Adebayor and Defoe

[Brewster]

Ive been thinking of the times they have played upfront together and i seem to remember us creating alot more chances when they do, im not sure how you'd go about getting any kind of stats about chances created, total goals scored and win percentage etc when they play together versus Adebayor on his own. Anyone have any ideas?

 

[adamthfc]

Ade looks better alongside defoe. Love rafa but he does

 

[Reado]

Agree, this was our combination when Adebayor first joined, think Rafa was out injured. We were creating chances and they were both scoring.

If we play that though, what do we do formation wise? Rafa out on the right where he doesn't like playing, drop him all together?

 

[adamthfc]

Agree, this was our combination when Adebayor first joined, think Rafa was out injured. We were creating chances and they were both scoring.

If we play that though, what do we do formation wise? Rafa out on the right where he doesn't like playing, drop him all together?

Difficult one cuz for me the rafa ade partnership Hasn't worked how we hoped.obviously we have still been gettingResults but they haven't clicked for me at all and ade struggles alongside rafa

 

[yusrisafri]

been saying all along. Cant blame Defoe if he wants to leave. At least Harry shouldve played him from the start last ngiht and rested VDV for City. Harry didnt have the balls to drop Rafa when hes not injured, thats the problem.

 

[adamthfc]

been saying all along. Cant blame Defoe if he wants to leave. At least Harry shouldve played him from the start last ngiht and rested VDV for City. Harry didnt have the balls to drop Rafa when hes not injured, thats the problem.

The partnership looked really good and it wasn't allowed to develop we've done well though So its hard to criticise bit they arnt a duo for me

 

[Brewster]

2 games off the top of my head where i remember they played well and we had loads of chances were West Brom away where our lineup was:


Tottenham
24 Friedel
03 Bale
04 Kaboul
26 King
28 Walker
32 Assou-Ekotto
07 Lennon
08 Parker
30 Sandroyellow card (Livermore 80)
10 Adebayor
18 Defoe

and Liverpool at home where our lineup was:

24 Friedel
03 Bale
04 Kaboul
26 King (Bassong 83)
28 Walker
32 Assou-Ekotto
08 Parker
14 Modric
21 Kranjcar (Van der Vaart 46)
10 Adebayoryellow card
18 Defoe (Giovani 83)

So theres variations there, i.e with and without Lennon and VDV...I think we should play Adebayor and Defoe first choice...Lennon can be an impact sub. Harsh but we seem to play our best football when A+D are together.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

2 games off the top of my head where i remember they played well and we had loads of chances were West Brom away where our lineup was:


Tottenham
24 Friedel
03 Bale
04 Kaboul
26 King
28 Walker
32 Assou-Ekotto
07 Lennon
08 Parker
30 Sandroyellow card (Livermore 80)
10 Adebayor
18 Defoe

and Liverpool at home where our lineup was:

24 Friedel
03 Bale
04 Kaboul
26 King (Bassong 83)
28 Walker
32 Assou-Ekotto
08 Parker
14 Modric
21 Kranjcar (Van der Vaart 46)
10 Adebayoryellow card
18 Defoe (Giovani 83)

So theres variations there, i.e with and without Lennon and VDV...I think we should play Adebayor and Defoe first choice...Lennon can be an impact sub. Harsh but we seem to play our best football when A+D are together.

Lots of games when they didn't play together and we created chances and played well. And we were poor against West Brom for much of that game and Liverpool were chasing a game with 9 men so we were always going to make chances.

Ridiculous knee jerk thread after one game we fail to win. Defoe doesn't create much at all, he barely touches the ball most games, so how you think he'll aid the creation of chances is beyond me.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

He completed two passes today and shot straight at the goalkeeper. What more do you want? He's got a new agent and this new agent's been on the blower to Danny Boy to crack his nuts. Let him go to QPR. Sparky's building an empire.

 

[Brewster]

Lots of games when they didn't play together and we created chances and played well. And we were poor against West Brom for much of that game and Liverpool were chasing a game with 9 men so we were always going to make chances.

Ridiculous knee jerk thread after one game we fail to win. Defoe doesn't create much at all, he barely touches the ball most games, so how you think he'll aid the creation of chances is beyond me.

It's not knee jerk atall, i've just noticed we tend to struggle more to create chances without the A+D partnership. Against West Brom AWAY we wern't bad? We only let them have 5 shots and should have scored about 7.

You cant argue with Defoes scoring record this season, when he plays, he usually scores, and when he starts we usually have more chances. Im just suggesting that perhaps we should give the partnership a chance because we tend to do well with it. Newcastle away is another example.

 

[Chinaspur]

Not a knee jerk at all. It's been obvious for a while that our team doesn't score enough.

We dominate teams but haven't filled our boots since Liverpool.

