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steve

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I actually thought we were very good in the first half. That was exactly how I wanted us to play - given the circumstances and who he'd picked - we actually had more ball than them and it reminded me of our approach to AC Milan. Keep it tight, keep a grip of the ball as much as poss, no silly bollocks and nick a win if we can.

I hope you're right, but I think the team that got the biggest lift from that game was City, they will feel they have that winners ability and having contrived to chuck it away at the death I think will do nothing for our belief.
One has nothing to do with the other - what City get out of that game has no real bearing on what the Spurs players get from it. Of course it's a massive boost for City but they had more to lose than us - they already had the belief, hadn't lost at home all season and were top.
Our 2 goals knocked them for six and gave our players a belief they never had before or during that match. They can come away and think 'we can beat them all' - they never felt that before I think...
 

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friedel 7.5

walker 5.5
kaboul 8
king 6
ekotto 6

lennon 6
parker 7
modric 6.5
bale 7.5

vdv 6
defoe 7

livermore 6.5
pienaar 6
 
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I like stats as much as anyone, BC, but we created jackshit whilst they carved out numerous good chances in that first 30 mins alone. Pleat's analysis in The Guardian was a good read.
Like I said, I need to watch it again, but I certainly don't remember numerous "good" chances. I remember a couple first half. I remember a couple of times them getting in between our midfield and defence where Modric was sucked up the pitch, and mentioned that in my ratings post, but I still thought we had plenty of ball and the overall contest was pretty even first half.

Where do you get first half/second half possession stats BC?

I was looking for possession stats before and after Livermore's introduction this morning, for part of a piece I was going to write in the tactics thread, but couldn't find them anywhere.
Sky sports match summary, at the bottom they give all the stats.


One has nothing to do with the other - what City get out of that game has no real bearing on what the Spurs players get from it. Of course it's a massive boost for City but they had more to lose than us - they already had the belief, hadn't lost at home all season and were top.
Our 2 goals knocked them for six and gave our players a belief they never had before or during that match. They can come away and think 'we can beat them all' - they never felt that before I think...
I know one has nothing to do with the other, that's just how I see it though. I think City will take far more of that "winning mentality or "confidence" from that game than we will. I think if it had stayed 2-2 neither side would have taken that much from the game mentally, if we had won it we would have and their confidence would have taken a knock, especially being 2 up. But I can't see how, no matter how it's told to them, they can come out of that feeling more confident than before.

But I really hope I'm wrong.
 

steve

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I know one has nothing to do with the other, that's just how I see it though. I think City will take far more of that "winning mentality or "confidence" from that game than we will. I think if it had stayed 2-2 neither side would have taken that much from the game mentally, if we had won it we would have and their confidence would have taken a knock, especially being 2 up. But I can't see how, no matter how it's told to them, they can come out of that feeling more confident than before.

But I really hope I'm wrong.
I'm surprised you see it that way. At 2 - 0 we were dead and buried and so was any pretence of us being good enough to challenge the other 2. At 2 - 2 we were back in it - the players were almost as shocked as we were I think.

So the players from thinking 'shit we just aint good enough' go to thinking 'shit we were fucking unlucky there we could've beat them' is a massive boost. I honestly honestly think that the players leaned more towards the first quote than the second pre match. Now post match they think 'we're as good as them'. I just don't see how they can see it any other way...

City had hammered us and United they really thought they were the bollocks going into this - we didn't but now we do or should do...
 
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I'm surprised you see it that way. At 2 - 0 we were dead and buried and so was any pretence of us being good enough to challenge the other 2. At 2 - 2 we were back in it - the players were almost as shocked as we were I think.

So the players from thinking 'shit we just aint good enough' go to thinking 'shit we were fucking unlucky there we could've beat them' is a massive boost. I honestly honestly think that the players leaned more towards the first quote than the second pre match. Now post match they think 'we're as good as them'. I just don't see how they can see it any other way...

City had hammered us and United they really thought they were the bollocks going into this - we didn't but now we do or should do...
Time will tell, I hope your right. I know my confidence took a beating, as did the sky remote.
 
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I really don't think our players will come away from that lacking confidence. They will feel a sense of injustice, that they had no luck, but they went up their and went toe-to-toe with them and I don't see how they can come away feeling inferior in any way, shape or form.
 

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The only outfield players City had that were anywhere dangerous was Silva and Aguero,the rest are average.
 

Mr Pink

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If I had my way I would give the players a standing ovation when they take the field against Wigan next week, for their efforts in the second half yesterday.

We need to propel them back to winning ways and I must admit a home against Wigan is the perfect tonic...couldn't of picked a better fixture to see a reaction.

I fear for Wigan next week.
 

