Player Watch Player Watch: Timo Werner

HodisGawd · Mar 11, 2024

I don't understand people wanting Soloman sold. I thought he looked good. My view aside, he hasn't had a chance yet and it seems like he's being poo-pooed without us having seen enough of him to make that that decision. Manor will be useful off the bench, for sure. Whether he'll accept being 7th in the pecking order for the top three positions I don't know, but if he does that makes us pretty strong.

Werner, we have to buy.

With Werner I'm cool with our options up front. Yes, we could have more world-class talent up there and they could potentially be upgraded, but as a starting point it's not bad and making the right decisions on improvement is bloody hard. We have to be sure when we buy someone they'll be an upgrade.

Styopa · Mar 11, 2024

mil1lion said:
We had special players like Kane and Bale but won nothing. It's more about the overall squad quality. Not relying on one special player but having threats from various positions. One reason we fell short was because teams knew if they stop Kane they often stop us.

Yeah at various times we had several special players: e.g Modric, Bale, VDV or Dele, Eriksen and Kane but the squads were a bit short and we usually run out of steam through injury or fatigue, or ideas etc.

I actually kind of agree with you and @djhotspur. I think we probably do need one or two more special players but it’s just as important to pack the squad with quality. I think we’re not that far away from having both to be honest. Another two or three good transfer windows and we could be there.

Bluto Blutarsky · Mar 11, 2024

HodisGawd said:
I don't understand people wanting Soloman sold. I thought he looked good.

Not sure how anyone can draw any conclusions on Solomon - good or bad. He has been in the league for 2 years now, and has missed 40 games and counting. He has played 70+ minutes in only 4 games over the last two seasons.

If Ange wants to keep him, fine with me.

If Ange thinks we can do better at that position, fine with me.

And again - it's not always about ability - availability counts too. And, after two significant knee injuries in two consecutive seasons, I think you have to question the availability aspect as much as the ability.

Guntz · Mar 11, 2024

I think we'll sign him permanently and then look to sell Gil/Solomon.

It's quite obvious that Solomon was only signed as it was a deal that was too good to pass up due to his contract situation with Shakthar.

We'll hopefully still be able to sign a marquee wide player like Eze/Neto/Bakayoko etc...

ikky · Mar 11, 2024

Keep this up and signing him will be a no brainer. He’s done his case no harm at all. As a few others have said, I’d be happy to sell Gill & Solomon to get 1 special player eg Neto, Williams or such ilk.

mil1lion · Mar 11, 2024

Styopa said:
Yeah at various times we had several special players: e.g Modric, Bale, VDV or Dele, Eriksen and Kane but the squads were a bit short and we usually run out of steam through injury or fatigue, or ideas etc.

I actually kind of agree with you and @djhotspur. I think we probably do need one or two more special players but it’s just as important to pack the squad with quality. I think we’re not that far away from having both to be honest. Another two or three good transfer windows and we could be there.

Thing is I don't see us signing a special player. We can sign a young prospect with potential to be special. So having established players like Werner makes sense. Then you have young prospects for competition and hopefully some become world class. We already have young players with world class potential.

Misfit · Mar 11, 2024

Gil on the outs, Solomon with his injuries. Eh. Werner would be a good option for the squad on a silly low fee. We'll need a chunk to bring someone else in so if he keeps up decent form until he end of the season I can see the club pulling the trigger as it makes sense from every angle.

djhotspur · Mar 11, 2024

mil1lion said:
We had special players like Kane and Bale but won nothing. It's more about the overall squad quality. Not relying on one special player but having threats from various positions. One reason we fell short was because teams knew if they stop Kane they often stop us.

I get this sentiment too but we’ve built the squad out a lot in the last couple of years and it isn’t a million miles away from being ready imo.
Signing one top quality player and 2-3 squad players is a must as well. A proper 6 rotstion to challenge biss, likely a LB to rotate Udogie, like it we need a 10 if the plan is to sell Gio unless I guess the plan is to play Kulu there in rotation maybe give some game time to donley, bergvall etc. Arguably another cb

McFlash · Mar 11, 2024

We've got 11 games yet to make up our minds but currently, 15m is looking like an absolute bargain.

The best thing is that we've got options and we're in a position of strength.

met was god · Mar 12, 2024

McFlash said:
We've got 11 games yet to make up our minds but currently, 15m is looking like an absolute bargain.

The best thing is that we've got options and we're in a position of strength.

The transfer fee does look a great price. He has improved us and our ability to cope with rigours of a long season.

Are we going to meet his wage demands? Currently picking up 150k plus at his parent club. Do we want to splurge that on a 28 for a 4/5 year contract with little resale value?

Not saying we won’t or shouldn’t do the deal but not as straightforward as just paying the fee I think.

Excited to see what he brings for those 11 games and how this pans out. So far a really good loan with potential for something more in the long term.

Frozen_Waffles · Mar 12, 2024

I know he's available for 15m and he's done well, I do like him....

