaving us in dangerous situations that Brighton should have exploited better.

Deciding that things are going fine so we shouldn't look to improve anything is why we are perennial underachievers.
 

easley91

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Jan 27, 2011
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The problem is it's arguably getting worse.
How many of our players would you say are match fit and match sharp?

It was never going to be flawless and the start we had raised the bar very quickly. We will make mistakes, we will concede chances and goals. It's just the nature of how we are going to play and Ange won't compromise it. At least it doesn't feel like he will.
 

JoaoPereira

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Sep 5, 2020
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Our play it out from the back no matter the situation or performance of the players 'philosophy' really needs a rethink.
agreed. not in a philosophy sense but in an operational manner. time and time again we have no width, midfielders are taking turns dropping with their chest to our goal with no outlets other than the same CB that found him. there are multiple situations per game where our 1st phase build up makes no sense geometrically. it's a nuanced discussion that would need video to properly support it but the point is that it is very much a work in progress. whether that is personnel or tactical, I'm not sure. tend to say responsibility falls both ways.
 

Bluto Blutarsky

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Mar 4, 2021
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The problem is it's arguably getting worse.
I think we were probably a bit ahead of ourselves in the first 10 games.

We (Ange) still has work to do to find the right mix of players - particularly in the midfield. We could use early-season Bissouma to show up soon.

As the players, like Johnson, build confidence, we should reap those rewards. We had a few players with an off-game today, and still scraped out 3 points. And, that is the important part..
 

werty

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Aug 8, 2005
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I think Vic’s form has taken a bit of a dip which is having an effect.
Bissouma and Maddison's ability to take the ball on the half turn was instrumental in helping us, but teams have adjusted to us inverting our fullbacks and it's making it very hard to build out from the back now.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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Cannot really remember the time when we had players who can come off the bench and influence the game.

Not the greatest performance but we deserved the win - it makes it even better to do it at the death.
Yep. although moving forwards we need to get back to dominating games a lot more again.
 

McFlash

In the corner, eating crayons.
Oct 19, 2005
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The problem is it's arguably getting worse.
Probably down to the constant change of players due to injuries etc.
Give the players more time to get used to each other and learn the system and it'll be fine.
 

robotsonic

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Aug 20, 2013
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I think we were probably a bit ahead of ourselves in the first 10 games.

We (Ange) still has work to do to find the right mix of players - particularly in the midfield. We could use early-season Bissouma to show up soon.

As the players, like Johnson, build confidence, we should reap those rewards. We had a few players with an off-game today, and still scraped out 3 points. And, that is the important part..
Biss and Madders starting the season on fire was what created all of that early drive and excitement. Not surprised we've been off it without. The sooner they get back fit and in form, the sooner we will look a lot better imo
 

stoddle

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Jul 27, 2005
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Another disjointed performance but I've never known a season where we've had so many first team players out at any one time over such a long period of games.

I'm excited that we'll now get the opportunity to see the players begin to build that understanding again and end the season strongly.
 

Bluto Blutarsky

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Mar 4, 2021
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I don’t it was just amusing as it seemed you deliberately went back to down vote it after the goal and I wanted to know what you disliked about it.

Personally I think Kulu was a an large part of us controlling the midfield and moving the ball up the pitch in the second half and subbing him led to us ceding control to Brighton. We could have bright on anyone for him and i would have still felt it was a bad sub.
I do think Kulusevski was growing into the game, and plays an important role - but, with the benefit of hindsight, I can understand Ange wanting to have pace on the wings - for exactly the type of goal that was scored.
 

BuryMeInEngland

Polish that cock lads
May 24, 2012
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Ah shut up man, he was playing shite and not even trying, a tap in doesn’t change that

People calling that out aren’t pricks. Maybe you’re the prick
In fairness, if he "was not even trying" he wouldn't have been in that position to score in the 95th minute. He would have been dawdling by the touchline ready for the final whistle. At least give him props for scoring the winner ffs
 

Oh Teddy Teddy

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Aug 10, 2017
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I don't think we should be so myopic about any philosophy. It's naive to not be open to change if things aren't working in the context of a match and it definitely wasn't working at times today and was leaving us in dangerous situations that Brighton should have exploited better.

Deciding that things are going fine so we shouldn't look to improve anything is why we are perennial underachievers.

Fair enough. Still think it’s too early to change things too much, and players are coming back from long injuries and absences. It’s going to be very inconsistent.

I think Brighton are too gung-ho, though. Getting caught on the counter in the final 10 seconds is poor game management. And that won’t change under RDZ.
 

Ghost Hardware

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Aug 31, 2012
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I was in full agreement about Kulu, he was looking really bright, probably the best he's been for a while.
Yeah, so Johnson scored the winner, that doesn't suddenly make the Deki sub less of an odd one at the time.

When we made the triple sub, I personally would've only changed Bents for Biss, I thought both Timo and Deki were playing well.
Fair play though, it worked out in the end with a great run and ball in from Sonny, coupled with a well timed run from Johnson.

At the end of the day, it's just nice to have options from the bench available again.
This was my point at the time. We could have brought on Son for Kulu and I think it would have been a bad sub. Kulu was clearly significantly growing into the game and was an integral part of our domination of them I felt and bring on Johnson, who has a different skill set, was not a clever move at that point in the game.
 

Thenewcat

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Aug 8, 2019
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Really, all our best players were the 5 at the back.
As I said, stats aren’t everything but we had 16 shots to their 6. We weren’t at our best but daylight robbery is just a massive overreaction. As well as the goals we had Richy and Kulu one on ones, Maddison curling wide in a great position and a few other chances.

There’s a tendency on here to treat anything other than a scintillating, crushing performance as totally unacceptable and pure luck if we get anything out of it. We were the better side today overall and deserved to win. Stop complaining
 

Ghost Hardware

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Aug 31, 2012
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I do think Kulusevski was growing into the game, and plays an important role - but, with the benefit of hindsight, I can understand Ange wanting to have pace on the wings - for exactly the type of goal that was scored.
Thing is I’m not saying not to make the sub I just think it was too early to take Kulu off. The game was quite physical and Kulu was excellent at using his strength to move the ball up the pitch and retain possession. When he came off we lost that and it showed.

The switch to pace on the flanks was the right move but not at that point in the game, at least not so dramatically. Imo the subs should have been more staggered and not all at once as we just lost control and couldn’t wrestle it back. Essentially Johnson coming on was obviously the right move but not at that point of the game imo.
 

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