ShelfSide18

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I've not long got back from Manchester having stayed overnight, and still remain absolutely gutted. It was a devastating day, but I feel immensely proud of every single player yesterday.

I don't get to as many away games as I used to, but being there yesterday reminded me that it does tend to magnify the emotions you feel during a game of football. Especially as next to me was a bit of netting, and beyond that Man City fans. I felt sick at the final whistle, possibly the worst I have ever felt at a Spurs game, where that fine line in football between us and the title came down to, literally, a couple of inches.

I'm not going to do ratings, I don't feel in the least bit rational yet but all I will say is that Scott Parker deserves a massive fucking 10/10. My dad who watched it on telly said the cameras didn't pick it up, but what I saw was a guy who from early on was playing through the pain barrier. It was rumoured he needed injections to play, well i believe that now - every time the ball went out of play from early on he looked in absolute agony and it looked like for all the world he would have to go off, but when the ball was in play he sucked it up and kept running through brick walls for us. He even had his head stamped on by that thug Balotelli and kept going. What a fucking trooper.

I'm not going to focus on any negatives about our play, objectivity is for another day, all I can say is that we were very good at a very tough place, and every player worked their balls off for the cause. The reactions at the end from the players was telling, they gave a shit. Bale collapsed to the floor when the pen was given, Walker looked devastated. I'm long past the stage believing they all care about Spurs like us fans do, why should they, but it is testament to our team spirit that they see to really enjoy giving their all for Spurs. Psychologically this could damage us, although if you could cherry pick one fixture to play after that you would say Wigan at home after a cup tie to get the backlash sorted out swiftly, and Redknapp could be the perfect man to get these players believing in all the positives from yesterday. He should also borrow from the Mourinho guidebook in making us believe that these grievances we might have should galvanise us, and not become a convenient excuse.

There's still a faint belief that we're still in the race for 1st, and if not then the race for 2nd is on because that would mean no Champs League qualifier, and to become a club with a title winning mentality you look up not down. Still gutted, but as proud as I've been of Tottenham in my lifetime.
 

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I've not long got back from Manchester having stayed overnight, and still remain absolutely gutted. It was a devastating day, but I feel immensely proud of every single player yesterday.

I don't get to as many away games as I used to, but being there yesterday reminded me that it does tend to magnify the emotions you feel during a game of football. Especially as next to me was a bit of netting, and beyond that Man City fans. I felt sick at the final whistle, possibly the worst I have ever felt at a Spurs game, where that fine line in football between us and the title came down to, literally, a couple of inches.

I'm not going to do ratings, I don't feel in the least bit rational yet but all I will say is that Scott Parker deserves a massive fucking 10/10. My dad who watched it on telly said the cameras didn't pick it up, but what I saw was a guy who from early on was playing through the pain barrier. It was rumoured he needed injections to play, well i believe that now - every time the ball went out of play from early on he looked in absolute agony and it looked like for all the world he would have to go off, but when the ball was in play he sucked it up and kept running through brick walls for us. He even had his head stamped on by that thug Balotelli and kept going. What a fucking trooper.

I'm not going to focus on any negatives about our play, objectivity is for another day, all I can say is that we were very good at a very tough place, and every player worked their balls off for the cause. The reactions at the end from the players was telling, they gave a shit. Bale collapsed to the floor when the pen was given, Walker looked devastated. I'm long past the stage believing they all care about Spurs like us fans do, why should they, but it is testament to our team spirit that they see to really enjoy giving their all for Spurs. Psychologically this could damage us, although if you could cherry pick one fixture to play after that you would say Wigan at home after a cup tie to get the backlash sorted out swiftly, and Redknapp could be the perfect man to get these players believing in all the positives from yesterday. He should also borrow from the Mourinho guidebook in making us believe that these grievances we might have should galvanise us, and not become a convenient excuse.

There's still a faint belief that we're still in the race for 1st, and if not then the race for 2nd is on because that would mean no Champs League qualifier, and to become a club with a title winning mentality you look up not down. Still gutted, but as proud as I've been of Tottenham in my lifetime.
:clap:

Wasn't there, but even from watching in the Pub that sums up my feelings perfectly!
 

ShelfSide18

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:clap:

Wasn't there, but even from watching in the Pub that sums up my feelings perfectly!
Cheers, I thought I may be going a little sentimental and OTT, but the fact is I'm still completely crestfallen by the result. Especially sitting on the segregation of the fans, there was no hiding when the pen went in. Although there was a nice touch by a City fan who caught my eye at the end when we were applauding the players who gave me an appreciative clap as if to say, 'top support, well played Spurs'.

