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A Hypothetical Story re Our Club and future transfers

whitestreak

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Dec 8, 2006
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When ENIC bought us from Sugar, we were nowhere and stuck.

Bearing that in mind Now we are IMHO the best run club in Europe, in terms of finances, has anyone stopped to think that just maybe, Joe Lewis, who happens to be our owner and one of the most consistently successful currency traders in the world has probably made money out of the stadium build rather than lost it, due to Brexit?

In other words forget for the moment the much misquoted rise in cost of building the project from 400 to 800m
That number if it exists, includes local authority and london transport infrastructure spend.
Joe Lewis and Tavistock have built many large projects around the world, FYI
http://www.tavistock.com/portfolio/

so you can take it as read, that their side of any project will NOT overrun on costs.

Next what would have happened if one of the worlds shrewdest currency traders got Brexit right, not wrong in terms of currency movements and planned for it?

In other words take the example of his football business where we must have one of the if not the lowest net spend of any top team in europe, it is obvious that the industry norms do not apply. That does not happen by accident.

Take that example and apply it to the business where our owner, made his fortune, and then say he does not manage his project at least as well as he runs his football team?

My guess is that he would do it a lot better, than anyone else in the world, after all this is now his core business, ie making money based on exchange rate fluctuations and managing risk, when managing, say a 400m pot.

My take is that Tavistock (Lewis) has already traded that 400m and made anything between a 200-400m profit (tax free in the bahamas over the time it will have taken to plan budget and build this stadium.
Furthermore the increase in revenue for higher league places, CL and EPL and increased tv money, will have further underpinned this project.

Any outside investment will be surplus profit, so naming rights NFL etc will be "bunce".
These guys are far too smart to make the same mistakes arsenal did.
We wont have a lot of lean years...?
Many people myself included have and will bitch and moan at the lack of ambition in any given window at the lack of that last couple of transfers ......that percieved lack of ambition....but look at the direction the club has headed in over the last 7 years and it is hard not to acknowledge the fact that we have been 2nd in the epl for a large part of the last 2 seasons. In spite of the limited resources we appear to have

What no one can say is that our financial performance has been anything short of miraculous and astonishing. It is this Business management where we are actually world class, off the pitch.

They saw what happened to arsenal they will not let that happen to us. People do not realise how rich we are!
we will make Man U look insignificant.

In the meantime we can rest assured, that there will be a transfer pot for the right players

This team effort applies as much to the running of the club off the pitch as it does on, Daniel Levy as Ferguson once said "Hes something different" we all know how tough and hard he is on transfers especially when dealing with transfers in the 10 -30m range, and the 100m € he got for Bale at the time was a robbery.

Stop................... think about that for minute.............. think how hard he must have been when negotiating a 400m contract and .......... in a double act with Joe Lewis!

I reckon we are a much tougher team of the pitch than we are on it, and that these days .........is saying something.

If my theory is right, within a couple of years we will be in the top 5 most valuable clubs in the world, with a team challenging for titles on every front, a world class training facility, a stadium bought and paid for with zero debt,

The reason that all this is important is that obviously the stadium is being built by the management off the pitch, and if they had a champions league for that ..................we would win it every year

Finally the our owners might get the recognition they deserve as this model is truly sustainable unlike chelsea and Man City


you never know the fans might start singing ..."We got Levy.......... Daniel ..........Daniel Levy"
Believe it or not in a way ..................... he is more important ON the pitch than Dele Ali
i reckon that Poch and his team must know this which is why they all want to be a part of it
We are the most exciting project in europe if not the world. Poch was the last piece in a complicated jigsaw.
He has a chance to be our Fergie and he knows it... whilst PSG may be tempting, I doubt he will go anywhere

Come on you spurs
 
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widmerpool

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Building contractors are run by professional negotiators. Football clubs are not. Commercial chiefs in football clubs are buoyed by a rising tide of money which covers most mistakes, and protected by the vast number of unknowns in their industry; it's not an environment which encourages world-class negotiating and risk management skills.

Levy looks good by comparison with his peers. That doesn't mean he's a genius when it comes to negotiating with building contractors, public authorities and banks.

Anyway, if he was going to have a song, it would be a revival of the Martin Jol "he's got no hair; we don't care" classic. Fits okay as long as Daniel has three syllables. Which it can, just about.
 
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ryantegan

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I dont really know whether your theory is correct. But for some reason I truly believe we will recover much quicker than Arsenal ever did and that most of the investment has already taken place.

But, I have nothing to back this up of course
 

whitestreak

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Dec 8, 2006
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Building contractors are run by professional negotiators. Football clubs are not. Commercial chiefs in football clubs are buoyed by a rising tide of money which covers most mistakes, and protected by the vast number of unknowns in their industry; it's not an environment which encourages world-class negotiating and risk management skills.

Levy looks good by comparison with his peers. That doesn't mean he's a genius when it comes to negotiating with building contractors, public authorities and banks.

