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Adebayor needs to be dropped.

Bobbins

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Trying telling that to Coyboy. Jesus, good luck lol

In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

He will never see what he doesn't want to see, so it's pointless even presenting the option.
 

Bobbins

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But he's the same player with the same strengths and weaknesses as before. I haven't had a run in the current team yet but I know that I shouldn't come in to replace Adebayor. Kane for example has taken his chances at lower level games. Soldado hasn't.

I say 'provide evidence'. You say 'I don't have to'. I say 'well fine I disagree where there is no evidence'. You say 'open your eyes'.

Well which is it? Is there evidence that suggests Soldado will do better than Ade or not? If there is, where is it? If not, then then it's just wishful thinking and conjecture isn't it?

You say 'Ade just ambles around'. I say no he doesn't giving clear examples of what he has done this year, avoiding the no go area of last season, God forbid. You descend into petty 'lols'.

I don't care what most people think. The opinion of the masses is irrelevant here. I don't see the argument for replacing Ade with Soldado and you just making petty jibes isn't going to change that.

You haven't been the highest goal scorer in la liga behind Ronaldo and Messi for several years, that's why you don't get a chance. Absolutely moronic thing to say. Kane has done brilliantly, but how you're dismissing Soldado as having not taken his chance is mental - he's scored twice and got two assists in a couple of cup games playing inferior opposition but also playing in a far inferior team than Ade. What does he have to do for you to take his chance? He was even out injured for several games, otherwise no doubt he'd have got more goals and assists.

And your straw man argument of demanding evidence when you know full well that's almost impossible to provide when talking about overall playing form without editing match videos is laughable. When you were presented with the best evidence available - namely the universally-agreed improvement in our attacking football against City, at the very heart of which was the touch, movement and close-range quick passing of Soldado with the three league team attackers who we want him to get a chance with, you wrote it off as City allowing us to have more space and time in some fantasy where City completely changed their normal playing style just to unleash Super-aguero on us.

You can't have it both ways. You can't write off someone's points by demanding evidence, and then write the evidence off when it's provided because it dumps your argument in the ditch.
 

Shanks

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I like Ade as a player. Not entirely sure on his influence on those around him, but I'll never know that.

However, things aren't going particularly well for the team as a whole, and we can't score goals. We can't seem to set up chances much either, so if they aren't going in for Ade (which he seems to take his chances on), give the others a go.

I'd like to see Soldado and Kane given a go, but I'd like to see Ade bang in the goals too.


Pretty much on the fence I guess.
 

spursfan77

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I wouldn't have him anywhere near the team. He isn't reliable, is lazy and isn't a team player. We can't afford to have our main striker being those things.

Personally I believe he should have been sold when he fell out with and embarrassed avb but levy was too weak and backed the player over the manager.
 

Coyboy

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You haven't been the highest goal scorer in la liga behind Ronaldo and Messi for several years, that's why you don't get a chance. Absolutely moronic thing to say. Kane has done brilliantly, but how you're dismissing Soldado as having not taken his chance is mental - he's scored twice and got two assists in a couple of cup games playing inferior opposition but also playing in a far inferior team than Ade. What does he have to do for you to take his chance? He was even out injured for several games, otherwise no doubt he'd have got more goals and assists.

And your straw man argument of demanding evidence when you know full well that's almost impossible to provide when talking about overall playing form without editing match videos is laughable. When you were presented with the best evidence available - namely the universally-agreed improvement in our attacking football against City, at the very heart of which was the touch, movement and close-range quick passing of Soldado with the three league team attackers who we want him to get a chance with, you wrote it off as City allowing us to have more space and time in some fantasy where City completely changed their normal playing style just to unleash Super-aguero on us.

You can't have it both ways. You can't write off someone's points by demanding evidence, and then write the evidence off when it's provided because it dumps your argument in the ditch.

No but it's called reductio ad absurdum. I appreciate he did well in Spain but as I said ten pages ago, I'm not convinced he can bring that to England. The 'far inferior team' argument works both ways. He was playing for and against inferior teams, possibly. What did he have to do? Candidly, play better. Against Forest and Beskitas he was awful. He scored against the former yes, but so did Ade on Saturday.

I appreciate we had our moments against City and Soldado was very much part of that but we still lost the game 4-1 and as a team I don't think we were sufficiently better to justify replacing Adebayor. There is reason to suggest we would have been as good if he were in the team.

You still haven't shown where I apparently implied he has never scored goals and the other stupid shit you came out with.
 

yido_number1

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I wouldn't have him anywhere near the team. He isn't reliable, is lazy and isn't a team player. We can't afford to have our main striker being those things.

Personally I believe he should have been sold when he fell out with and embarrassed avb but levy was too weak and backed the player over the manager.

Or no one wanted him and he wouldn't leave?
 

Mr Pink

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But he's the same player with the same strengths and weaknesses as before. I haven't had a run in the current team yet but I know that I shouldn't come in to replace Adebayor. Kane for example has taken his chances at lower level games. Soldado hasn't.

I say 'provide evidence'. You say 'I don't have to'. I say 'well fine I disagree where there is no evidence'. You say 'open your eyes'.

Well which is it? Is there evidence that suggests Soldado will do better than Ade or not? If there is, where is it? If not, then then it's just wishful thinking and conjecture isn't it?