However buying players because there cheap shouldn't be our modus operandi. (Anymore)

Let's face it Johnson and Kulusevski have done well (if not spectacular) but have big potential. Soloman is injured still and we'll see but Werner has a lot to prove before we buy him.

I know this is not FM but leaving Werner and selling Gil and buying two players such as Neto and Chiesa (example) should be our target.

His final ball and finishing is just really poor and at 28 he's not going to set the world on fire.

The wide areas have clearly been our weak point and for me Son and Richarlison are fine, so it's wingers we need. Johnson has massive potential and Kulusevski is just so useful.

Time for the hard decisions and for me it's Werner out and for the first time in a while we'll actually be letting go of a good player.

We've made a career out of signing players just because their cheap, we need to turn a corner here.

Great January signing but shouldn't be a summer signing imo.

Mr Pink · Mar 12, 2024

If he keeps this up we absolutely should be buying him.

$hoguN · Mar 12, 2024

This thread is really confusing. We have a player who is tailor made for Ange’s system. Is now settling and getting goals. Has pace to burn and makes the runs which creates space for others. Half the thread want rid as Neto could be available for a ridiculous amount of money, has a record of terrible injuries and long recoveries etc.

Madness. Werner fits, so sign him.

Mr Pink · Mar 12, 2024

Picture the scenes of him scoring the winner at Stamford Bridge

arunspurs · Mar 12, 2024

There should not even be a discussion of if we should sign Werner.

422 minutes played, 2 goals , 2 assist and lot many more chances created by himself. He is averaging nearly goal contribution every 100 minutes. While sample set is less, its still good enough given he passes the eye test. His start to PL is miles better than Richy.

15m - no brainer.

Sell Gill , Solomon in summer along with Hojbjerg, Lo Celso, Skipp.

We can rotate Son, Richy, Werner in forward positions. After Werner, we should go big for a wing forward like Williams or Kvara or Leao. Spend the money there. Then we can certainly compete on all 4 fronts.

HildoSpur · Mar 12, 2024

Frozen_Waffles said:
I know he's available for 15m and he's done well, I do like him....

However buying players because there cheap shouldn't be our modus operandi. (Anymore)

Let's face it Johnson and Kulusevski have done well (if not spectacular) but have big potential. Soloman is injured still and we'll see but Werner has a lot to prove before we buy him.

I know this is not FM but leaving Werner and selling Gil and buying two players such as Neto and Chiesa (example) should be our target.

His final ball and finishing is just really poor and at 28 he's not going to set the world on fire.

The wide areas have clearly been our weak point and for me Son and Richarlison are fine, so it's wingers we need. Johnson has massive potential and Kulusevski is just so useful.

Time for the hard decisions and for me it's Werner out and for the first time in a while we'll actually be letting go of a good player.

We've made a career out of signing players just because their cheap, we need to turn a corner here.

Great January signing but shouldn't be a summer signing imo.

It's not just because he is cheap though is it? He has proven that he is a good player with top class movement. If he had the finishing ability of Son we wouldnt be able to afford him. He is more than good enough to be an excellent rotation option for that left side plus he can offer cover in other positions if required. It's a total no brainer to keep him as in my opinion he is better than our other rotation options there in Solomon and Gil. To be clear, if we had to pay double what we will be paying I'd still say it would be a good deal.

spurs mental · Mar 12, 2024

arunspurs said:
Leao

Hes not that good really. Would hate to see us waste our money on him.

Legacy · Mar 12, 2024

Since Werner signed for us, only Johnson (5) and Son (5) have provided more goals + assists for us than Werner (4). Nobody has contributed a goal or assist in more games than him (4).

Thought that was an interesting stat.

Styopa · Mar 12, 2024

I think the idea that we would be buying Werner to replace Gil or Solomon is a bit misplaced. Those two have made virtually no impact for us, even as rotation options.

I think in terms of minutes, Gil has made the equivalent of about 5 full Premier League matches since he joined the club. For Solomon in terms of minutes, I think it’s about the equivalent of two full games.

So it’s not like Porro as an upgrade on Emerson or van de Ven for Dier/Davies - because those players actually played for us.

If we buy Werner it will be for the place he currently occupies. And if we don’t buy him, I guess we’ll buy someone else for that spot.

I think we will make a separate decision regarding Solomon. It’s a bit different from Gil, who has been here for years.

$hoguN · Mar 12, 2024

Styopa said:
I think the idea that we would be buying Werner to replace Gil or Solomon is a bit misplaced. Those two have made virtually no impact for us, even as rotation options.

I think in terms of minutes, Gil has made the equivalent of about 5 full Premier League matches since he joined the club. For Solomon in terms of minutes, I think it’s about the equivalent of two full games.

So it’s not like Porro as an upgrade on Emerson or van de Ven for Dier/Davies - because those players actually played for us.

If we buy Werner it will be for the place he currently occupies. And if we don’t buy him, I guess we’ll buy someone else for that spot.

I think we will make a separate decision regarding Solomon. It’s a bit different from Gil, who has been here for years.

I think the whole point of the argument is that Werner should be signed and if someone has to go Gil and Solomon should be closer to the exit door.

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