Anyway, if he was going to have a song, it would be a revival of the Martin Jol "he's got no hair; we don't care" classic. Fits okay as long as Daniel has three syllables. Which it can, just about.


Weird I agree and disagree at the same time!...
First para I agree ...
2nd I don't as it is not just Levy I reckon that Lewis / Tavistock are geniuses when it comes to negotiating with banks public authorities and building contractors, and will pass most of the risk back to the contractors laying off the banking risk with hedges, and would eat most local government civil servants for breakfast!
Plus they I believe would have made huge profits from Brexit, this guy supposedly made more money than ~Soros
against the £!
Finally the song..you are probably right!
 

Tucker

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Jul 15, 2013
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There's a lot of supposition and guesswork here.

You're putting to x + y together and coming up with your dream result.

I agree that we are a very well run football club, and I also think we have a plan in place to help us recover from the stadium costs. But to try and bring brexit into this, and fantasise about it making us bigger than Manchester United is pretty ridiculous.
 

Nerine

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Jan 27, 2011
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In the last 10 years, Spurs have definitely been improving in pretty much every single aspect. We've had a couple of blips, but we aren't old Tottenham any more. The only thing that concerns me a little is keeping this current team for another 2-3 seasons whilst adding a few more players. If we were to lose one of our first team players, we already know we'd struggle. It seems to be that when our starting 11 is clicking, we'd beat anybody. I know other supporters of other clubs would say the same, but when we're on our game, we're a frightening prospect. For me, it's a case of keeping that together.

The off-pitch stuff is obviously taking care of itself and we are going about that with aplomb. In terms of progression, without being financially doped like Chelsea, City etc, I think we have progressed more than any team in the league, and long may that continue.

It seems we are becoming a global brand. All of our branding is now very distinct and cohesive. I've also noticed our score updates on twitter and Facebook etc, and I'm noticing a slight "American" feel to it. Seems we are really trying to grow in those markets. The alliance with the NFL etc is also another area in which we are probably expecting will raise our profile in America.

Either way, I'm very content with Spurs currently. Some trophies would be nice, but generally, if we continue this upwards trend, I think in another few years, we'll be permanently a part of the "top 4" and a major player in Europe. It's all seemingly starting to fall into place for us.

Almost like there was a plan all along....
 

DogsOfWar

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Jan 12, 2005
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For me we need to carry on focusing on a top class u21 team made up of academy graduates and players bought in from the lower leagues for those positions where the academy can't provide.

This team is then used as 2nd/3rd choice players for the first team. I'd like to have seen us picking up Oliver Burke, Lookman, M. Dembele last season, Sessegnon this one to go with Winks, Onomah, CCV, Edwards etc.

We need to keep this conveyor belt of talent moving, the financial gamble is lower, the potential return higher, and if we can uncover top talents it will offset our inability to attract the top level of players in the game due to financial constraints.
And from a fans perspective it feels as if these players are more connected to the club and, therefore, us.
 

danielneeds

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May 5, 2004
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I'm sure Levy, and his mentor Lewis will have learned a lot of lessons from the Emirates. We have definitely been squirreling away some of the new TV money towards the stadium in the last few years.

But the fact is these are a lot more challenging times than when Arsenal built their stadium. It's naive to think we won't have to cut our cloth accordingly.
 

Lou3000

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May 28, 2014
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In the last 10 years, Spurs have definitely been improving in pretty much every single aspect. We've had a couple of blips, but we aren't old Tottenham any more. The only thing that concerns me a little is keeping this current team for another 2-3 seasons whilst adding a few more players. If we were to lose one of our first team players, we already know we'd struggle. It seems to be that when our starting 11 is clicking, we'd beat anybody. I know other supporters of other clubs would say the same, but when we're on our game, we're a frightening prospect. For me, it's a case of keeping that together.

The off-pitch stuff is obviously taking care of itself and we are going about that with aplomb. In terms of progression, without being financially doped like Chelsea, City etc, I think we have progressed more than any team in the league, and long may that continue.

It seems we are becoming a global brand. All of our branding is now very distinct and cohesive. I've also noticed our score updates on twitter and Facebook etc, and I'm noticing a slight "American" feel to it. Seems we are really trying to grow in those markets. The alliance with the NFL etc is also another area in which we are probably expecting will raise our profile in America.

Either way, I'm very content with Spurs currently. Some trophies would be nice, but generally, if we continue this upwards trend, I think in another few years, we'll be permanently a part of the "top 4" and a major player in Europe. It's all seemingly starting to fall into place for us.

Almost like there was a plan all along....

Recently I saw that Bayern considers NOT selling Ribery for a huge fee as the turning point for the club. I hope we're doing the same.

Our players are young, and I'm always concerned that an offseason (after another campaign where we fall just short) will see Dele or Eriksen or Rose or Walker leave. Both have been smart and measured in their career, but there have certainly been suitors. A bit of disappointment could encourage them towards the door and then the entire landscape changes.