You say 'Ade just ambles around'. I say no he doesn't giving clear examples of what he has done this year, avoiding the no go area of last season, God forbid. You descend into petty 'lols'.

I don't care what most people think. The opinion of the masses is irrelevant here. I don't see the argument for replacing Ade with Soldado and you just making petty jibes isn't going to change that.

You're just being argumentative in the extreme regarding this evidence point. I can't reel off assists and goals in the League this season for Soldado because he hasn't had the chance to prove himself in that respect yet - in the current team.

The only evidence I can bring up is what I've seen, and for the tenth fecking time, its subjective - what impresses me might not impress you as much and you may not see the potential the same way I would, but that's my personal evidence for wanting him to start. And its clearly impressed plenty of other people to.

I mean seriously, i can't believe how many times I've had to explain that to you.
 

Coyboy

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You're just being argumentative in the extreme regarding this evidence point. I can't reel off assists and goals in the League this season for Soldado because he hasn't had the chance to prove himself in that respect yet - in the current team.

The only evidence I can bring up is what I've seen, and for the tenth fecking time, its subjective - what impresses me might not impress you as much and you may not see the potential that I am, but that's my personal evidence for wanting him to start. And its clearly impressed plenty of other people to.

I mean seriously, i can't believe how many times I've had to explain that to you.

Fine well then accept that I disagree with the idea that Soldado has done enough to warrant a place in the team without descending into petty remarks and points scoring.
 

Coyboy

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Ok.


































You're wrong though.

Prove it :)

Look I hope I'm wrong. I take issue with these stupid remarks that I refuse to see his worh or worse, will not credit him if he does well. Of course I will. I just don't hold out much expectation and don't see the good things that he does do (which I've acknowledged more than once) as enough.

If he plays on Sunday I will support him just as I have every other player who has worn a Spurs shirt and if he does well I will credit him as I've done with everyone from Doherty to Bale.

I will be flying on Sunday when the game is on. So when he scores a hatrick, I won't be hiding. I'll happily come on here and eat humble pie.
 

longtimespur

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IMHO Ade has had one good season, when on loan to us, and a couple of months last season. The rest of the time he seems to be very hot and cold, just playing when he feels like it.
I may be wrong but is he good enough for our ambitions?
 

Mr Pink

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Prove it :)

Look I hope I'm wrong. I take issue with these stupid remarks that I refuse to see his worh or worse, will not credit him if he does well. Of course I will. I just don't hold out much expectation and don't see the good things that he does do (which I've acknowledged more than once) as enough.

If he plays on Sunday I will support him just as I have every other player who has worn a Spurs shirt and if he does well I will credit him as I've done with everyone from Doherty to Bale.

I will be flying on Sunday when the game is on. So when he scores a hatrick, I won't be hiding. I'll happily come on here and eat humble pie.

We all just want the best for the team at the end of the day, just have different views on how we achieve it.

Nothing wrong with that.

If Ade starts I'll be hoping he ups his game - from my perspective of course.
 

Jamturk

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IMHO Ade has had one good season, when on loan to us, and a couple of months last season. The rest of the time he seems to be very hot and cold, just playing when he feels like it.
I may be wrong but is he good enough for our ambitions?

Lol

Is the club good enough for your ambitions.
 

longtimespur

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Lol

Is the club good enough for your ambitions.

We are where we are atm.
If we want to improve then our playing staff need to as well.

I've been lucky enough to see Spurs being the top club in the country
and that would be my ambition for our club again.

Are we near that level? Not atm IMO but I'm hopeful as ever.:happy:
 

YiddoInPoland

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Just watched highlights of last nights match. The assist for Lamela was beautiful, the weight was perfect.

Succeed or not here there is a very skilled footballer in Soldado, shame AVB may have ruined him :(
 

nightgoat

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Just watched highlights of last nights match. The assist for Lamela was beautiful, the weight was perfect.

Succeed or not here there is a very skilled footballer in Soldado, shame AVB may have ruined him :(

At least he played him and didn't banish him to the bench as soon as he scored.
 

Baan

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I think Adebayor on his day is a fantatsic striker, not many can argue with that.He has clearly not had any of his days recently though and despite his goal, which we must credit him for, he was very very poor against Newcastle, including a ridiculous mis-control in the build up to the goal!

It is also impossible to argue that Soldado has set the world alight and this is obviously not what @Mr Pink is trying to do. While our strikers are underperforming we must play the one who will allow the rest of the players to up their performance or go with who is in form. Kane has shown he is in form, but I still argue he is best playing behind a striker. Soldado to me has clearly exhibited better passing, link up play and vision in comparison and therefore feel he can allow our attacks to be more fluid and bring more out of Eriksen and Lamela. I aslo believe that Mason would be more productive pushing up with Soldado up front.

The way Lamela and Eriksen play, in my opinion, is hampered by Adebayors positioning, link up play and movement to get the ball to feet.

Soldado to start for me. Perhaps with Kane replacing one of the 3 AMs, probably Chadli although I think he's been decent this season.
I totally agree with you.
Chadli has made great goal and one of our best scorer.
However that's all he did, his performance wasn't really good enough for us.
If he can replaced by Kane, we can have

Soldado

Kane Eriksen Lamela

Link up will be outstanding.
 
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