So often someone breaks at pace and looks into the box and there is either Ade or no-one there. We are becoming what Arsenal have been... pretty football which tries to walk the ball into the net. Defoe is the opposite of this and would compliment our team.

Obviously BC doesn't see the value of Defoe as he looks at passing stats. But Torres at Liverpool had worse passing stats than Defoe (Torres' passing stats have gone up at Chelsea - so he's clearly been playing much better in a blue shirt :duh. Hernandez has worse passing stats.

Defoe's goal scoring record in the league this season is impressive, a goal every 100 minutes - miles better than anyone else. We need someone to put the ball in the net. It's not rocket science.

 

[Cravenspurs]

I just wonder where those headers from Ade are? If I recall correctly he scored two against us with Real. I would like to see him attack the ball more on corners and crosses. But the combo has looked interesting.

 

[Black]

lol@ this thread, such a knee jerk

 

[tototoner]

Only if we play 2 out and out forwards up front, which we don't tend to do much.

Defoe scores goals yes, but his overall production and influence is pretty poor compared to the likes of Modric, Bale, Lennon and Van Der Vaart.

 

[Legacy]

Not a knee jerk at all. It's been obvious for a while that our team doesn't score enough.

We dominate teams but haven't filled our boots since Liverpool.

Only Man City (56), Man Utd (52) and Chelsea (40) have scored more goals than Spurs (39) this season.

If you wanted to factor in Adebayor's three wrongly disallowed goals, that'd put us on 42 and an average of two goals a game.

We also have the most shots on goal this season, although I can't find the actual stat at the moment. But we have missed a great deal of absolute sitters that a more clinical player would've buried.

And the two players most guilty of that are Adebayor and Defoe.

We create plenty of chances, a lot of optimistic half chances, but more than our fair share of clear cut opportunities too. We don't have a problem with creating goal scoring positions, we have a problem with just sticking the ball in the net.

Which is exactly why we need a prolific goal scorer at the club. A player like Demba Ba would score 25+ goals a year in our current team.

 

[Krafty]

It's more to do with VDV than Defoe. Rafa isn't linking up with Adebayor the same way he linked up with Crouch, which isn't a bad thing because it indicates we aren't hitting long as much, but the last two or three months Van der Vaart has been coming awfully deep to get on the ball. Its leaving Adebayor isolated, and when something does fall in the box we often don't have enough men in there.

It also slows down our play against sides that are sticking eleven men behind the ball. They will be delighted to see Rafa on the ball in his own half - I would instruct the dutchman to be more of a striker and help Adebayor press the oppositions centre backs. That drags the whole team forward, allows us to exploit errors quicker and forces the opposition to abandon their shape as they panic to deal with the ball.

Its not so much that Defoe brings more out of Adebayor, more that a second striker provides the opposition with more problems. I thought yesterdays game was the ideal opportunity to play Defoe, up top with Adebayor.

 

[Chinaspur]

Only Man City (56), Man Utd (52) and Chelsea (40) have scored more goals than Spurs (39) this season. so we're nearly a goal a game behind the two teams we want to be challenging.

If you wanted to factor in Adebayor's three wrongly disallowed goals, that'd put us on 42 and an average of two goals a game. I'm sure they haven't had any disallowed goals themselves :roll:

We also have the most shots on goal this season, although I can't find the actual stat at the moment. But we have missed a great deal of absolute sitters that a more clinical player would've buried.

And the two players most guilty of that are Adebayor and Defoe. missing sitters? I can't think of one that Defoe has missed this season - Bale and Modders have missed some notable opportunities

We create plenty of chances, a lot of optimistic half chances, but more than our fair share of clear cut opportunities too. We don't have a problem with creating goal scoring positions, we have a problem with just sticking the ball in the net. so we need a goal scorer :stupid:

Which is exactly why we need a prolific goal scorer at the club. one who scores at the rate of a goal every 100 minutes perhaps? :bang: A player like Demba Ba would score 25+ goals a year in our current team. at his current goalscoring rate Defoe would score 30+ given a full season...:shrug:

:hello:

 

[rabbikeane]

Defoe's goals per minutes played ratio before yesterdays game was 108,
that's better than Berbatov ended up with as top scorer last season.
Must admit we're not getting the most out of Defoe's best form of his career.
Especially feel we could use him more in games we're favourites to win and expected to dominate.

 

[DJS]

If you want Defoe in the team than VDV has to be dropped as you can't fit them both in without seriously damaging the shape / defensive side of the team.

But I'm not sure I would want to drop VDV myself, although his goals have dried up a wee bit at the mo and he needs to stay further up the field.

 

[rabbikeane]

VDV and Defoe brings different things to the game,
and some games fit one more than the other.