We also have to consider our wage structure being an impediment.

Levy may be a genius or he may have benefitted from a very fortuitous situation. A lot of smart young transfers together for 2-3 years that haven't yet reached the point where their market value dwarfs what we pay them. Dele, Dier, Eriksen, Kane, Toby, Walker and Rose could all probably demand upwards of £150k a week at bigger clubs.

I just hope we are able to hold it together until we feel comfortable paying bigger wages and/or win something.
 

Flashspur

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Jul 28, 2012
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Lovely read...if it was only so (y)

I think an assumption that Levy and Lewis foresaw Brexit is a long bow. Brexit caught everyone by surprise. Putting in a derivative instrument to protect you against currency fluctuations is expensive. You don't manage downside risk for free. However if they got it right - they would have made a huge amount of money. But that's a big if. Hope you are right. I've been Spurs since I was a 5 year old - its been a long time between drinks. I'd love to see a CL or even a PL win for us before I die of what ever the good Lord has in store for me. All I can say is that the next 5-7 years is going to be an interesting ride.
 

Roynie

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Oct 2, 2007
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When ENIC bought us from Sugar, we were nowhere and stuck.

Bearing that in mind Now we are IMHO the best run club in Europe, in terms of finances, has anyone stopped to think that just maybe, Joe Lewis, who happens to be our owner and one of the most consistently successful currency traders in the world has probably made money out of the stadium build rather than lost it, due to Brexit?

In other words forget for the moment the much misquoted rise in cost of building the project from 400 to 800m
That number if it exists, includes local authority and london transport infrastructure spend.
Joe Lewis and Tavistock have built many large projects around the world, FYI
http://www.tavistock.com/portfolio/

so you can take it as read, that their side of any project will NOT overrun on costs.

Next what would have happened if one of the worlds shrewdest currency traders got Brexit right, not wrong in terms of currency movements and planned for it?

In other words take the example of his football business where we must have one of the if not the lowest net spend of any top team in europe, it is obvious that the industry norms do not apply. That does not happen by accident.

Take that example and apply it to the business where our owner, made his fortune, and then say he does not manage his project at least as well as he runs his football team?

My guess is that he would do it a lot better, than anyone else in the world, after all this is now his core business, ie making money based on exchange rate fluctuations and managing risk, when managing, say a 400m pot.

My take is that Tavistock (Lewis) has already traded that 400m and made anything between a 200-400m profit (tax free in the bahamas over the time it will have taken to plan budget and build this stadium.
Furthermore the increase in revenue for higher league places, CL and EPL and increased tv money, will have further underpinned this project.

Any outside investment will be surplus profit, so naming rights NFL etc will be "bunce".
These guys are far too smart to make the same mistakes arsenal did.
We wont have a lot of lean years...?
Many people myself included have and will bitch and moan at the lack of ambition in any given window at the lack of that last couple of transfers ......that percieved lack of ambition....but look at the direction the club has headed in over the last 7 years and it is hard not to acknowledge the fact that we have been 2nd in the epl for a large part of the last 2 seasons. In spite of the limited resources we appear to have

What no one can say is that our financial performance has been anything short of miraculous and astonishing. It is this Business management where we are actually world class, off the pitch.

They saw what happened to arsenal they will not let that happen to us. People do not realise how rich we are!
we will make Man U look insignificant.

In the meantime we can rest assured, that there will be a transfer pot for the right players

This team effort applies as much to the running of the club off the pitch as it does on, Daniel Levy as Ferguson once said "Hes something different" we all know how tough and hard he is on transfers especially when dealing with transfers in the 10 -30m range, and the 100m € he got for Bale at the time was a robbery.

Stop................... think about that for minute.............. think how hard he must have been when negotiating a 400m contract and .......... in a double act with Joe Lewis!

I reckon we are a much tougher team of the pitch than we are on it, and that these days .........is saying something.

If my theory is right, within a couple of years we will be in the top 5 most valuable clubs in the world, with a team challenging for titles on every front, a world class training facility, a stadium bought and paid for with zero debt,

The reason that all this is important is that obviously the stadium is being built by the management off the pitch, and if they had a champions league for that ..................we would win it every year

Finally the our owners might get the recognition they deserve as this model is truly sustainable unlike chelsea and Man City


you never know the fans might start singing ..."We got Levy.......... Daniel ..........Daniel Levy"
Believe it or not in a way ..................... he is more important ON the pitch than Dele Ali
i reckon that Poch and his team must know this which is why they all want to be a part of it
We are the most exciting project in europe if not the world. Poch was the last piece in a complicated jigsaw.
He has a chance to be our Fergie and he knows it... whilst PSG may be tempting, I doubt he will go anywhere

Come on you spurs

Thanks Daniel! :p
 
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