I'd almost completely forgotten about another amazing gesture by a City fan yesterday, who me and my mate got chatting to on the train up there. Turned out he works at City, and he invited us to go pitchside before the game. He told us to meet him outside one entrance which turned out to be the main players entrance, he first gave us and some others a talk on their new development plans, then took us down the tunnel and around the dugout area where we had a few pics and met Mike Summerbee briefly. Nice guy, and a great gesture.

Onwards and upwards.
 
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In these 6 times how many were down the Walker/Kaboul channel, my instinct yday was that they were targeting these two quite a bit (eventually payed off with the first goal)
How many times was the ball played into the channel between Kaboul and Walker in the first half? I make it 3 times and I attach no blame to either of them in any of those 3 passages of play. I have to credit City's movement but it was just too easy to bypass our midfield. No pressure on the ball, ballwatching and Scott Parker (who was playing a little deeper than the rest of our midfield) not doing what you might expect of him. If what ShelfSide18 said about him playing through the pain is true, it would make sense.

There was a separate incident in the 25th minute where City took a quick free kick from just inside their own half and Aguero was shepherded wide by Eunice but eventually gave him the slip before laying it off to Silva who screwed a shot wide. I am not sure what Walker was up to-he ended up in no man's land.
 

ShelfSide18

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Just had a look at the stats from yesterday, Modric 64/56 & VDV 60/54 (in 68 mins).

To put this into context, having a quick flick through the Guardian chalkboards the only CM at the Etihad this season so far that has beaten Modric's total was Swansea's Agustien, and only Agustien and Henderson have beaten VDV who was taken off after 68 minutes.

Flicked through the torygraphs ratings and they gave VDV a 5/10, saying he was listless and quite remarkably claimed why Redknapp bothered to play VDV away from home.
 
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Just had a look at the stats from yesterday, Modric 64/56 & VDV 60/54 (in 68 mins).

To put this into context, having a quick flick through the Guardian chalkboards the only CM at the Etihad this season so far that has beaten Modric's total was Swansea's Agustien, and only Agustien and Henderson have beaten VDV who was taken off after 68 minutes.

Flicked through the torygraphs ratings and they gave VDV a 5/10, saying he was listless and quite remarkably claimed why Redknapp bothered to play VDV away from home.
I can understand it from dimwits on a forum but people paid decent money to talk about football really should be capable of a bit of objectivity and a modicum of common sense.
 

Mr Pink

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I've not long got back from Manchester having stayed overnight, and still remain absolutely gutted. It was a devastating day, but I feel immensely proud of every single player yesterday.

I don't get to as many away games as I used to, but being there yesterday reminded me that it does tend to magnify the emotions you feel during a game of football. Especially as next to me was a bit of netting, and beyond that Man City fans. I felt sick at the final whistle, possibly the worst I have ever felt at a Spurs game, where that fine line in football between us and the title came down to, literally, a couple of inches.

I'm not going to do ratings, I don't feel in the least bit rational yet but all I will say is that Scott Parker deserves a massive fucking 10/10. My dad who watched it on telly said the cameras didn't pick it up, but what I saw was a guy who from early on was playing through the pain barrier. It was rumoured he needed injections to play, well i believe that now - every time the ball went out of play from early on he looked in absolute agony and it looked like for all the world he would have to go off, but when the ball was in play he sucked it up and kept running through brick walls for us. He even had his head stamped on by that thug Balotelli and kept going. What a fucking trooper.

I'm not going to focus on any negatives about our play, objectivity is for another day, all I can say is that we were very good at a very tough place, and every player worked their balls off for the cause. The reactions at the end from the players was telling, they gave a shit. Bale collapsed to the floor when the pen was given, Walker looked devastated. I'm long past the stage believing they all care about Spurs like us fans do, why should they, but it is testament to our team spirit that they see to really enjoy giving their all for Spurs. Psychologically this could damage us, although if you could cherry pick one fixture to play after that you would say Wigan at home after a cup tie to get the backlash sorted out swiftly, and Redknapp could be the perfect man to get these players believing in all the positives from yesterday. He should also borrow from the Mourinho guidebook in making us believe that these grievances we might have should galvanise us, and not become a convenient excuse.

There's still a faint belief that we're still in the race for 1st, and if not then the race for 2nd is on because that would mean no Champs League qualifier, and to become a club with a title winning mentality you look up not down. Still gutted, but as proud as I've been of Tottenham in my lifetime.
Very well put Shelfie...
 
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A good 25mins from Bale apart from that he was one of the worst players on the pitch needs to stop the fancy flicks and get back to what he does best.
 

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A good 25mins from Bale apart from that he was one of the worst players on the pitch needs to stop the fancy flicks and get back to what he does best.
He was terrible first half, and his closing down was non existent in the build up to their first goal. When we went 2-0 down he decided to start playing and was looking a lot more hungry so I'm not surprised his performance increased significantly thereafter.
 
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